Carling Cup 2nd Round [including West Ham vs Millwall violence]

ghouldaddy07

I blame Danny Dyer for this, funny that some dutch hooliganism show is on the same day as this game.

Eire-Dearg

It's a pity Danny Dyer hasn't been thrown into the middle of it all.

Bandit12

Disgraceful. Reports of running battles outside the ground. FA needs to come down like a ton of bricks on the idiot fans and the clubs.

ynwa_17

Throw the book at the two clubs. Unacceptable

OPENROAD

ynwa_17 wrote: »

Throw the book at the two clubs. Unacceptable

Why the clubs?

Throw the book at those who are identified by cctv.

Bandit12

Nothing on Sky News about this? Very strange.

String

Bandit12 wrote: »

Nothing on Sky News about this? Very strange.

Try sky sports news

Eire-Dearg

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

It's a pity Danny Dyer hasn't been thrown into the middle of it all.

Lol, he's on Tv3 at the min.

just gone to ads...

Eire-Dearg

They had it at around 10:10PM.

KevIRL

Shocking pictures on SSN of the carry on inside the ground. West Ham will get hit hard for this.

OPENROAD

Bandit12 wrote: »

Nothing on Sky News about this? Very strange.

They have had reports on it most of the night.

ynwa_17

Bandit12 wrote: »

Nothing on Sky News about this? Very strange.

Was just on ssn

Terrible scenes.

Its on sky news now

Why the clubs?

Throw the book at those who are identified by cctv.

Because the clubs ultimately are responsible for their fans actions and we'll see them both punished heavily i'd imagine.

ghouldaddy07

OPENROAD wrote: »

Why the clubs?

Throw the book at those who are identified by cctv.

Unfortunitly I think punishing the clubs is the only way to go.

when that little gob****e celtic fan stormed the pitch against a.c milan, all the other celtic fans turned against when the club was threatened with punishment.

A handfull of these arseholes getting identifyed and banned from games wont stop this from occuring, but maybe turning the entire fan base against them will.

LowOdour

Dont think the west ham scorers helped the situation with their celebrations...Zola should have given instuctions for them to walk back to the center circle.

Easier said that done i suppose...im yet to score in a professional match so im sure the buzz takes over

Bandit12

OPENROAD wrote: »

They have had reports on it most of the night.

Nothing on for the last half hour. Don't have SSN. Either way very sad stuff.

The Muppet

LowOdour wrote: »

Dont think the west ham scorers helped the situation with their celebrations...Zola should have given instuctions for them to walk back to the center circle.

Easier said that done i suppose...im yet to score in a professional match so im sure the buzz takes over

People who get irked by players celebrating goals have no place in a football stadium.

OPENROAD

ghouldaddy07 wrote: »

Unfortunitly I think punishing the clubs is the only way to go.

when that little gob****e celtic fan stormed the pitch against a.c milan, all the other celtic fans turned against when the club was threatened with punishment.

A handfull of these arseholes getting identifyed and banned from games wont stop this from occuring, but maybe turning the entire fan base against them will.

True

SlickRic

ok i've just seen it.

utterly deplorable, and both clubs need, i stress need ,to be smacked in the nuts for this.

they give proper football fans an horrendous name.

OPENROAD

Bandit12 wrote: »

Nothing on for the last half hour. Don't have SSN

Their was report about 15 mins ago,and they have been covering it from time to time all night.

Bandit12

OPENROAD wrote: »

Their was report about 15 mins ago,and they have been covering it from time to time all night.

Okay so. I must have missed that.Thanks

therecklessone

The Muppet wrote: »

People who get irked by players celebrating goals have no place in a football stadium.

Tom, celebrating a goal in front of Millwall fans is like flicking lit matches into a powderkeg...not very smart behaviour, and he should get his wrists smacked for it.

Eire-Dearg

West Ham players should've been more thoughtful with their celebrations.

Think they were deliberate?

stovelid

I regret tonight with all my heart. The consequences could be devastating.

The texts are probably already flying between Cass Pennant, Frank Harper, Danny Dyer and Guy Ritchie about a new film.

ghouldaddy07

Bandit12

What a bunch of losers in those pictures.

Eire-Dearg

The lad in the suit in the second pic looks familiar. Any ideas?

Mmcd

therecklessone wrote: »

Tom, celebrating a goal in front of Millwall fans is like flicking lit matches into a powderkeg...not very smart behaviour, and he should get his wrists smacked for it.

It may have been stupid but he did nothing wrong, I cant see him getting in any trouble!

therecklessone

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

The lad in the suit in the second pic looks familiar. Any ideas?

Looks like Owen Coyle?

therecklessone

Mmcd wrote: »

It may have been stupid but he did nothing wrong, I cant see him getting in any trouble!

Players are booked for taking their shirts off (for provocation), there's loads they could do though whether they have the balls to do so is another matter.

ghouldaddy07

Players should be alowd to celebrate regardless of the oppostition. I doubt any of those morons in the crowd needed any provocation.

