Increase in number enrolling for priesthood.

lmaopml

I feel like being a bully....me being a Catholic and all it must come natural to me...That just about sums up every Catholic..:pac:

Thank goodness I'm in decline, and all the other Catholics too..

Really...




There has been a very 'slight' increase in numbers for the Priesthood don't take it as a personal insult when the op never meant it that way in the first place, and it's not exactly a revolution either, that's just self unmasking and evident vitriol....

Not very nice really.

gigino

lmaopml wrote: »

I feel like being a bully.....

Please do'nt. There have been enough of them already.

lmaopml

Maybe when you reach 1000, you might feel the need to dismount and drink water while you carry your burden of absolute perfectness while on high up there mounted on your perfectdom - A heavy load for sure!

gigino the brave, the courageous thread dismantler on a mission, to sway every single thread and call the brave to unite..

nite

ISAW

gigino wrote: »

I can't mind read the vast majority of Catholics either ... but thank God nowadays people are less easily bullied / abused, and the vast majority of Catholics now reject the RCC teachings on at least some matters eg contraception.

In fact Catholics accept the position on condoms and AIDS for example as sensible.

What I mean is condoms don't prevent AIDS being spread. The main cause is intergenerational sex of older men with young girls. Contraceptives won't affect that exploitation which is wrong - contraceptive or none!

But you seem to be ignorant that the RCC isnt a democracy. If most people decided slavery was ok or sex with a child was and the church had a policy opposed to it then it does not change the policy just because most people want to sin.

Penn

ISAW wrote: »

What I mean is condoms don't prevent AIDS being spread. The main cause is intergenerational sex of older men with young girls. Contraceptives won't affect that exploitation which is wrong - contraceptive or none!

I'm sorry... what?

Condoms don't exactly prevent AIDS from being spread. It significantly reduces the chances of it being spread through sexual intercourse.

As for the main cause being "intergenerational sex of older men with young girls", what does that have to do with AIDS? The age or gender of both parties doesn't matter. And even if it did, condoms would still significantly reduce the chances of AIDS spreading from one party to the other.

Fanny Cradock

Folks, this thread is about member enrolling in the priesthood. It not about clerical sex abuse, AIDS or whatever else. Given that may warnings aren't' getting through this thread is on borrowed time.

Asry

so if women could be priests, say, does anyone think it really would swell the numbers of ordinations...or not?

I mean, if women could be priests, then I'd be one of the statistics in that article the OP posted up.

gimmebroadband

Asry wrote: »

so if women could be priests, say, does anyone think it really would swell the numbers of ordinations...or not?

I mean, if women could be priests, then I'd be one of the statistics in that article the OP posted up.

If it were to happen (It NEVER will in the CC), then you would be called a priestess!

(Genesis 14, 18) and (Psalm 110) refers to Jesus as “a priest forever".

You are a PRIEST forever in the order of Melchizadech

Asry

well I wouldn't necessarily be called a priestess though, would I? I mean, it's a bit sexist isn't it?

What does the final sentence in your post mean?

gimmebroadband

Asry wrote: »

well I wouldn't necessarily be called a priestess though, would I? I mean, it's a bit sexist isn't it?

What does the final sentence in your post mean?

The final sentence refers to Jesus, a Priest forever, offerning HIMSELF as a sacrifice on the Cross to the Father, while Priests offer HIM to the Father as as a sacrifice at the Mass!

It wasn't seen as sexist in the old testament!

goat2

i can only see this increase in numbers joining the priesthood as a plus, these are people who were reared in todays world, they know the past the church had, and hope to improve things into the future, unlike in the past that parents wanted one of their children to join priest or nuns, these people are making the decisions on their own, they are well informed and educated, and have lived a decent life before entring, the only thing parents of today want for their offsprings is, happiness, and to find their own route in life, such as these are doing

Asry

gimmebroadband wrote: »

The final sentence refers to Jesus, a Priest forever, offerning HIMSELF as a sacrifice on the Cross to the Father, while Priests offer HIM to the Father as as a sacrifice at the Mass!

It wasn't seen as sexist in the old testament!

Women's equality has changed somewhat since the Old Testament. You might have heard.

