The end is nigh for shooting?

4gun

I think the only way a petition would cause Mr Ahern any concern would be to get 1,000,000 signatures .. and drop it on his head:eek:... from a great height:D:D

bunny shooter

"The end is nigh for shooting?" only if it's not "Olympic" type shooting

A new SI specifically for that type of shooting one would wonder how and why they got such special treatment

fat-tony

bunny shooter wrote: »

"The end is nigh for shooting?" only if it's not "Olympic" type shooting

A new SI specifically for that type of shooting one would wonder how and why they got such special treatment

Aw bunny - the original SI had the same reference to Olympic competition so no conspiracy theories please:rolleyes:
The "new" SI has removed the anomaly concerning centre-fire moderators. We are all awaiting the guidelines to see what's in and what's not.

johngalway

4gun wrote: »

I think the only way a petition would cause Mr Ahern any concern would be to get 1,000,000 signatures .. and drop it on his head:eek:... from a great height:D:D

Quadruple spaced and heavyweight paper please

And none of that greeny writing on both sides nonsense either!

ormondprop

i think it should be made difficult to get your first license so you only bother getting it if you really want/need it but once you have it you should be allowed buy new guns or change your gun easily and cheaply, what i think would be a good idea is have a seperate license for each shoothing discipline, have a game license that you can have a shotgun for, a rough shooting license that allows the owner to have a shotgun, air rifle, rimfire or centrefire smaller then say a .22-250, a big game license that allows the use of bigger rifles for deer or other big animals out foreign, and a target license that allows for .22's centrefire rifles, trap/sporter shotguns and handguns and airguns, and once he has any of these licenses let him buy as many guns as he needs for it aslong as his security is up to standard

Grizzly 45

johngalway wrote: »

Quadruple spaced and heavyweight paper please

And none of that greeny writing on both sides nonsense either!

Deliverd to him while he is about his hobby of windsurfing.:)

[I thought hot air ballooning was a more appropriate hobby for our Dail denizens.]

johngalway

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Deliverd to him while he is about his hobby of windsurfing.:)

[I thought hot air ballooning was a more appropriate hobby for our Dail denizens.]

Self powered then.

cavan shooter

I picked this thread up a little late but..As I see it there is a couple of things that I think is clear over the last few years. The new Legislation and the new forms and the new security arrangements will see a net reduction in firearms in this country all be it from the law abiding members of the public. A hell of alot of people arent going to renew and it has been estimated that upto 20,000 firearms will be destroyed. Now Look at that headline "Minister suceeds in taking 20,000 guns off the streets" Chalk one up for the Minister. Do people really give a shlit were the figure or how the figure came about no.

The new forms has, as mentioned already, make(s) the applicant "work" to obtain a firearm from scratch.

1. Proficiency course
2. Chat to Doctor
3. Referees
4. Member of club/range or Farmers permission
5. Security arrangments (which you now sign that you have in palce so whoa be tide ye if your gun gets nicked and it wasnt secured. and I bet you a tenner minimum will be a gun safe, (if the Super has sense, because I cant see a gun stored seperately in constituent parts with a trigger lock in place.

Then we have a duck that I'll take up Golf.

Shooting wont be banned, and I'll throw this grenade in for good measure that maybe we moved too quickly on the pistol front from (with licencing of 22 rimfire to 9mm and .357 revolvers). (I know the argument that a gun is a gun etc) but maybe the public/the politicians and the gardai werent ready for that leap and we have actually shot ourselves in the foot.(sorry for the pun).

Politicians for thousands of years have played to the plaebs. We suffer from thinking that everyone in the country knows a little bit about shooting sports,(sure arent we all agricultural):D but as it has been said here on numerous occassions, the news and hollywood has educated the masses, and that there is the fundamental problem.

We need to Stop thinking like a sportsman who knows his sport and look at it from the outside in as someone who knows nothing about shooting and when you do it's all about numbers

.22 vs 9mm etc

Have a conversation withsomeone about target shooting, they wont bat an eyelid if you say I shoot with a .22 target pistol (cause everyone loves .22 we grew up around it Grand daddy had one etc etc etc) have the same conversation but this time use the term "9mm" and semi auto and watch the xpression change evr so slightly.
By the way ditto for expressions like double barrell or over and under vs pump action and semi automatic.


I actually think target sports will be fine, it's hunting that is going to get the chop.

rrpc

bunny shooter wrote: »

"The end is nigh for shooting?" only if it's not "Olympic" type shooting

A new SI specifically for that type of shooting one would wonder how and why they got such special treatment

Bunny, we brought the Minister out for dinner and got him sh*t faced in Coppers before bringing him on a wild tour of the ranges of Ireland pointing out how everyone else was bad and we were good.

