New log tables

pathway33 · 02-09-2009 5:50pm #1

Anybody see the new mathematics tables yet? They are supposed to be bigger than the old ones and contain more physics formula. Is this true?

english4490 · 02-09-2009 6:02pm

pathway33 wrote: »

Anybody see the new mathematics tables yet? They are supposed to be bigger than the old ones and contain more physics formula. Is this true?

yep saw them the other day in easons! they also have a few economic formulae too!!

Fad · 02-09-2009 6:20pm

I posted a few scans, they are ridiculous.....I could well be in a different college if I had them.....

RexMundi · 02-09-2009 6:45pm

Fad wrote: »

I posted a few scans, they are ridiculous.....I could well be in a different college if I had them.....

Not that much help to be honest.. saves us from learning a few formulae I suppose but they really shoudl be committed to memory from repitition at this stage..

Blerdiii · 02-09-2009 7:01pm

will we have those in the lleaving cert?

pathway33 · 02-09-2009 7:08pm

Blerdiii wrote: »

will we have those in the lleaving cert?

State Examinations Commission

Cor na Madadh, Baile Átha Luain, Co. na hIarmhí

Cornamaddy, Athlone, Co. Westmeath

S.60/09

To: Management Authorities of Second-Level Schools

Re: Formulae and Tables booklet

Dear Principal,

I refer to the State Examinations Commission Circular No. S.56/09 (copy enclosed) and I now enclose three copies of the new Formulae and Tables booklet. This new booklet will be used in the 2010 examinations and thereafter, and the older Mathematics Tables booklet will no longer be provided.

leesmom · 02-09-2009 7:19pm

i didnt even use the tables in the exams, well i did do ordinary level, but yeah its about time they made the print bigger:rolleyes:

Xtina!! · 02-09-2009 8:18pm

This new tables book cotains most, if not all the formulas for HL maths, and includes physics formulas aswell.
Seeing as more formulas are being given without having to remember them, they are bound to increase the difficulty of the maths and physics exams. Probably not this year, but in the examinations to come, thats my theory anyway.
I personally prefered the old tables book. All you had to do was open page 9 and you kept it on that page for most of the exam.
There are way too many pages in this new one, and people will be going back and forward trying to find formulas.
However, they had to change the old one, could bearly read the areas and volumes pages.

jumpguy · 02-09-2009 8:46pm

For the Junior Cert, the log tables were grand, all you had to was open page 9. It's only a pity the thing was illegible. The tables page are useless altogether, we never even learned to use it. New tables are more modern and are hopefully alot more legible.

blubloblu · 02-09-2009 8:48pm

The legibility is much better. Better hold onto the old logbook for nostalgia.

MathsManiac · 02-09-2009 9:27pm

It's intriguing that people still refer to this as "the log book" and "the log tables". It hasn't been called that officially for donkeys' years. The new one doesn't even have any log tables in it! But I'm sure it'll still be called "the new log book"!

Anyway, how many people here know how to use log tables to calculate stuff, I wonder? Or a slide rule, for that matter?

RexMundi · 02-09-2009 9:29pm

MathsManiac wrote: »

It's intriguing that people still refer to this as "the log book" and "the log tables". It hasn't been called that officially for donkeys' years. The new one doesn't even have any log tables in it! But I'm sure it'll still be called "the new log book"!

Anyway, how many people here know how to use log tables to calculate stuff, I wonder? Or a slide rule, for that matter?

Well, I can use log tables!

dannydfc · 02-09-2009 9:31pm

yeah , the teacher said it today.
Really good help, so it is.

MathsManiac · 02-09-2009 9:40pm

RexMundi wrote: »

Well, I can use log tables!

Well, you can, obviously, being kingoftheworld!

(Maybe one is giving one's age away by admitting to being able to calculate with log tables!)

Lawliet · 02-09-2009 9:42pm

blubloblu wrote: »

The legibility is much better.

Good! I was sick of squinting to see if it was looking at an 8 or a 3

RexMundi · 02-09-2009 9:46pm

MathsManiac wrote: »

Well, you can, obviously, being kingoftheworld!

(Maybe one is giving one's age away by admitting to being able to calculate with log tables!)

Yeah, perhaps not... I'm sitting the Leaving this year

02-09-2009 9:46pm

MathsManiac wrote: »

It's intriguing that people still refer to this as "the log book" and "the log tables". It hasn't been called that officially for donkeys' years. The new one doesn't even have any log tables in it! But I'm sure it'll still be called "the new log book"!

