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Greens begged not to allow FF to commit the "greatest robbery" of the Irish people..

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  • 26-08-2009 1:27pm
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    zod
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    Ministers John Gormley and Eamon Ryan are under increased pressure to obtain "significant changes" that would minimise the risk to the taxpayer.
    Such changes would boost support for NAMA among members but there is a section of the party who now advocate temporary nationalisation and are resolutely opposed to the bad bank proposal.

    The emotive anti-NAMA emails, some of which are very similar in their arguments, generally conclude by asking the elected representative if he or she will oppose or support the NAMA proposal at the party's conventions.
    The party's economic spokesman, senator Dan Boyle, is understood to be replying to many of them.
    In one, the Greens are urged not to allow Fianna Fail to commit the "greatest robbery" of the Irish people in the history of the State.
    The emailers claim NAMA is the biggest decision ever to confront the country, and urge the party hierarchy to stop it from progressing.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/greens-urge-party-tds-to-reject-nama-1869138.html?r=RSS


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    LostinBlanch
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    Don't worry though, the Gormley / Ryan cabal will find a way to ignore them and fulfill thier role as willing accomplices in the same crime.

    they know what side their bread is buttered!


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    Fat_Fingers
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    Maybe they will push NAMA but they also will know that come next election there will be no more Green party.
    Gormley / Ryan then can go as independent and once electeted they can join FF... nothing new there, politics..


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    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Fat_Fingers wrote: »
    Maybe they will push NAMA but they also will know that come next election there will be no more Green party.
    Gormley / Ryan then can go as independent and once electeted they can join FF... nothing new there, politics..
    Greens will say this now but they are fighting for their political lives. People know they put FF into power. thats all there is to it.


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    Mario007
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    Greens will say this now but they are fighting for their political lives. People know they put FF into power. thats all there is to it.

    oh come on, lets get rid of the demagogy here. it's the 'people' that put FF into power...pure and simple 42% of people voted for FF, which gave FF a great mandate to be honest. so if we can blame anyone it must be the people that fell for FF's vote buying and boom and bust practices...


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    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Mario007 wrote: »
    oh come on, lets get rid of the demagogy here. it's the 'people' that put FF into power...pure and simple 42% of people voted for FF, which gave FF a great mandate to be honest. so if we can blame anyone it must be the people that fell for FF's vote buying and boom and bust practices...
    Im only going in the signs on peoples windows during the Local and Euro elections. A lot of anger at the greens.


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    Mario007 wrote: »
    oh come on, lets get rid of the demagogy here. it's the 'people' that put FF into power...pure and simple 42% of people voted for FF, which gave FF a great mandate to be honest. so if we can blame anyone it must be the people that fell for FF's vote buying and boom and bust practices...

    Yeah the NAZI party at their peak had 43% of the vote in the German 1933 election.

    Of course they gained complete control through lies and sabotage. The Reichstag fire was blamed on the opposition who were locked up and some of the media were banned.

    Not making excuses for the Germans but they were duped and believed the propoganda. They were then brainwashed into WW2.

    Of course while FF arent leading us into WW3 they do seem to have alot of leverage with RTE and Lenihan is trying to pull the wool over our eyes with this NAMA crap.

    While the German Chancellor Von Papen and President Hindenburg backed the NAZIs it wasnt long until the Night of the long knives sorted that out.
    The Greens are both Chancellor and President.


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    Spiritoftheseventies
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    Yeah the NAZI party at their peak had 43% of the vote in the German 1933 election.

    Of course they gained complete control through lies and sabotage. The Reichstag fire was blamed on the opposition who were locked up and some of the media were banned.

    Not making excuses for the Germans but they were duped and believed the propoganda. They were then brainwashed into WW2.

    Of course while FF arent leading us into WW3 they do seem to have alot of leverage with RTE and Lenihan is trying to pull the wool over our eyes with this NAMA crap.

    While the German Chancellor Von Papen and President Hindenburg backed the NAZIs it wasnt long until the Night of the long knives sorted that out.
    The Greens are both Chancellor and President.
    Now thats stretching it a bit!