ShamoBuc

I remember a few years ago I was at Upton Park for a night match. I've been to many a football ground but I certainly felt there was a section of the crowd that made me feel a little uneasy. Add to that the sheer hatred between the Milwall 'fans' and the Hammers and tonight was always going to kick off. Closing the nearest tube station meant more fans were on the streets further away from the ground, further away from the CCtv, the ploice etc, thought it was a strange move.

stovelid

It's provocative to celebrate, but ever since the draw was made, this was coming anyway.

Especially as their chances to meet are so few these days.

orourkeda

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090825/tuk-violence-breaks-out-at-soccer-match-6323e80.html

pokerface_me

Sad day for football, nothing but scumbags.:mad:

Bandit12

Dark day for football. seen some of the footage now on BBC..Shocking stuff.

Bandit12

Horrible horrible stuff. Thought these days where gone.:(

dfx-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209028/BREAKING-NEWS-Man-stabbed-West-Ham-Millwall-fans-brawl-outside-stadium.html

That end of Upton Park is a warren outside isn't it? Plenty of places where ticket-less Millwall fans could meet some like-minded Wham fans..

Those on the pitch probably haven't been inside the ground for a million years but were attracted to this match and got tickets somehow, so harsh to punish the clubs...

Diabhal Beag

There are always stupid scumbags who try to look hard. I don't think any amount of police can stop stupidity from occurring.

OPENROAD

Bandit12 wrote: »

Horrible horrible stuff. Thought these days where gone.:(

They have mostly in England, though other parts of Europe it is still a problem more regularly.

Headshot

OPENROAD wrote: »

They have mostly in England, though other parts of Europe it is still a problem more regularly.

yap Poland is very bad

Eire-Dearg

Think you're better off editing the thread title....oh never mind.

OPENROAD

Headshot wrote: »

yap Poland is very bad

Anyone see the Ross Kemp on ganges episode on hooliganism in Eastern Europe :eek:

stovelid

dfx- wrote: »

Those on the pitch probably haven't been inside the ground for a million years

I doubt they'll be in again once they sift through the CCTV footage.

OPENROAD

stovelid wrote: »

I doubt they'll be in again once they sift through the CCTV footage.

CCTV footage will be excellent and they will be identified, may not be in the nxt week or two but expect police raids to take place over the next month or two.

therecklessone

dfx- wrote: »

Those on the pitch probably haven't been inside the ground for a million years but were attracted to this match and got tickets somehow, so harsh to punish the clubs...

I would say that is less likely, this game is the holy grail for many West Ham fans, and there is no chance the club allowed this game go to general sale. On top of that, anybody with a current banning order wouldn't have had a hope of getting in.

I'd say the majority of the pitch invaders are regulars at the Boelyn.

stovelid

OPENROAD wrote: »

CCTV footage will be excellent and they will be identified, may not be in the nxt week or two but expect police raids to take place over the next month or two.

I assume they were locked or plain dumb.

Judging by the glimpse of Sky I've just got, a lot have not even got their faces covered.

Will be some hefty bans heading out after that.

OPENROAD

therecklessone wrote: »

I would say that is less likely, this game is the holy grail for many West Ham fans, and there is no chance the club allowed this game go to general sale. On top of that, anybody with a current banning order wouldn't have had a hope of getting in.

I'd say the majority of the pitch invaders are regulars at the Boelyn.

The amount of tickets that end of in the hands of touts though is unbelievable, come out of any tube station on match days,the amount of times I'm approached to buy or sell tickets,how they haven't cracked down on this yet is unbelievable and swipe cards have not helped to sort out this problem.

String

therecklessone wrote: »

I'd say the majority of the pitch invaders are regulars at the Boelyn.

nope the majority are people going to get langers and have a fight and not football fans but football hooligans

therecklessone

DrMorphine wrote: »

nope the majority are people going to get langers and have a fight and not football fans but football hooligans

With all due respect, there is nothing you've said there that preludes them also attending games on a regular basis.

Anyone who clings to the claim that people involved in crowd disorder at football games are not real fans is deluding themselves. I'm sure if OPENROAD has been in the away section at White Hart Lane he can attest to the venomous atmosphere post-game as the home fans stream past the away entrance and the Arsenal fans await their escort. We don't get a couple of thousand day trippers over for an off, they are regular fans who go week in, week out.

I've seen the same replicated at West Ham, Chelsea, Man Utd, Boro, I've mised Stoke, Burnley and Cardiff cos of personal reasons...I've heard of similar at Birmingham, Villa, Pompey, Wolves.

I know one or two lads to see from Spurs, and I can count the number of games they miss a season on one hand.

Het-Field

I wouldnt be suprised if the major hooligan element was out and around the vicinity of Upton Park, without coming within an asses roar of the Boylen.

I had a wonderful weekend (in spite of the result ) when they took on Spurs last sunday. It was great to re-engage with the club, and it is highly regrettable to see such activity tonight.

What went on inside the ground is apparently nothing in comparison to what took place outside the ground. Most of those wouldnt be football fans at all, and were there for the fight.