Champions League Pots/Draw

Mr Maroon

I didn't see a thread for this. If there is already one I apologise and this can be deleted/merged.


The draw is on tomorrow. It will be live on SSN starting at 4:30.

Here are the pots:

POT 1: Barcelona, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Milan, Arsenal, Sevilla, Bayern

POT 2: Lyon, Inter, Real Madrid, CSKA Moscow, Porto, AZ Alkmaar, Juventus, Glasgow Rangers

POT 3: Olympiacos, Marseille, Dinamo Kiev, Stuttgart, Fiorentina, Atletico Madrid, Bordeaux, Besiktas

POT 4: Wolfsburg, Standard, Maccabi Haifa, Zurich, Rubin Kazan, Unirea Urziceni, APOEL Nicosia, Debrecen.

Royale with Cheese

Nightmare draw for any of the English teams:

Inter
Atletico Madrid
Wolfsburg

Not sure what the best draw would be.

Eire-Dearg

I wouldn't mind AZ, Bordeaux and Standard again. All winnable, and not much travel involved.

Wow - with Inter, Juve and Real in the second pot there could be a tough game for one of the English sides.

Headshot

man utd and lyon will be in the same group

watch this space

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Nightmare draw for any of the English teams:

Inter
Atletico Madrid
Wolfsburg

Yeah there's going to be some seriously tough groups this year by the looks of things.

Royale with Cheese

Why are Sevilla in pot 1?

Headshot

Real madrid could get an English club

R. madrid arent top seeds

Mr Maroon

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Not sure what the best draw would be.

AZ
Kiev
anyone but Rubin or Wolfsburg.

Royale with Cheese

Headshot wrote: »

Real madrid could get an English club

But in terms of the worst draw possible, that'd take Atletico out of the equation in pot 3.

Mr Maroon

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Why are Sevilla in pot 1?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uefa_coefficients

Smegball

Chelsea to get an easy draw shocker :pac:

Smegball

Real Madrid
Fiorentina
Wolfsburg

or

Inter
Atletico
Wolfsburg

Can't decide which would be tougher.

Seaneh

Milan
Real Madrid
Bordeaux
Wolfsburg



I would cry...


Milan
AZ Alkmaar
Dinamo Kiev
APOEL Nicosia

I'd **** my pants in glee.

Mr Maroon

The thing about getting the easier Pot 1 / Pot 2 teams in the groups is that that leaves you open to getting all the best teams in the knockout stage. If you're in a group with one of the stronger teams that means you can't meet them in the next round.

Eire-Dearg

CSKA would have to be the farthest team away from England in Pot 2, Besiktas in Pot 3 - don't know about Pot 3. Sometimes long travels can affect it big time.

I'm hoping for a nice close draw, so AZ, Bordeaux and Standard.

Mr Maroon

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

CSKA would have to be the farthest team away from England in Pot 2, Besiktas in Pot 3 - don't know about Pot 3. Sometimes long travels can affect it big time.

I'm hoping for a nice close draw, so AZ, Bordeaux and Standard.

Rubin Kazan, Russian champions.

man u will probably get R.Madrid.

Liverpool will get Marseille, they like playing them and PSV recently, PSV not qualified this year though.

There seems to be more weaker teams than usual this year.

Btw, how the fcuk are Rangers in Pot 2 ??

Mr Maroon

rarnes1 wrote: »

man u will probably get R.Madrid.

Liverpool will get Marseille, they like playing them and PSV recently, PSV not qualified this year though.

There seems to be more weaker teams than usual this year.

Btw, how the fcuk are Rangers in Pot 2 ??

That's because of Platini's new qualification system. Get used to seeing more weaker teams.

Seaneh

I think the new system is a lot better, you have way more league champions qualifying, and after all, it is called the champions league.

No country should get 3 automatic qualifiers, and I support a team that finished 3rd and qualified automatically.

A Dub in Glasgo

Would love to see Rangers return to Manchester Seriously though they are the poorest pot 2 team in a long time

Mr Maroon

Mr Maroon wrote: »

That's because of Platini's new qualification system. Get used to seeing more weaker teams.

Not slagging them off or anything just shocked to see them in pot 2.

