Manchester Utd V Arsenal PL

SlickRic

BVB wrote: »

Which means he was about to dive but go clattered instead which rules out the dive FTW

wtf

what's the difference in the mentality of it? he was diving, but got hit on the way down. the mentality's the same, which is what's being argued.

Headshot wrote: »

NOT A peno

good one

this thread needed a bit of lightening up. :pac:

The Muppet

Headshot that's cheating

CR 7

The Muppet wrote: »

\0/

You had it, but you wasted it.

The Muppet

the_pm_of_17 wrote: »

You had it, but you wasted it.

I can always edit it, what do you want it to say?

Headshot

The Muppet wrote: »

Headshot that's cheating

what cheating ?

i tried to get the 1000 post

but my slow ass connection ****ed up

CR 7

The Muppet wrote: »

I can always edit it, what do you want it to say?

Same as my following post would be a fitting conclusion.:D

The Muppet

Headshot wrote: »

what cheating ?

i tried to get the 1000 post

but my slow ass connection ****ed up

Mine went back to 999 when you were doing your edit.

the_pm_of_17 wrote: »

Same as my following post would be a fitting conclusion.:D

Happy now?

CR 7

The Muppet wrote: »

Mine went back to 999 when you did your edit.



Happy now?

Quite. Although I have edited mine since. And it remains to be seen if everyone else follows the 1000th post rule.:P

jank

The Muppet wrote: »

You're mistake is that you are not taking the Jersey he is wearing into account. As I said in my previous post we see similar incidents numerous times each season and there is little said about them.

People comparing the The Eduardo and Rooney incidents are way off the mark, The keeper in the eduardo incident made no contact with the player, If Almunia had made no contact with Rooney it would not have been a peno either.

Eduardo did get contact in the box. Look are the replays.

The Muppet

jank wrote: »

Eduardo did get contact in the box. Look are the replays.

Howdy Jank:) That's debatable, unlike saturdays incident.

kida

jank wrote: »

Eduardo did get contact in the box. Look are the replays.

self inflicted contact though

if this was not a penalty why is the press not all over this?

SlickRic

kida wrote: »

self inflicted contact though

if this was not a penalty why is the press not all over this?

event wrote: »

plus it was definitely a penalty, so it's not as controversial.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

I really cannot believe how blinkered the majority of you Utd. fans are(except futureguy, and Trilla of course;)) that you can't see Rooney going to ground before contact is made.

Nobody is arguing that it wasn't a penalty. Just that he had the intention of going down before any contact was made, the same as Eduardo.

Nalz

playa3 wrote: »

I really cannot believe how blinkered you Utd. fans are(except futureguy) that you can't see Rooney going to ground before contact is made.

You can add me to that list, and if you read further on you will see there is more than futureguy who accepts he went to ground before touched by Almunia.

thanks

Fuhrer

playa3 wrote: »

Nobody is arguing that it wasn't a penalty.

Quite a few are.

Xavi6 wrote: »

The first action was the dive. That's what the decision should be based on, and that alone.

Put it this way, if Almunia cleaned out Rooney, Rooney fell on the ball and handled it, and a free out was given then there'd be blue murder.

Same thing here for me - the second indescretion was punished, not the first.

But then, what does Sherwin know eh?

killwill

SlickRic wrote: »

fine. i'll re-phrase it for you

he was in the process of diving before being fouled.

No he was ensuring the keeper would make contact by keeping both feet on the ground, and went down easy to ensure a penalty was given. But not a blatant dive

kida

killwill wrote: »

No he was ensuring the keeper would make contact by keeping both feet on the ground, and went down easy to ensure a penalty was given. But not a blatant dive

But whats wrong with that - he is under no obligation to get out of the way.

If there was no contact then it was a dive. There was contact and regardless if he was going down already that is a penalty (unless the forward plays into the keeper to ensure contact). So if a player is stumbling is that not a penalty either? It was clever but still a penalty. The keeper making contact make the decision easier.

There are no reputable journalists backing up this crap do let it go, its just bitterness as everyone here would want their own teams striker to do the same.

killwill

kida wrote: »

But whats wrong with that - he is under no obligation to get out of the way.

