NAMA - If there wer'e a referendum on it... How would you vote?

fergusman

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Well, my aim would be to see and end to the banking system altogether... but as that is not going to happen in my life time... the banks should be all taken above byt the government first... no flush them down the toilet.

Wipe the slate clean... start fresh

Take all the banks and create one giant govnt superbank... sort out the loans and all the jazz business... let people off the hook etc... take all the wealthy bankers sports cars, house and trophy wives and sell them on Ebay...

Now use all that money to build high speed broadband, hospitals and schools... etc etc

What the hell are you talking about?
What money?
When you nationalised the banks you took on the debts too, performing and especially nonperforming, there is no money we're still screwed.
Also have you even considered the costs and how complicated the process of creating this superbank would be?
Not to mention our reputation internationally as well as Competition in the sector. Youre also basically shutting down the IFSC and any tax revenues it still generates for this economy.
Also politicians with direct control over who gets funding for new businesses etc. .....thats sure to end well!!!

AAAAAArrrrrrr I give up........ (slams head repeatedly on desk)

Rujib1

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Most Clare people historically go with whatever the government tells them is right, but are the people really going to be brain washed by the government telling us this is for our benefit, when really the only people that come out un scaved are the ruling rich elite

This thread was started by you Munky, with a stupid and inaccurate statement about the electorate of Clare. You then continue to spout total and utter sh*ite throughout the thread especially about Nama.

Get you facts right and stop polluting cyberspace.

To correct your opening statement, I refer you to the following people elected by Clare people AGAINST the grain of the authorities of the time.

1. Daniel O Connell
2. Eamonn De Valera
3. Dr Bhamjee.

Yours sincerely

R1

drunken_munky52

Rujib1 wrote: »

This thread was started by you Munky, with a stupid and inaccurate statement about the electorate of Clare. You then continue to spout total and utter sh*ite throughout the thread especially about Nama.

Get you facts right and stop polluting cyberspace.

To correct your opening statement, I refer you to the following people elected by Clare people AGAINST the grain of the authorities of the time.

1. Daniel O Connell
2. Eamonn De Valera
3. Dr Bhamjee.

Yours sincerely

R1

I beg to differ... if Clare people elect the likes of Timmy Dooley, then there is something terribely wrong.

Corruption = NAMA

Turtwig

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Corruption = NAMA

I'm sorry that makes no sense whatsoever :
If 'Corruption' is assigned the value of 'NAMA' then that means 'Corruption' is no longer corrupt:p

drunken_munky52

fergusman wrote: »

What the hell are you talking about?
What money?
When you nationalised the banks you took on the debts too, performing and especially nonperforming, there is no money we're still screwed.
Also have you even considered the costs and how complicated the process of creating this superbank would be?
Not to mention our reputation internationally as well as Competition in the sector. Youre also basically shutting down the IFSC and any tax revenues it still generates for this economy.
Also politicians with direct control over who gets funding for new businesses etc. .....thats sure to end well!!!

AAAAAArrrrrrr I give up........ (slams head repeatedly on desk)

Who gives a flying douche about "competition" and "costs"... IRRELEVANT to the needs of people and society

If the ISFC closes, let it be.

Drop the debts, forget they ever exitsed and start a clean sheet... without banks.

Stay tuned into the collective consciousness to preserve the instituations or disconnect that USB cable from the back of your head and come into the real world... blue pill or red pill?

drunken_munky52

Malty_T wrote: »

I'm sorry that makes no sense whatsoever : If corruption is assigned the value of NAMA then that means corruption is no longer corrupt:p

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Turtwig

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.

Relax will ya, twas a joke;)



Convoluted explanation

drunken_munky52

There are two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.

fergusman

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Who gives a flying douche about "competition" and "costs"... IRRELEVANT to the needs of people and society

So you prefer that there is only one state provider of everything, no competition, do you have any remote idea of the implications of this?
And Costs are "irrelevent"?
And youre in here arguing about economics?

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

If the ISFC closes, let it be.

Great theres at least 1 billion a year youve cost us no to mention the multiplier effect of the jobs and income this brings into the country. And we now have to pay umemployment benefit to all the newly unemployed workers.

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Drop the debts, forget they ever exitsed and start a clean sheet... without banks.

This makes no sense... Whose debts? the banks to other banks? to developers? to mortgage holders? are you saying that the country just refuses to service its debt?

As I asked earlier what the hell are you talking about?

drunken_munky52 wrote: »

Stay tuned into the collective consciousness to preserve the instituations or disconnect that USB cable from the back of your head and come into the real world... blue pill or red pill?

Really, youre reduced to quoting the matrix?
Wow what an argument... there you go again anyone who points out that your argument has giant gaping chasm like holes in it is somehow brainwashed or unenlightened.

(Bangs head on table again, and moans i cant take much more of this)

drunken_munky52

fergusman wrote: »

And Costs are "irrelevent"?

I never said anything about costs... costs what? Paper notes with shiny writing on them stuffed into our wallets? Theres enough paper in the world for everyone to go around... with the inteligent management of our fostery sector we can sunstain a paper supply into the future for eons... we can even give our skinny african poor some good paper, im sure they could trade that paper to a local press who would be able to recycle it into newspapers so skinny african people can read the news... yes, paper is the magic bullet to all our problems

fergusman wrote: »

And we now have to pay umemployment benefit to all the newly unemployed workers.

Unemployed slaves more like.

fergusman wrote: »

This makes no sense... Whose debts? the banks to other banks? to developers? to mortgage holders? are you saying that the country just refuses to service its debt?

Did you know that the words "Mort Gage" is Latin for "Death Grip". And yes, we refuse to service our debt that can never be repaid anyways... like p!ssing into the wind... so whats the point? its never meant to be repaid back and thats the point... keeping millions of people on a hamster wheel working tirelessly, effectively powering an empire...

fergusman wrote: »

Wow what an argument... there you go again anyone who points out that your argument has giant gaping chasm like holes in it is somehow brainwashed or unenlightened.

(Bangs head on table again, and moans i cant take much more of this)

Dont you see yet? You are the one who is brainwashed... you have been duped into your way of thinking from birth, by the institutions that be.

Society today is composed of a series of institutions. From political institutions, legal institutions, religious institutions, to institutions of social class, familial values and occupational specialization. It is obvious the profound influence these traditionalized structures have in shaping our understandings and perspectives.
Yet, of all the social institutions we are born into, directed by and conditioned upon, there seems to be no system as taken for granted and misunderstood as the monetary system.
How money is created, the policies by which it is governed and how it truly affects society are unregistered interests of the great majority of the population.

In a world where 1% of the population owns 40% of the planet's wealth…in a world where over 30,000 children die every single day from the effects of poverty and preventable diseases one thing is clear:
Something is very wrong.

drunken_munky52

The IMF.........



........ a great bunch of lads... look at them there, arn't they great!

The president of the World Bank...



..... a lovely caring looking individual

They look like men who as boys were bullied at school for been nerdy... well there you go, now they can flex their big muscles and turn the bully's life upside down in the flip of a switch...

Are you really going to let yourself be intimidated by despicable looking creatures like this???

Reject NAMA in alls its form and on a footnote, reject Lisbon too as both NAMA and Lisbon serve these horred character's interests at the end of the day.