The Angelus

CDfm · 21-09-2009 3:26pm

The Prophet wrote: »

It's this kind of casual apathetic (not to mention point-missing) attitude to the so-called 'small' nods to religious privilege in this country that helps the continued coddling of religion as a larger whole.

I don't think its a small nod nor is it coddling.

Its there because it was representative of Irish society.

The support for it is also greater than the opposition to it.

Flamed Diving · 21-09-2009 4:27pm

CDfm wrote: »

I don't think its a small nod nor is it coddling.

Its there because it was representative of Irish society.

The support for it is also greater than the opposition to it.

Article 44 of the Irish Constitution[FONT=Verdana,Verdana][FONT=Verdana,Verdana]
2° The State guarantees not to endow any religion.
[/FONT][/FONT]

RTÉ are a state broadcaster.

The Angelus is an endowment, or does the church pay for this transmission? If not, why do we not also have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlLaUCAQlQQ

CDfm · 21-09-2009 4:41pm

Article 44 of the Irish Constitution

2° The State guarantees not to endow any religion.

Theres your answer -Catholicism isn't just any religion:D

Flamed Diving · 21-09-2009 6:24pm

CDfm wrote: »

Theres your answer -Catholicism isn't just any religion:D

Game, set and match, Flamed Diving.

CDfm · 21-09-2009 9:05pm

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Game, set and match, Flamed Diving.

See below - checkmate

EVENING

18:00
The Angelus
(Factual)
http://listings.wicklowpeople.ie/tv-radio/tv/1

Dades · 21-09-2009 9:27pm

CDfm wrote: »

(Factual)

wtf?!

CDfm · 21-09-2009 9:46pm

Dades wrote: »

wtf?!

i thought that was a nice touch:)

Flamed Diving · 21-09-2009 10:01pm

At least they have a sense of humour down at RTÉ.

Iwasfrozen · 21-09-2009 10:06pm

Flamed Diving wrote: »

At least they have a sense of humour down at RTÉ.

It is factual, the angelus bell is actually ringing. They aren't making the bell up so it's factual.

Antbert · 22-09-2009 12:24pm

CDfm wrote: »

I don't think its a small nod nor is it coddling.

Its there because it was representative of Irish society.

The support for it is also greater than the opposition to it.

Well it shouldn't be! That's the whole point! It shouldn't be representative because the state is not supposed to endow any religion. The fact that it MAY (though I extremely doubt it) have majority support (indifference does not equal support) shouldn't matter.

Kudos on the factual argument though.

CDfm · 22-09-2009 12:59pm

Antbert wrote: »

Well it shouldn't be! That's the whole point! It shouldn't be representative because the state is not supposed to endow any religion.

Kudos on the factual argument though.

Thanks

I see both sides.

I imagine the legislation that created RTE has it formated as a semi-state company and that its board is independent - justifies its stance and in that way its not the state.

I wouldnt watch RTE - g/f tuned in to the Apprentice and it was embarressingly bad.

Splendour · 25-09-2009 9:49am

Flamed Diving wrote: »

RTÉ are a state broadcaster.

The Angelus is an endowment, or does the church pay for this transmission? If not, why do we not also have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlLaUCAQlQQ

I think there's a tab bit of difference between the above and the Angelus! If the Muslim call to prayer was shown on TV, I wouldn't exactly welcome it but nor would I care too much, as just like the Angelus, I can simply switch it off.
However, I would object to it being broadcast outside as it is extremely noisy and distracting!

The Mad Hatter · 25-09-2009 10:28am

Splendour wrote: »

I think there's a tab bit of difference between the above and the Angelus! If the Muslim call to prayer was shown on TV, I wouldn't exactly welcome it but nor would I care too much, as just like the Angelus, I can simply switch it off.
However, I would object to it being broadcast outside as it is extremely noisy and distracting!

BONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

CDfm · 25-09-2009 10:38am

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

BONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

A natural atheist reaction on discovering that the word Goodbye is a truncated version of the phrase " God-be-with-you" (true)

The Mad Hatter · 25-09-2009 12:10pm

CDfm wrote: »

A natural atheist reaction on discovering that the word Goodbye is a truncated version of the phrase " God-be-with-you" (true)

Neat, but not entirely sure what it has to do with anything...

Words often move far from their roots. The Texan "So long" comes from the Irish "slán."