Then we tucked him into bed and left a pre-printed SI on his locker to be signed the next morning.

We're actually surprised he did, because he got totally plastered and kept asking us to call him Brian because: "those other two f*ckers are called Brian" and he didn't want to be left out.....

So now you know :eek:

cavan shooter

rrpc wrote: »

Bunny, we brought the Minister out for dinner and got him sh*t faced in Coppers before bringing him on a wild tour of the ranges of Ireland pointing out how everyone else was bad and we were good.

Then we tucked him into bed and left a pre-printed SI on his locker to be signed the next morning.

We're actually surprised he did, because he got totally plastered and kept asking us to call him Brian because: "those other two f*ckers are called Brian" and he didn't want to be left out.....

So now you know :eek:

Brilliant....:D

It wasn't me!

rrpc wrote: »

Bunny, we brought the Minister out for dinner and got him sh*t faced in Coppers before bringing him on a wild tour of the ranges of Ireland pointing out how everyone else was bad and we were good.

Then we tucked him into bed and left a pre-printed SI on his locker to be signed the next morning.

We're actually surprised he did, because he got totally plastered and kept asking us to call him Brian because: "those other two f*ckers are called Brian" and he didn't want to be left out.....

So now you know :eek:

There's a part of me that really wants that to be true.

rrpc

It wasn't me! wrote: »

There's a part of me that really wants that to be true.

I think it is.

I keep reading posts from Bananaman and bunny shooter and Sikamick and although it's all a bit of a blur to me; you know the kind of memory that you're not sure if it's a dream or not? Well that's the one I have, and I was sure it was a dream until I read their posts and they seem so sure that they must have been there to know so much, so it must be true and not a dream at all

And that phrase about "the other two f*ckers being called Brian" just keeps ringing in my ears like one of those annoying pop songs.......

4gun

rrpc wrote: »

Bunny, we brought the Minister out for dinner and got him sh*t faced in Coppers before bringing him on a wild tour of the ranges of Ireland pointing out how everyone else was bad and we were good.

Then we tucked him into bed and left a pre-printed SI on his locker to be signed the next morning.

We're actually surprised he did, because he got totally plastered and kept asking us to call him Brian because: "those other two f*ckers are called Brian" and he didn't want to be left out.....

So now you know :eek:

:D if ye had stitched him up with a couple of strippers and got the photos you could have the sway over him to legalise cannons for home defence:D:D

fat-tony

4gun wrote: »

:D if ye had stitched him up with a couple of strippers and got the photos you could have the sway over him to legalise cannons for home defence:D:D

You tappin' our phones 4gun:p

It wasn't me!

I'd pay really good money to see photos of some of our shooting reps ushering a magnificently covered, lipstick-smacked minister Ahern out of Coppers at three o'clock on a sunday morning. I really, really would.

rrpc

It wasn't me! wrote: »

I'd pay really good money to see photos of some of our shooting reps ushering a magnificently covered, lipstick-smacked minister Ahern out of Coppers at three o'clock on a sunday morning. I really, really would.

PM me, but don't tell anyone else

4gun

fat-tony wrote: »

You tappin' our phones 4gun:p

I'm actually a member of the Secret Garda Special Branch Weapons and Tactics Drugs and Firearms Squad

So secret
Infact the government doesn't even know we exist ....:D probably explains why I havent been paid...:mad:
Don't tell any one will ya....we're secret...shh

Grizzly 45

Trained by Lord Shortarrse in his super secret Louth hotel ,that converts into a Fortress of Solititude and bodygaurd traing facility at the mention of money no doubt???:D:D

bunny shooter

rrpc wrote: »

I think it is.

I keep reading posts from Bananaman and bunny shooter and Sikamick and although it's all a bit of a blur to me; you know the kind of memory that you're not sure if it's a dream or not? Well that's the one I have, and I was sure it was a dream until I read their posts and they seem so sure that they must have been there to know so much, so it must be true and not a dream at all

And that phrase about "the other two f*ckers being called Brian" just keeps ringing in my ears like one of those annoying pop songs.......