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    thebman
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    Now thats stretching it a bit!

    Maybe but RTE have had some questionable coverage at times and purely just giving air time to politicians to say whatever they want and calling it an interview at times.


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    Spiritoftheseventies
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    thebman wrote: »
    Maybe but RTE have had some questionable coverage at times and purely just giving air time to politicians to say whatever they want and calling it an interview at times.
    End of the day, RTE is still a semi state body. So while they have some freedom they dont have total freedom with what they can ask.


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    thebman
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    End of the day, RTE is still a semi state body. So while they have some freedom they dont have total freedom with what they can ask.

    It has public service obligations AFAIK. IMO it is failing to provide fair and unbiased coverage massively especially compared to the nearest comparable state broadcaster BBC (yes I'm aware of funds difference but that doesn't mean they can't ask hard questions).

    Simply put, it shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is in its current form giving the impression that everything is okay and this economic crisis is normal and not the governments fault but because of International circumstances and everything would have been fine if it wasn't for those darn Americans and British entering recession.

    Seems to be the general message they are trying to put out there IMO.


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    Spiritoftheseventies
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    thebman wrote: »
    It has public service obligations AFAIK. IMO it is failing to provide fair and unbiased coverage massively especially compared to the nearest comparable state broadcaster BBC (yes I'm aware of funds difference but that doesn't mean they can't ask hard questions).

    Simply put, it shouldn't be allowed to continue as it is in its current form giving the impression that everything is okay and this economic crisis is normal and not the governments fault but because of International circumstances and everything would have been fine if it wasn't for those darn Americans and British entering recession.

    Seems to be the general message they are trying to put out there IMO.
    Well to be fair, George Lee when he was reporting was fairly voiciferous in what happened between the bankers and the developers.
    But always felt during the last leaders debate that a lot was let go. Bertie laughed off Kenny's plans and was not fully challenged in my opinion.


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    thebman
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    bayviewclose wrote: »
    Well to be fair, George Lee when he was reporting was fairly voiciferous in what happened between the bankers and the developers.
    But always felt during the last leaders debate that a lot was let go. Bertie laughed off Kenny's plans and was not fully challenged in my opinion.

    Yeah and he seems to have gotten in trouble in RTE for it too from observing events with George Lee in RTE.

    Seems to have been related to his later career moves too to be fair but clearly wasn't appreciated for his commentary by RTE management.


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    old boy
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    yes but has not b.lenihan stated that the next budget is going to be about water charges, carbon footprints etc, which is the green agenda, and is to address the greens to redress their fears over nama.


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    Spiritoftheseventies
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    old boy wrote: »
    yes but has not b.lenihan stated that the next budget is going to be about water charges, carbon footprints etc, which is the green agenda, and is to address the greens to redress their fears over nama.
    RE Nama Lenihan will be addressing a lot of issues there. I think that will be very much a collaborative process if Fianna Fail are to stay in power.


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    Sand
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    RTE cant have a go at Fianna Fail. Imagine if RTE did some hard hitting interviews and showed up eejits like Frank Fahey as the morons they are? And then when budget time came around, had to go cap in hand to ask for their budget for the year? From guess who? Fianna Fail.

    I remeber reading a comment from a Fianna Fail TD where he was quite blunt about RTEs budget allocation in light of a story that annoyed Fianna Fail. Might have even been that flip flap about the Cowen portraits.


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    thebman
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    Its just plain wrong and we'll never have proper reporting as long as that nonsense is tolerated. Its no wonder we have no standards for public office when we have the state broadcaster acting like everything is fine all the time.


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    Spiritoftheseventies
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    thebman wrote: »
    Its just plain wrong and we'll never have proper reporting as long as that nonsense is tolerated. Its no wonder we have no standards for public office when we have the state broadcaster acting like everything is fine all the time.
    Did anyone see Documentary about the proposed invasion of the North in 1969. Was quite interesting for first hour. And particularly when Jack Lynch had to give a speech to the nation.


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