So I wouldn't be able to enter the seminary as Jesus is a priest forever? I don't follow the line of reasoning? What has that got to do with it?

georgieporgy

Asry wrote: »

Women's equality has changed somewhat since the Old Testament. You might have heard.

So I wouldn't be able to enter the seminary as Jesus is a priest forever? I don't follow the line of reasoning? What has that got to do with it?

What do you mean exactly Asry? You have already said you want to formally leave the Church. So I would suspect you do not have a vocation to the priesthood. We already have enough problems in the clergy when it comes to those individuals who had difficulty controlling their sexual appetites.
Do you think it would help the situation if a bisexual female who wishes to leave the church was actually admitted to the priesthood?
Sometimes the Devil puts us up to things like that. We have to be on guard against temptation.

Asry

georgieporgy wrote: »

What do you mean exactly Asry? You have already said you want to formally leave the Church. So I would suspect you do not have a vocation to the priesthood. We already have enough problems in the clergy when it comes to those individuals who had difficulty controlling their sexual appetites.
Do you think it would help the situation if a bisexual female who wishes to leave the church was actually admitted to the priesthood?
Sometimes the Devil puts us up to things like that. We have to be on guard against temptation.

Your quote makes no relevance to the issues you raised below it.

People have been on the verge of leaving the Church in the past and have been saved on the cusp of exclusion. My point is that I feel as a priest, I could make changes for the betterment of the Church, in an attempt to cleanse it of the corruption that appears to have taken it over. I'm not saying I would be successful at it, just that I would like the chance to try.

I feel that allowing women to be ordained would give the Church a new lease of life.

As for my sexuality, I don't see why that's the point. If I was a priest, surely I would also be celibate, and that applies to everyone under the vows? I'd much rather be celibate and renounce things altogether than to be the way I am now. HOWEVER, in life outside the priesthood, it is not that easy. There are relationships, and love, and committment. I'm not saying I'm a promiscuous person. I'm not. Just because I'm attracted to both sexes doesn't mean I have to go and have sex with everyone all the time, you know?

So yes, should this vocation ring true and I gain the chance to be ordained, I think that this could be the grace I feel I have been excluded from.

Reading this, it sounds very confused. Probably because I, myself, am confused about it. Seperating love and making love and faith is not so easy for everybody. I feel that because of my homosexual tendancies, I have been somehow marked out even if I don't act on them. But I don't see how that would effect my actions as a priest.

All of this is hypothetical, of course. Women will never be priests in the Roman Catholic Church, as it is an Apostolic church.

To move on, however, as regards my Renunciation - I will be attending World Youth Day, I am praying and fasting and waiting for an answer. Again, it is not something that would be taken lightly.

Sorry. This is so messed up I shouldn't have started this post. I'm just really upset today about all this. It's kind of mangled.

Anyway. Yeah. Apologies


[edit: I just noticed that my spelling is ****** up. Too lazy to correct! But yes, it offends me too ]

georgieporgy

Asry, if you read this essay which I also linked to on another thread on the subject of vocations, you will find it very helpful in answering some of your questions

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=9643

Asry

The article is really helpful, thank you

I know that as regards cultivating a 'holy hatred of sin', I'd rather be more prone to this:

And unless scrupulosity has a supernatural origin as a special trial, as in the later years of the life of St. Alphonsus Liguori, it generally is found in persons who are neurotic, overly zealous, and who lack a sense of humor.

Has anybody else ever considered a vocation, wanted to swell those stats in the OP? And if so, why did you decide it wasn't for you?

goat2

Asry wrote: »

The article is really helpful, thank you

I know that as regards cultivating a 'holy hatred of sin', I'd rather be more prone to this:






Has anybody else ever considered a vocation, wanted to swell those stats in the OP? And if so, why did you decide it wasn't for you?

today as an older person, who have sewn their wild seeds, i would consider it, as even though i have been disgusted and apalled by what went on when i was a child, and did not know at the time that there were children suffering, as our parents shielded us from the horrors of life.
now that this new crop of well educated, well adjusted people are entring it of their own free will having lived a nice childhood and teenage onto adulthood with minds of their own, i say fair dues to them, the future for the catholic church looks promising, if my own son came to me and said that he would like to become a priest, i would just say, do whatever you think is right for you and that you are happy doing

cossi

a person should be allowed to do what ever they want so if they want to become a priest he should be let without people talking about him.