If there was no contact then it was a dive. There was contact and regardless if he was going down already that is a penalty (unless the forward plays into the keeper to ensure contact). So if a player is stumbling is that not a penalty either? It was clever but still a penalty. The keeper making contact make the decision easier.

There are no reputable journalists backing up this crap do let it go, its just bitterness as everyone here would want their own teams striker to do the same.

Kida there is nnothing wrong with that, that was my whole point.

Chucky the tree

Can someone tell me how it's a pentalty? Last time I checked diving isn't allowed so since the order of events when Rooney touch -> dive -> Almunia contact then clearly Rooney should of been given a yellow for diving.

Mikeyt086

playa3 wrote: »

I really cannot believe how blinkered the majority of you Utd. fans are(except futureguy, and Trilla of course;)) that you can't see Rooney going to ground before contact is made.

Nobody is arguing that it wasn't a penalty. Just that he had the intention of going down before any contact was made, the same as Eduardo.

What do you want us to say?

Rooney is a cheat but he didnt cheat?

SlickRic

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Can someone tell me how it's a pentalty? Last time I checked diving isn't allowed so since the order of events when Rooney touch -> dive -> Almunia contact then clearly Rooney should of been given a yellow for diving.

you'd be quicker reading the thread.

and it was a penalty because Almunia fouled him as he was going to ground.

herbieflowers

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Can someone tell me how it's a pentalty? Last time I checked diving isn't allowed so since the order of events when Rooney touch -> dive -> Almunia contact then clearly Rooney should of been given a yellow for diving.

The ref is never going to see that, when you watch it in realtime it looks like a stonewall penalty. It's only when you see the slo-mo replays that you can see that Rooney started to go down before the contact, got the contact - peno. Cleverly engineered by Rooney, but simulation nonetheless.

Fuhrer

herbieflowers wrote: »

The ref is never going to see that, when you watch it in realtime it looks like a stonewall penalty. It's only when you see the slo-mo replays that you can see that Rooney started to go down before the contact, got the contact - peno. Cleverly engineered by Rooney, but simulation nonetheless.

He simulated Almunia coming out and fouling him?

Paul Tergat

Been reading this thread since the game ended and its pretty funny how split it is, with some saying definite dive and some saying he was fouled.

At the time of seeing the incident i immediately turned round to my mate and said dive, he's taken a dive there and having seen replays i still believe he was just 'looking for the penalty'. As has been said, Rooney knew the keeper was playing and 'won the penno'. Almunia was stupid and a bit rash but, and its not often I say this, I feel sorry for the ref in this instance as at full speed you think its impossible not to give it. It's only when we see the slow mo, and there are plenty of gifs with different angles too, where we see Rooney was already on the way down. Just think how tough the ref has it to see these instances a) once b) from one angle and c) at full speed, very though for them.

Incidents like these have happened thousands of times before and penalties are given the majority of the time but imo Rooney was going down before the keeper made contact. We were very lucky to come away from that match with a win.

herbieflowers

Fuhrer wrote: »

He simulated Almunia coming out and fouling him?

No, he simulated his movement - ie the falling to ground - before the contact was made.

Nalz

how bout we all move on now? Just a thought!

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

What do you want us to say?

Rooney is a cheat but he didnt cheat?

That he had the intention of cheating.

Trilla wrote: »

how bout we all move on now? Just a thought!

Agreed

Paul Tergat

Trilla wrote: »

how bout we all move on now? Just a thought!

This. I reckon that whoever thinks its a penalty wont be changing their mind and vice-versa, its kinda open to interpretation which makes it difficult.

Chucky the tree

SlickRic wrote: »

you'd be quicker reading the thread.

and it was a penalty because Almunia fouled him as he was going to ground.

Don't you mean fouled him as he was in the process of diving?

herbieflowers wrote: »

The ref is never going to see that, when you watch it in realtime it looks like a stonewall penalty. It's only when you see the slo-mo replays that you can see that Rooney started to go down before the contact, got the contact - peno. Cleverly engineered by Rooney, but simulation nonetheless.

