negative edge,

animaX

A-Trak wrote: »

If I did how would these be filled does anyone know?

As bush says you could get button plugs. You could ask kiki to get you two, he's making an order with akihabarashop

FutureGuy

I'm late to the party...leave pad players map KKK and PPP and nothing more. Ban all turbo/mapping for stick users. IMO.

animaX

FutureGuy wrote: »

Ban all turbo/mapping for stick users

I think the whole argument was about turbo for a pad user!!

Kirby

indeed. You can piano tap on a stick, because you can use all your fingers. With a pad, you cant because its just your thumb. Imo, turbo just levels the playing field as Azza would say.

Placebo

on a completley diffent topic, over thinking here,
if pad users find it so difficult to do PPP then mayeb the should move to stick?
Stick users use stick for easier execution right?

but thats just being pedantic, just a thought, for the FUTURE

Dreddybajs

Kirby wrote: »

indeed. You can piano tap on a stick, because you can use all your fingers. With a pad, you cant because its just your thumb. Imo, turbo just levels the playing field as Azza would say.

I have no idea what you mean about this man - I thought you were talking about getting an ultra out, in which case it's impossible to piano on any controller because it's all 3 buttons. Also there are plenty of pro tekken players who play claw-style on pad.

A-Trak

Kirby wrote: »

indeed. You can piano tap on a stick, because you can use all your fingers. With a pad, you cant because its just your thumb. Imo, turbo just levels the playing field as Azza would say.

That's nonsense TBH. You choose to use pad though. No one forces anyone to use a pad or stick.
Its all about personal choice. And if you use a pad, you shouldn't receive any concessions over stick players because you deem a pad to be at a disadvantage vs. a stick.

Dreddybajs

RopeDrink wrote: »

And how would all this fly when you talk Keyboard?
Just curious... I know it wouldn't exactly need to be brought up because anyone who has any remote intention of playing SF4 with a smidgen of seriousness would have a Stick/Pad, but let's just say I trot along and claim I can't play without a Keyboard... Would people shoot me for using PPP/KKK even though the only version I've ever played effectively allows us to bind those keys?

:cool:

Kirby's the only person suggesting PPP/KKK be banned (and is only doing so hypothetically -as far as I can tell, no offence Kirby if otherwise- as an argument against the banning of turbo). I don't think anyone here has a problem with people using PPP/KKK. Azza and A-trak have posted already that they used/use the PPP/KKK buttons, and I'm pretty sure others do/did too and nobody ever had a problem with it at any of the meetups.

edit: The only possible reason I'd have against it is if, with Boxer, you can hold down KKK and still have access to all six buttons - normally when charging a TAP you have significantly less access to the other buttons. Even then though I'd be happy to let it fly.

chopperbyrne

Fairly certain pressing a punch/kick button while holding PPP/KKK for TAP would count as releasing the button press.

Dreddybajs

Yeah, I'd hope so - just haven't tested it and figured I'd point out pretty much the only possibility I'd be against the bind.

chopperbyrne

Just tested it.

It doesn't count as letting go of PPP/KKK, but the individual buttons simply do not work while PPP/KKK is held down.

Cunny-Funt

I just like to give my opinion here. Kirby you let me use your pad last Saturday and I couldn't hold focus cause you had turbo on. It would have been pretty rude of me to speak my mind then. But eh yeah I was thinking "He's using turbo?? Uh-oooooh "

I've been involved in a few of these discussions over the years. I've always seen using turbo features in Street fighter as cheating, even since I was a kid.

Why the hell they add turbo features to the sticks and pads is always a questions I've asked.

I use a PS3 pad, and sure I can't do the piano motions, but I'm happy they let me map ppp kkk and give me the option to map grabs as well although I don't use it.

I was always under the impression, the whole reason the 6 button layout was "better" for controllers, was cause people could then use them with there fingers instead of their thumbs. Thus they can do things such as the piano key.

Imo... if your using your thumbs, then I think the PS3 pad would actually be better thanks to the shoulder buttons. You can press more buttons at the same time then you can on the madcatz pad. The reason I never got a madcatz pad was due to them not having 4 shoulder buttons. Only 2, and I didnt plan to use my fingers instead of my thumbs.


So yeah to sum my opinions on this topic up:

Tubro = big no no, no matter what controller you use.

As for mapping buttons? As far as I'm concerned mapping what ever the game lets you map is fair game no matter what controller you use, yes even the stick. I don't think it should be banned, should be up to the stick user if he wants to map or not.

(Off topic, yo ropedrink, you might be interested in this thread on SRK http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=206343 )

Owwmykneecap

Pianoing barely works in this bloody game anyway, the windows are so wide you end up with ex moves all the ****ing time.

Cunny-Funt

RopeDrink wrote: »

Er, thanks, though there's nothing noteworthy there for me, really.

Oh right sorry. well I dunno if you play anyone else but balrog but I posted it just in case it came in handy for yea. When I played a lot of 3s I fought many damn good keyboard warriors :pac: So I never saw the keyboard as being all that terrible at all and as I said I consider it better than the 360 pad for sure.

But it seems it is considered better then a pad by many so I guess looking at it as a disability might not be such an accurate thing to do at all. I know for sure when someone with a stick beats me, the thought of "well I'm only using a pad" never occurs to me. Having said that though I do feel I've hit a wall and am planning on going the way of the stick in the hope it'll improve my execution and general enjoyment of the game.

Cunny-Funt

About your videos btw ropedrink, I couldnt help but notice....they're speeded up aint they? :P 110% in premeire or something?

Kirby

I think thats more a feature of youtube than his editing. I think its due to the compression they use, but quite alot of vids are "slighlty" sped up.

Cunny-Funt

I've a bit of experience in this area, what can happen with youtube alright is video desync with the audio due to having a different frame rate to youtubes standard 30fps so when youtube converts it things mess up.

But it was actually the audio in ropedrinks vids that I 1st noticed, its at a slightly higher pitch and faster tempo, to which the video matches. I've heard that annoying announcer at the start of matches so many times at this stage that I noticed that slight difference there, its only ever so slightly faster then normal.

I'm gonna assume its due to ropedrinks recordings being slower then normal as he mentioned before due to the 30 fps or something so he speeded it up in premiere to try and have it moving right. I've done similar things before myself.

Of course I could be totally wrong though

L31mr0d

chopperbyrne wrote: »

while holding PPP/KKK for TAP

The bolded text, been meaning to ask this, and it's not in any of the glossaries I've found, but what does TAP stand for?

blag

L31mr0d wrote: »

The bolded text, been meaning to ask this, and it's not in any of the glossaries I've found, but what does TAP stand for?

TAP =Balrog's Turn Around Punch,the one you charge 3p/3k for.

Cunny-Funt

Yeah that 10min youtube thing can be a bitch, at least its not limited to 100mb anymore I guess hehe.

I've been cheeky with some of my vids, you can pretty much nick an extra minute on there so its really an 11min limit. Try to time the vid to 10:59 and it should work, although one of my vids does register as 11:00 on youtube and all and still works. That extra 59/60 seconds can be a lifesaver sometimes.