Anyway, how many people here know how to use log tables to calculate stuff, I wonder? Or a slide rule, for that matter?

A quite-old teacher showed us in 2nd or 3rd year, it was always handy to know how to use them when you didn't have a calculator.

swatch · 02-09-2009 10:03pm

pathway33 wrote: »

Anybody see the new mathematics tables yet? They are supposed to be bigger than the old ones and contain more physics formula. Is this true?

Yupp this is very true! Our maths teacher came into our 6th year maths class beaming yesterday going on about how she didn't even know they were coming out and what a great surprise it was

!

doug.irl.92 · 02-09-2009 10:30pm

Yep we were told about them today! You get pretty much everything in them now (the very difficult co-ordinate geometry formulae!!!).

We can also read them now!!

RexMundi · 02-09-2009 10:35pm

doug.irl.92 wrote: »

Yep we were told about them today! You get pretty much everything in them now (the very difficult co-ordinate geometry formulae!!!).

We can also read them now!!

I have yet to have the pleasure of viewing these wondrous new Tables Books. Do they have the co-ordinate geometry of the circle formulae?

If so, I am definately acing maths!

sheep-go-baa · 02-09-2009 10:36pm

They seem really good especially for physics, but it'll definitely take getting used to. I had the same log tables since first year!

rainbowtrout · 02-09-2009 11:41pm

jumpguy wrote: »

For the Junior Cert, the log tables were grand, all you had to was open page 9. It's only a pity the thing was illegible. The tables page are useless altogether, we never even learned to use it. New tables are more modern and are hopefully alot more legible.

That's probably because you had a calculator, when I did my JC in 94 (JC only came in 1992) calculators were not allowed!!!:eek: All the middle pages in my log tables are well worn and marks from calculating squares, roots, sin, cos, tan etc. All done with the log tables. Some would think it's an obsolete skill but it did make us use our brains more.

RexMundi · 02-09-2009 11:50pm

rainbowtrout wrote: »

That's probably because you had a calculator, when I did my JC in 94 (JC only came in 1992) calculators were not allowed!!!:eek: All the middle pages in my log tables are well worn and marks from calculating squares, roots, sin, cos, tan etc. All done with the log tables. Some would think it's an obsolete skill but it did make us use our brains more.

As someone with experience of both methods (I regularly forget my calculator for exams...) I can tell you that using such methods does not require any extra brain power, just time to waste in a tedious and rather mindane way. Using a calculator in fact frees the brain for use on more... challenging things.

rainbowtrout · 02-09-2009 11:56pm

RexMundi wrote: »

As someone with experience of both methods (I regularly forget my calculator for exams...) I can tell you that using such methods does not require any extra brain power, just time to waste in a tedious and rather mindane way. Using a calculator in fact frees the brain for use on more... challenging things.

Well I just find from teaching now that some students who have not been shown how to use log tables and do everything with a calculator are lost when they have no calculator and are handed a pen and paper....

Fad · 03-09-2009 12:14am

I did my JC in '06 (Maybe '07, I just got home........) and I was taught how to use the log table (Why? I still dont know)

li-evo7 · 03-09-2009 12:18am

I am repeating this year and doing chemistry which needs use of log tables.Will I be alright with the old ones or will I have to buy the new ones??

Fad · 03-09-2009 12:21am

li-evo7 wrote: »

I am repeating this year and doing chemistry which needs use of log tables.Will I be alright with the old ones or will I have to buy the new ones??

There's the pH formula in the new ones (Dunno what else), pick up a new one.

eVeNtInE · 03-09-2009 12:22am

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Aoibheann · 03-09-2009 12:30am

This makes me irrationally sad..

There was plenty in the old log tables! Although tbh the only thing I really used my log tables for was the probability option question. But still! I like being able to say "back in my day things were more difficult.. we walked to school for 10 miles in the snow, we used basic log tables.." *shakes fist*.. which was.. *ahem* 2007. >_>

Pygmalion · 03-09-2009 8:06am

Are there scans of them up or something? I might pick one up anyway if it's cheap, there's a maths module on the CA course in DCU I think, at the very least I might run into some maths related problem in future.

Actually no, that's not the reason... I just want one.

wexhurdler · 03-09-2009 9:33am

RexMundi wrote: »

Do they have the co-ordinate geometry of the circle formulae?

If so, I am definately acing maths!

Could you not just learn them

New log tables

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