"He who laughs last, laughs longest"

Seems the shooters of this country are not too happy with the outcome of this fiasco, hate to be some of those who were inolved

rrpc

bunny shooter wrote: »

"He who laughs last, laughs longest"

Seems the shooters of this country are not too happy with the outcome of this fiasco, hate to be some of those who were inolved

Now now bunny, the mask is slipping

Not your usual affable self today, something you want to share with us?

bunny shooter

rrpc wrote: »

Now now bunny, the mask is slipping

:eek:

rrpc wrote: »

Not your usual affable self today,

I have to agree, loosing interest in the politics of it all TBH

I think the seeds of the demise of all non "olympic" shooting have been sown :eek:

I reckon in time I'll be shooting ISSF style or playing golf

rrpc wrote: »

something you want to share with us?

By "us" do you mean those referred to as "some" in my post?

Or "us" as in the wider "Boards.ie" shooting community ?

rrpc

bunny shooter wrote: »

:eek:
I have to agree, loosing interest in the politics of it all TBH

I think the seeds of the demise of all non "olympic" shooting have been sown :eek:

I reckon in time I'll be shooting ISSF style or playing golf

Em, that's a very bleak view; not saying that ISSF shooting is bleak mind you , but there's lots of other stuff and always has been since before the dreaded pistols came back.

The root of all evil if you ask me. :rolleyes:

By "us" do you mean those referred to as "some" in my post?

Or "us" as in the wider "Boards.ie" shooting community ?

One being a subset of the other presumably, I probably mean both.

bunny shooter

rrpc wrote: »

Em, that's a very bleak view;.

Ya, your right, as usual maybe too bleak time will tell

rrpc wrote: »

not saying that ISSF shooting is bleak mind you ,.

Agreed, not withstanding the "watching paint dry" comment :pac:

rrpc wrote: »

but there's lots of other stuff and always has been since before the dreaded pistols came back..

Ya like bunny shooting

rrpc wrote: »

The root of all evil if you ask me. :rolleyes:.

Have to agree with ya there :eek: They have drawn attention to the shooting community As another poster here said maybe we'd have been better off stopping at .22lr's.

rrpc wrote: »

One being a subset of the other presumably, I probably mean both.

Very good, I see your sharp this afternoon

rrpc

bunny shooter wrote: »

Ya, your right, as usual maybe too bleak time will tell

I'm an optomist

Ya like bunny shooting

It's where I started y'know, and it goes back generations in my family. But it's not just that but quite a few other sports including clay busting etc.

Have to agree with ya there :eek: They have drawn attention to the shooting community As another poster here said maybe we'd have been better off stopping at .22lr's.

It's no coincidence that all this legal stuff started in 2004.

Very good, I see your sharp this afternoon

I'm always sharp and although I appreciate the compliment, are you going to share? :pac:

bunny shooter

rrpc wrote: »

I'm an optomist

That's what has this country in the state it's in :pac:

rrpc wrote: »

It's where I started y'know, and it goes back generations in my family. But it's not just that but quite a few other sports including clay busting etc.

Go on :eek:

rrpc wrote: »

It's no coincidence that all this legal stuff started in 2004.

I know The NARGC challege to the "gun safe" Garda directive was never going to go unpunished either

rrpc wrote: »

I'm always sharp and although I appreciate the compliment, are you going to share? :pac:

No

The metaphorical poker game we have been having is over as far as I'm concerned :P

You never paid to see my cards so now you will never know if I was bluffing or holding a royal flush

Just remember though

"The trouble with this country is that there are too many politicians who believe with a conviction based on experience that you can fool all of the people all of the time" Franklin Pierce Adams

rrpc

bunny shooter wrote: »

I know The NARGC challege to the "gun safe" Garda directive was never going to go unpunished either

Actually that's truer than you know, and in smaller as well as bigger things.

Just remember though

"The trouble with this country is that there are too many politicians who believe with a conviction based on experience that you can fool all of the people all of the time" Franklin Pierce Adams

That can never be proven true until time runs out.

Tackleberrywho

Has anybody actually filled out these renewal forms recently??
8 feckin pages!!

I have to renew all mine it he next few weeks.
How much will it cost 2 rifles 1 s/g 1 pistol

rrpc

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Has anybody actually filled out these renewal forms recently??
8 feckin pages!!

I have to renew all mine it he next few weeks.
How much will it cost 2 rifles 1 s/g 1 pistol

It's only six feckin pages and only five feckin pages if you're licensed through a club.

€80 each.

Sparks

rrpc wrote: »

Now now bunny, the mask is slipping

Bow chica wow wow...

Sparks

bunny shooter wrote: »

greed, not withstanding the "watching paint dry" comment :pac:

Ah, but that wasn't the interesting comment Bunny - it was what he said right after that that's the interesting bit.