NAMA - If there wer'e a referendum on it... How would you vote?

Économiste Monétaire

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

And your just a fat nerd who read piles of boring economic text books while idlising cut throat boardroom culture, void of feeling for the needs of people and persuing profit to satisfy greed... a computer programme, written by a profoundly sick world, thanks for your useful explanation of the term delusional :rolleyes:

Haha! Your argument breaks down because you haven't a bog as to what you're talking about. Your display of Nerd Rage just adds to the failure—you might also want to learn the difference between your and you're, just a thought.

Imagine an economist reading economics books! Shock, horror. Stop-The-Presses.

drunken_munky52

Économiste Monétaire wrote: »

Haha! Your argument breaks down because you haven't a bog as to what you're talking about. Your display of Nerd Rage just adds to the failure—you might also want to learn the difference between your and you're, just a thought.

Imagine an economist reading economics books! Shock, horror. Stop-The-Presses.

Borrrrrrrring

Sticking to what I believe and you can just stick yours.

NAMA is robbery... you can use all your fancy little terms to try justify it, thank god most people are not polluted with the crap you were thought, you are all mighty coz you think you are qualified to explain this to people, take your explanantion and kiss some business mans arse with it, coz the public won't buy it

meglome

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Borrrrrrrring

Sticking to what I believe and you can just stick yours.

NAMA is robbery... you can use all your fancy little terms to try justify it, thank god most people are not polluted with the crap you were thought, you are all mighty coz you think you are qualified to explain this to people, take your explanantion and kiss some business mans arse with it, coz the public won't buy it

Yourself and Rtdh amaze me. I know that there's only so much knowledge I have. So when I have people, for example, with an economics background advice me on economics I'll make sure to listen carefully. Of course they may not be correct but I'll take it seriously. You on the other hand are just dismissing it out of hand based on some youtube videos. Rtdh is choosing to believe an internet publication which is packed with lies and which we have no idea who's behind over pretty much every sensible publication there is.

And you know what the really funny thing is (laugh or cry I say) even if we as a country lost say 10 billion Euro on NAMA over the next ten years it would still pale the 20 billion we're going to lose this year alone from our overspending. Time to smell the flowers.

drunken_munky52

meglome wrote: »

Yourself and Rtdh amaze me. I know that there's only so much knowledge I have. So when I have people, for example, with an economics background advice me on economics I'll make sure to listen carefully. Of course they may not be correct but I'll take it seriously. You on the other hand are just dismissing it out of hand based on some youtube videos. Rtdh is choosing to believe an internet publication which is packed with lies and which we have no idea who's behind over pretty much every sensible publication there is.

Oh well, off to watch Pat Kenny's new show now in a moment... "Frontline". I suppose it will be you and the economist's cup of tea anyday... pre-filtered news and prespectives brought directly into your living room...

hopefully it will be a change from all the waffle we here from the "experts" on primetime, NAMA this NAMA that, this number and this value = confused yet? Thats right public, stay confused... we experts will tell you the truth... you dont have to understand it... just believe what we say and everything will be OK... trust us.

meglome

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Oh well, off to watch Pat Kenny's new show now in a moment... "Frontline". I suppose it will be you and the economist's cup of tea anyday... pre-filtered news and prespectives brought directly into your living room...

hopefully it will be a change from all the waffle we here from the "experts" on primetime, NAMA this NAMA that, this number and this value = confused yet? Thats right public, stay confused... we experts will tell you the truth... you dont have to understand it... just believe what we say and everything will be OK... trust us.

Why bother quoting my post if you're just going to rant about other things?

drunken_munky52

meglome wrote: »

Why bother quoting my post if you're just going to rant about other things?

Its all relative you see. You continue to quote the treaty... thats your world for the next two weeks, zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Welcome to the real world friend, this is where you on one side have a belief based on fact, yet you ignore the big picture... I on the other hand have a strong belief (just belief) that Lisbon is wrong, based on some facts of the treaty I have brought to your attention so far... but mostly based detaching myself from mainstream ways of precieving things... you and your muscle boy economist have branded me as "delusional" and spreading "lies", that is true... but you fail the acknowledge them still...