Can't fault the ref, but it was a dive from Rooney and therefore shouldn't of been a peno I'm just finding it difficult how some people can claim otherwise.

SlickRic

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Don't you mean fouled him as he was in the process of diving?

i agree with you by the way, as you will see from the rest of the thread. apart from the fact i think it was still a penalty.

'diving' and 'going to ground' mean the same thing for me in this context.

anyway, i agree with other people's sentiments. it's probably about time we just left it.

WIZE

Whats the point with discussing it anymore.

The Keeper fouled Rooney (Dived or not) ,The ref gave a peno , United won the game and no one can change it . UEFA can not do anything about it because rooney was fouled none the less .
Case closed :rolleyes:

AthAnRi

Great, all be it somewhat lucky, win for Utd.

WIZE

AthAnRi wrote: »

Great, all be it somewhat lucky, win for Utd.

Diaby . What a goal!!!:pac:

WillieCocker

BVB wrote: »

Whats the point with discussing it anymore.

The Keeper fouled Rooney (Dived or not) ,The ref gave a peno , United won the game and no one can change it . UEFA can not do anything about it because rooney was fouled none the less .
Case closed :rolleyes:

Someone should have told Celtic fans/staff that last week.
Instead they helped get Eduardo banned.

thorbarry

i love pantomimes, they're great..... Oh no he didn't... oh yes he did

Fuhrer

WillieCocker wrote: »

Someone should have told Celtic fans/staff that last week.
Instead they helped get Eduardo banned.

EDUARDO DIDNT GET FOULED

WIZE

thorbarry wrote: »

i love pantomimes, they're great..... Oh no he didn't... oh yes he did

lol

thorbarry

BVB wrote: »

lol

hahaha

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WillieCocker wrote: »

Someone should have told Celtic fans/staff that last week.
Instead they helped get Eduardo and McGeady banned.

ROCKMAN

WillieCocker wrote: »

Someone should have told Celtic fans/staff that last week.
Instead they helped get Eduardo banned.

EDUARDO IS NOT BANNED






Yet

RasTa

Wreck wrote: »

The abuse directed towards Wenger from some United fans is really disgusting, the chants were clearly audible on the TV so it's not like it was just a tiny minority either.

I take it you couldn't hear the song about what he did to Maddie McCann I called him a pedo and felt a bit silly but I got caught up seeing him standing up there, you just had a goal thankfully disallowed so there was some raw emotion going on by most of the fans.

Royale with Cheese

You saw a man standing there so you got caught up in the moment and felt the need to call him a paedophile? I wouldn't be admitting that here if I were you.

Dave!

boo hoo, didnt realise people were so sensitive

United fans better stop singing 'build a bonfire', or the police will have to get involved, it's clearly threatening to burn people to death

RasTa

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

You saw a man standing there so you got caught up in the moment and felt the need to call him a paedophile? I wouldn't be admitting that here if I were you.

lol if you don't understand the raw emotion of attending a football game, you won't understand that it will make you say stupid things.

Stokes

+1 - All the moral brigade have probably never been to a live game themselves.

NaiveMelodies

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

You saw a man standing there so you got caught up in the moment and felt the need to call him a paedophile? I wouldn't be admitting that here if I were you.

Far worse chants can be sung then calling Wenger a Paedophile.
Funny the way everyone makes such a big deal of some petty chanting from the stands, would much prefer this any day to the scenes at Upton Park etc.

Most of the people complaining, i would wager, have laughed at insensitive jokes before. Its obviously not very tasteful but its far short of a disgrace!

Royale with Cheese

It's just moronic, and makes you look like a moron. If that's what you want then go for it.

Dave!

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

It's just moronic, and makes you look like a moron. If that's what you want then go for it.

I think it's quite funny meself

Hey wait..... uh oh..... what does that make me

Stokes

Looks like the morons in the majority so! Long may it last

Royale with Cheese

Stokes wrote: »

Looks like the morons in the majority so!

Never a truer word spoken on this forum.