Platini wont be happy until all the english clubs are in pot 4.

redzerdrog

man u and real are nailed on

ArmaniJeanss

rarnes1 wrote: »

Btw, how the fcuk are Rangers in Pot 2 ??

I'm guessing they picked up a bundle of co-eff points when they got to the UEFA cup final in 2007, it'll help them with their seeding for the next couple of seasons.

dor83

I reckon Utd will get Real(C. Ronaldo returns to Old Trafford), Barca get Inter(Ibra and Eto'o return to their old clubs) and Milan get Bordeaux(Gourcuff returns to Milan), it's faith.

mayordenis

rangers would be great, along with boardeux and zurich - nice non long haul winnable games.

Mr Maroon

dor83 wrote: »

I reckon Utd will get Real(C. Ronaldo returns to Old Trafford), Barca get Inter(Ibra and Eto'o return to their old clubs) and Milan get Bordeaux(Gourcuff returns to Milan), it's fixed.

Daysha

I'll cream myself if United get Madrid. What a fcuking match that'll be.

Brewster

rarnes1 wrote: »

man u will probably get R.Madrid.

Liverpool will get Marseille, they like playing them and PSV recently, PSV not qualified this year though.

There seems to be more weaker teams than usual this year.

Btw, how the fcuk are Rangers in Pot 2 ??

Rangers got promoted to pot 2 last night when Fiorentina knocked out Sporting Lisbon. They would have been in pot 3 had Sporting won or had Panathanaikos beating Madrid...

Brewster

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Would love to see Rangers return to Manchester Seriously though they are the poorest pot 2 team in a long time

Im sure Rangers will get an English team, would be great to see Champions of England and Champions of Scotland go head to head again like they did in 2003.... Sir Alex would love to bring his team back to Ibrox, I am sure of this. Rangers are easiest of the pot 2 teams no question..

Mikeyt086

If Manchester United draw Real Madrid the people at Sky are going to have a giant orgy in the office.

Carroller16

hopefully

MAN UNITED
GLASGOW RANGERS
BESIKTAS JK
APOEL NICOSIA

________________

Hopefully not

MAN UNITED
REAL MADRID
FIORENTINA
WOLFSBURG

Mitch Connor

if it is fixed, as people expect it to be, I can't see United getting Real Madrid - they'd be kept apart til the knockouts I reckon, if it was fixed.

Brewster

Carroller16 wrote: »

hopefully

MAN UNITED
GLASGOW RANGERS
BESIKTAS JK
APOEL NICOSIA

________________

Hopefully not

MAN UNITED
REAL MADRID
FIORENTINA
WOLFSBURG

Wolfsburg strongest of pot 4 teams. Im sure Sir Alex and his mate Walter would be both delighted with the first draw!

thorbarry

Good to see Milan back, i look forward to see ronaldinho playing for them through the middle. Apparently new manager Leonardo is building the team around him, which is good, Id like to see him pull the creative strings in midfield

_blank_

Mitch Connor wrote: »

if it is fixed, as people expect it to be, I can't see United getting Real Madrid - they'd be kept apart til the knockouts I reckon, if it was fixed.

So, some people saying it's fixed if United get Real in the groups, others saying that it's fixed if they get them in the knockouts.

Fúck it, I'll say it's fixed if United don't get Real at all.

adamski8

just thinking wouldnt an english team prefer a "big" second pot team to be drawn with them. I mean the top two go through. Say if they dont win a couple of matches at least the other "big" second pot team will hopefully demolish the 2 other lower ranked teams, thus making it easier for the english team???

Carroller16

adamski8 wrote: »

just thinking wouldnt an english team prefer a "big" second pot team to be drawn with them. I mean the top two go through. Say if they dont win a couple of matches at least the other "big" second pot team will hopefully demolish the 2 other lower ranked teams, thus making it easier for the english team???

yes but it's getting more and more important to win your group so you will be seeded for the next round. Although saying that there is usually a lot of quality teams unseeded in the knockout rounds.

LuckyLloyd

Pot Four is extremely weak in comparison to previous years (I am aware that this was the intention).