Still tough, what did you think about loud mouth Lenihen barking over Pat tonight? Jesus the spindoctors were rolling around in his eyeballs all the time... but I take it you have swallowed his complete crap and thwarted intentions?

meglome

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Its all relative you see. You continue to quote the treaty... thats your world for the next two weeks, zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Welcome to the real world friend, this is where you on one side have a belief based on fact, yet you ignore the big picture... I on the other hand have a strong belief (just belief) that Lisbon is wrong, based on some facts of the treaty I have brought to your attention so far... but mostly based detaching myself from mainstream ways of precieving things... you and your muscle boy economist have branded me as "delusional" and spreading "lies", that is true... but you fail the acknowledge them still...

Still tough, what did you think about loud mouth Lenihen barking over Pat tonight? Jesus the spindoctors were rolling around in his eyeballs all the time... but I take it you have swallowed his complete crap and thwarted intentions?

Sorry just because you believe in the tooth fairy doesn't mean I'm going to.

There is no need for my opinion here, or your opinion, or anyone's opinion. This is a detailed legal document which you can either show the parts you don't like or you can't. You have singularly failed to show the problems you claim with the Lisbon treaty.

You've also failed to show an understanding of even the basic workings of economics yet you want us to believe you on that as well.

I don't claim to know that much but I'm willing to back up with I say with evidence and logic, maybe you could try this.

drunken_munky52

meglome wrote: »

Sorry just because you believe in the tooth fairy doesn't mean I'm going to.

You dont have to, thats just my opinion. Thank god we live in a "free" world where speech is considered a luxary.

meglome wrote: »

There is no need for my opinion here, or your opinion, or anyone's opinion. This is a detailed legal document which you can either show the parts you don't like or you can't. You have singularly failed to show the problems you claim with the Lisbon treaty.

Yes, I have interupted in my own way just like you have. Basically, until the military aspect of it is dropped I wont be touching it with a 6ft pole... do you not understand that or are you just blinded by the "pros" of the treaty and not seeing the "cons" at all? Is there any aspect you do not like?

meglome wrote: »

You've also failed to show an understanding of even the basic workings of economics yet you want us to believe you on that as well.

Economics is for people who dedicate their lives to understanding it... and even different economists differ on issues... its not an exact science like lets say engineering is... and engineering solves real problems is the world...

meglome wrote: »

I don't claim to know that much but I'm willing to back up with I say with evidence and logic, maybe you could try this.

So did you like Frontline? Do you think that NAMA is a good idea? Why are we pumping our money into banks to clear the loans of fat cats? Lenehin is a liar and a cheat to do this to us.

meglome

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

You dont have to, thats just my opinion. Thank god we live in a "free" world where speech is considered a luxary.

Personally I don't care whatever opinion you hold. But if you going to tell porkies and misrepresent the facts I'll be pointing that out.

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Yes, I have interupted in my own way just like you have. Basically, until the military aspect of it is dropped I wont be touching it with a 6ft pole... do you not understand that or are you just blinded by the "pros" of the treaty and not seeing the "cons" at all? Is there any aspect you do not like?

I haven't interpreted anything, it's a detailed legal document so it doesn't need to be interpreted.

Most of this treaty is pretty innocuous so I'm okay with it. I'm not 100% on the defence and security aspects but they will have little affect in practice over what's happening already so I'll be voting Yes. I would suggest that any treaty negotiated between 27 countries can never be all things to all people, but on balance can be good

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Economics is for people who dedicate their lives to understanding it... and even different economists differ on issues... its not an exact science like lets say engineering is... and engineering solves real problems is the world...

Like you I don't know an awful lot about economics but I know enough not to believe some youtube videos.

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

So did you like Frontline? Do you think that NAMA is a good idea? Why are we pumping our money into banks to clear the loans of fat cats? Lenehin is a liar and a cheat to do this to us.

