EU insider quotes...I am now voting...

markomongo

Here are some very interesting points I have found that may help some 'not sures' out there. After reading these the content of the treaty (to me) becomes almost irrelevant. My mind has been swayed to the No side. What do you all think?

“The Constitution is the capstone of a EuropeanFederalState”
- Guy Verhofstadt, Belgian Prime Minister, Financial Times, 21 June 2004

“The good thing about not calling it a Constitution is that no one can ask for a referendum on it.”
- Giuliano Amato, speech at London School of Econmics, 21 February 2007

“The aim of the Constitutional Treaty was to be more readable; the aim of this treaty is to be unreadable… The Constitution aimed to be clear, whereas this treaty had to be unclear. It is a success.”
- Karel de Gucht, Belgian Foreign Minister, Flandreinfo, 23 June 2007

“Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly” … “All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way.”
- V.Giscard D’Estaing, Le Monde, 14 June 2007, and Sunday Telegraph, 1 July 2007

“They decided that the document should be unreadable. If it is unreadable, it is not constitutional, that was the sort of perception. Where they got this perception from is a mystery to me. In order to make our citizens happy, to produce a document that they will never understand! But, there is some truth [in it]. Because if this is the kind of document that the IGC will produce, any Prime Minister - imagine the UK Prime Minister - can go to the Commons and say ‘Look, you see, it’s absolutely unreadable, it’s the typical Brussels treaty, nothing new, no need for a referendum.’ Should you succeed in understanding it at first sight there might be some reason for a referendum, because it would mean that there is something new.”
- Giuliano Amato, former Italian Prime Minister and Vice-Chairman of the Convention which drew up the EU Constitution, recorded by Open Europe, The Centre for European Reform, London, 12 July 2007

“The difference between the original Constitution and the present Lisbon Treaty is one of approach, rather than content … the proposals in the original constitutional treaty are practically unchanged. They have simply been dispersed through old treaties in the form of amendments. Why this subtle change? Above all, to head off any threat of referenda by avoiding any form of constitutional vocabulary … But lift the lid and look in the toolbox: all the same innovative and effective tools are there, just as they were carefully crafted by the European Convention.”
- V.Giscard D’Estaing, former French President and Chairman of the Convention which drew u the EU Constitution, The Independent, London, 30 October 2007

I believe this paints a clear picture of the intent and direction of Europe as a whole, post-lisbon if it is voted in.

These are just some of the 'more important' quotes from the article in question. You can find the rest here-http://nationalplatform.wordpress.com/category/quotes/

Kalashnikov_Kid

Yes, I think I shall view reading the Treaty as irrelevent, and choose to form my opinion based on this nice selection of unreferenced (and probably paraphrased/misquoted) 'quotes' instead. Oh and upon reading that link to that unaccountable blogsite representing itself as a Lisbon Treaty update service, my mind is made up already...

Snooooze

Scofflaw

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

Yes, I think I shall view reading the Treaty as irrelevent, and choose to form my opinion based on this nice selection of unreferenced (and probably paraphrased/misquoted) 'quotes' instead. Oh and upon reading that link to that unaccountable blogsite representing itself as a Lisbon Treaty update service, my mind is made up already...

Snooooze

It's by Anthony Coughlan, and anyone who wants to read those quotes can just go back to the threads from last year.

This kind of thread isn't an attempt to start a debate, it's political canvassing. Markomongo is a No proponent as per his previous posts, not an undecided trying hard to find the truth as he pretends in the OP. Banned.

moderately,
Scofflaw

nesf

markomongo wrote: »

My mind has been swayed to the No side. What do you all think?

Your previous posts on this forum make it very clear that you haven't been swayed to the No side any time recently. Please desist from painting yourself as a "floating voter" in order to better sell your message it's disingenuous and very easy for us to spot.