Also, a draw of CSKA, Dinamo Kiev and Maccabi Haifa would be pretty bad. Yes, any of the English teams would progress from it, but the extremely long travel times would surely have a knock on effect for domestic games.

Holsten

I'll be shocked if United get any hard team at all, let alone Real Madrid!

Warper

Mr Maroon wrote: »

I didn't see a thread for this. If there is already one I apologise and this can be deleted/merged.


The draw is on tomorrow. It will be live on SSN starting at 4:30.

Here are the pots:

POT 1: Barcelona, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Milan, Arsenal, Sevilla, Bayern

POT 2: Lyon, Inter, Real Madrid, CSKA Moscow, Porto, AZ Alkmaar, Juventus, Glasgow Rangers

POT 3: Olympiacos, Marseille, Dinamo Kiev, Stuttgart, Fiorentina, Atletico Madrid, Bordeaux, Besiktas

POT 4: Wolfsburg, Standard, Maccabi Haifa, Zurich, Rubin Kazan, Unirea Urziceni, APOEL Nicosia, Debrecen.

Teams in bold you would want to avoid. Pot 4 is of a horrible standard (bar Wolfsburg). Half the teams sounds like they are names of people. The Group stages have been pretty boring the past few seasons as it is a stroll for the top teams. Moscow, Porto, Alkmaar and Rangers would be handy draws for Pot 1.

JerryHandbag

Please please please make it United and Real. And canon-fodder for the other 2 places in group But yeah, should it happen, prepare for the Sky Sports hype machine

Mitch Connor

Warper wrote: »

Teams in bold you would want to avoid. Pot 4 is of a horrible standard (bar Wolfsburg). Half the teams sounds like they are names of people. The Group stages have been pretty boring the past few seasons as it is a stroll for the top teams. Moscow, Porto, Alkmaar and Rangers would be handy draws for Pot 1.

i'd like United to get Zurich from pot 4. I have a friend living over that way, so would have somewhere to stay...

kida

Holsten wrote: »

I'll be shocked if United get any hard team at all, let alone Real Madrid!

FFS - this sh!t comes up every year - give it a rest

2008
Villareal
Celtic
Aalborg

2007
Roma
Sporting
Kiev

2006
Celtic
Benfica
Copenhagen

2005
Villareal
Benfica
Lille

Wreck

Wow there are some very tough possible draws there. I think the key is to avoid the really tough teams in pot three. Would really hate to get Atletico in, they have looked very good. I see alot of people are tipping Wolfsburg as one to avoid, can't say I've heard much about them, are they that good?

therecklessone

Seaneh wrote: »

I think the new system is a lot better, you have way more league champions qualifying, and after all, it is called the champions league.

No country should get 3 automatic qualifiers, and I support a team that finished 3rd and qualified automatically.

Nail hit squarely on the head there.

ROCKMAN

I'd like to avoid Juventus if I had a choice. Think they will be a handful for any of the pot 1 Teams .

Unearthly

I'd like to call out all the conspiracy theorists crackpots who come out every year and say it's rigged. Come on then folks, what's the rigged draw this time, let's compare it to the real thing.

LuckyLloyd

kida wrote: »

FFS - this sh!t comes up every year - give it a rest

2008
Villareal
Celtic
Aalborg

2007
Roma
Sporting
Kiev

2006
Celtic
Benfica
Copenhagen

2005
Villareal
Benfica
Lille

So the point stands as per the above groups?

LuckyLloyd

Wreck wrote: »

Wow there are some very tough possible draws there. I think the key is to avoid the really tough teams in pot three. Would really hate to get Atletico in, they have looked very good. I see alot of people are tipping Wolfsburg as one to avoid, can't say I've heard much about them, are they that good?

They're a German league side. Relative to the other teams in that pot, they'll be mega tough.

eZe^

I actually don't mind who Barca get in the group stages, they need to prove themselves against the best to show that they are still at the aphex of world football today.

I'd be happy to see

Barca
Inter
Fiorentina
Wolfsburg

More than likely something like;

Barca
Rangers
Fiorentina
Standard

Which is a fair enough group really.

kida

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

So the point stands as per the above groups?

go look at the options - believe me there was far easier - Celtic was not an easy option for an English team