Well right now NAMA is the only show in town. I'd prefer if the banks were nationalised. Well I'd prefer if we didn't put ourselves into this **** in the first place but there you go.

What do you think we should do?

drunken_munky52

meglome wrote: »

What do you think we should do?

Well, my aim would be to see and end to the banking system altogether... but as that is not going to happen in my life time... the banks should be all taken above byt the government first... no flush them down the toilet.

Wipe the slate clean... start fresh

Take all the banks and create one giant govnt superbank... sort out the loans and all the jazz business... let people off the hook etc... take all the wealthy bankers sports cars, house and trophy wives and sell them on Ebay...

Now use all that money to build high speed broadband, hospitals and schools... etc etc

fergusman

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Well, my aim would be to see and end to the banking system altogether... but as that is not going to happen in my life time... the banks should be all taken above byt the government first... no flush them down the toilet.

Wipe the slate clean... start fresh

Take all the banks and create one giant govnt superbank... sort out the loans and all the jazz business... let people off the hook etc... take all the wealthy bankers sports cars, house and trophy wives and sell them on Ebay...

Now use all that money to build high speed broadband, hospitals and schools... etc etc

What the hell are you talking about?
What money?
When you nationalised the banks you took on the debts too, performing and especially nonperforming, there is no money we're still screwed.
Also have you even considered the costs and how complicated the process of creating this superbank would be?
Not to mention our reputation internationally as well as Competition in the sector. Youre also basically shutting down the IFSC and any tax revenues it still generates for this economy.
Also politicians with direct control over who gets funding for new businesses etc. .....thats sure to end well!!!

AAAAAArrrrrrr I give up........ (slams head repeatedly on desk)

Rujib1

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Most Clare people historically go with whatever the government tells them is right, but are the people really going to be brain washed by the government telling us this is for our benefit, when really the only people that come out un scaved are the ruling rich elite

This thread was started by you Munky, with a stupid and inaccurate statement about the electorate of Clare. You then continue to spout total and utter sh*ite throughout the thread especially about Nama.

Get you facts right and stop polluting cyberspace.

To correct your opening statement, I refer you to the following people elected by Clare people AGAINST the grain of the authorities of the time.

1. Daniel O Connell
2. Eamonn De Valera
3. Dr Bhamjee.

Yours sincerely

R1

drunken_munky52

Rujib1 wrote: »

This thread was started by you Munky, with a stupid and inaccurate statement about the electorate of Clare. You then continue to spout total and utter sh*ite throughout the thread especially about Nama.

Get you facts right and stop polluting cyberspace.

To correct your opening statement, I refer you to the following people elected by Clare people AGAINST the grain of the authorities of the time.

1. Daniel O Connell
2. Eamonn De Valera
3. Dr Bhamjee.

Yours sincerely

R1

I beg to differ... if Clare people elect the likes of Timmy Dooley, then there is something terribely wrong.

Corruption = NAMA

Turtwig

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Corruption = NAMA

I'm sorry that makes no sense whatsoever :
If 'Corruption' is assigned the value of 'NAMA' then that means 'Corruption' is no longer corrupt:p

drunken_munky52

fergusman wrote: »

What the hell are you talking about?
What money?
When you nationalised the banks you took on the debts too, performing and especially nonperforming, there is no money we're still screwed.
Also have you even considered the costs and how complicated the process of creating this superbank would be?
Not to mention our reputation internationally as well as Competition in the sector. Youre also basically shutting down the IFSC and any tax revenues it still generates for this economy.
Also politicians with direct control over who gets funding for new businesses etc. .....thats sure to end well!!!

AAAAAArrrrrrr I give up........ (slams head repeatedly on desk)

Who gives a flying douche about "competition" and "costs"... IRRELEVANT to the needs of people and society

If the ISFC closes, let it be.

Drop the debts, forget they ever exitsed and start a clean sheet... without banks.