CDfm · 25-09-2009 12:14pm

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Neat, but not entirely sure what it has to do with anything...

Me neither but it seemed to fit:rolleyes:

Flamed Diving · 25-09-2009 1:22pm

Splendour wrote: »

I think there's a tab bit of difference between the above and the Angelus!

No, there isn't really. That is kinda the point.

Splendour · 25-09-2009 1:44pm

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

BONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

Eh,are you aka Quasimodo?!!

Splendour · 25-09-2009 1:45pm

Flamed Diving wrote: »

No, there isn't really. That is kinda the point.

On TV there isn't. Broadcast publicly, there is...

Flamed Diving · 26-09-2009 5:21pm

Splendour wrote: »

On TV there isn't. Broadcast publicly, there is...

What is the difference between the two? You do realise that broadcasting on a public TV channel is what we are discussing here?

Think.

CDfm · 26-09-2009 7:17pm

Flamed Diving wrote: »

What is the difference between the two? You do realise that broadcasting on a public TV channel is what we are discussing here?

Think.

All TV & radio broadcasting is licenced and regulated in some way.

Flamed Diving · 26-09-2009 7:25pm

CDfm wrote: »

All TV & radio broadcasting is licenced and regulated in some way.

Good to know.

CDfm · 26-09-2009 7:30pm

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Good to know.

I just wonder what conditions are attatched to the licences on broadcasting religion or how it operates.

Flamed Diving · 26-09-2009 7:43pm

Well, it appears that the government directly issues RTÉ's charter:

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/Press+Releases/2004/Dermot+Ahern+Publishes+RTE+Charter.htm

Disappointingly, many of the links on that site are broken...

MetalDawg · 26-09-2009 9:19pm

Everytime I hear the Angelus bell start, I air guitar to AC/DC's "Hells Bells" or Metallica's "For Whom the Bell Tolls" just for sh*ts and giggles.

:D:D

Splendour · 26-09-2009 10:08pm

Flamed Diving wrote: »

What is the difference between the two? You do realise that broadcasting on a public TV channel is what we are discussing here?

Think.

Think- it was you who brought up the Islamic call to prayer; outdoor public broadcasting that is.

Flamed Diving · 26-09-2009 10:27pm

Splendour wrote: »

Think- it was you who brought up the Islamic call to prayer; outdoor public broadcasting that is.

Splendour. I provided a televised broadcast of the Adhan. TV, Splendour. TV. I don't care about whether it is performed in public space. We are talking about TV, Splendour. In particular, we are talking about the state broadcaster, RTÉ. TV, Splendour. TV. Broadcasting just one particular religious ceremony on state TV is positive discrimination, Splendour. TV. Not what happens in public space. TV. TV.

Stop pretending that you don't get this. It's ridiculous.

CDfm · 26-09-2009 10:42pm

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Splendour. I provided a televised broadcast of the Adhan. TV, Splendour. TV. I don't care about whether it is performed in public space. We are talking about TV, Splendour. In particular, we are talking about the state broadcaster, RTÉ. TV, Splendour. TV.

Here is a link to a history of the events http://www.rte.ie/laweb/brc/brc_1950s_a.html

The Angelus was first broadcast in 1950 , the Government in Power was a coalition and included Noel Browne as Minister for Health and an atheist.

Flamed Diving · 26-09-2009 10:48pm

CDfm wrote: »

Here is a link to a history of the events http://www.rte.ie/laweb/brc/brc_1950s_a.html

The Angelus was first broadcast in 1950 , the Government in Power was a coalition and included Noel Browne as Minister for Health and an atheist.

Interesting, so the Angelus was put in place before the amendment to the constitution which removed the Roman Catholic Churchs position of dominance in Irish society. Therefore, it is a hangover of less enlightened period in Irish history. Now that we live in a society with a great many beliefs, surely now is the time to begin rolling back these relics of antiquity. Or should we continue with the discrimination?

Slugs · 26-09-2009 10:53pm

I think there's a huge difference between calling people to prayer from a PLACE OF WORSHIP, and calling people to prayer on a PUBLIC TELEVISION CHANNEL. I don't care what channel it is, if it trying to remain unbiased, and sympathetic to all religions, and is funded by OUR TV LICENCES, then it should be removed. Simple as that.

The Angelus

Comments