Stay tuned into the collective consciousness to preserve the instituations or disconnect that USB cable from the back of your head and come into the real world... blue pill or red pill?

drunken_munky52

Malty_T wrote: »

I'm sorry that makes no sense whatsoever : If corruption is assigned the value of NAMA then that means corruption is no longer corrupt:p

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Turtwig

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Relax will ya, twas a joke;)



Convoluted explanation

drunken_munky52

There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.

fergusman

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Who gives a flying douche about "competition" and "costs"... IRRELEVANT to the needs of people and society

So you prefer that there is only one state provider of everything, no competition, do you have any remote idea of the implications of this?
And Costs are "irrelevent"?
And youre in here arguing about economics?

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

If the ISFC closes, let it be.

Great theres at least 1 billion a year youve cost us no to mention the multiplier effect of the jobs and income this brings into the country. And we now have to pay umemployment benefit to all the newly unemployed workers.

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Drop the debts, forget they ever exitsed and start a clean sheet... without banks.

This makes no sense... Whose debts? the banks to other banks? to developers? to mortgage holders? are you saying that the country just refuses to service its debt?

As I asked earlier what the hell are you talking about?

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Stay tuned into the collective consciousness to preserve the instituations or disconnect that USB cable from the back of your head and come into the real world... blue pill or red pill?

Really, youre reduced to quoting the matrix?
Wow what an argument... there you go again anyone who points out that your argument has giant gaping chasm like holes in it is somehow brainwashed or unenlightened.

(Bangs head on table again, and moans i cant take much more of this)

drunken_munky52

fergusman wrote: »

And Costs are "irrelevent"?

I never said anything about costs... costs what? Paper notes with shiny writing on them stuffed into our wallets? Theres enough paper in the world for everyone to go around... with the inteligent management of our fostery sector we can sunstain a paper supply into the future for eons... we can even give our skinny african poor some good paper, im sure they could trade that paper to a local press who would be able to recycle it into newspapers so skinny african people can read the news... yes, paper is the magic bullet to all our problems

fergusman wrote: »

And we now have to pay umemployment benefit to all the newly unemployed workers.

Unemployed slaves more like.

fergusman wrote: »

This makes no sense... Whose debts? the banks to other banks? to developers? to mortgage holders? are you saying that the country just refuses to service its debt?

Did you know that the words "Mort Gage" is Latin for "Death Grip". And yes, we refuse to service our debt that can never be repaid anyways... like p!ssing into the wind... so whats the point? its never meant to be repaid back and thats the point... keeping millions of people on a hamster wheel working tirelessly, effectively powering an empire...

fergusman wrote: »

Wow what an argument... there you go again anyone who points out that your argument has giant gaping chasm like holes in it is somehow brainwashed or unenlightened.

(Bangs head on table again, and moans i cant take much more of this)

Dont you see yet? You are the one who is brainwashed... you have been duped into your way of thinking from birth, by the institutions that be.

Society today is composed of a series of institutions. From political institutions, legal institutions, religious institutions, to institutions of social class, familial values and occupational specialization. It is obvious the profound influence these traditionalized structures have in shaping our understandings and perspectives.
Yet, of all the social institutions we are born into, directed by and conditioned upon, there seems to be no system as taken for granted and misunderstood as the monetary system.
How money is created, the policies by which it is governed and how it truly affects society are unregistered interests of the great majority of the population.

In a world where 1% of the population owns 40% of the planet's wealth…in a world where over 30,000 children die every single day from the effects of poverty and preventable diseases one thing is clear:
Something is very wrong.

drunken_munky52

The IMF.........



........ a great bunch of lads... look at them there, arn't they great!

The president of the World Bank...



..... a lovely caring looking individual

They look like men who as boys were bullied at school for been nerdy... well there you go, now they can flex their big muscles and turn the bully's life upside down in the flip of a switch...

Are you really going to let yourself be intimidated by despicable looking creatures like this???

Reject NAMA in alls its form and on a footnote, reject Lisbon too as both NAMA and Lisbon serve these horred character's interests at the end of the day.