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THE GUIDELINES!!!
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Folks,
Please stop ripping one another about the content of the "Olympic" list.
As far as it goes it allows the most commonly used .22 pistols to continue in competition. Debating which pistols could/would be used in the Olympics is counter-productive and damages what's left of pistol shooting in the country. ISSF shooting has its rules as to barrel length, sight radius, trigger weight etc. and those rules will be applied to official ISSF competitions - ok;)
Otherwise, enjoy .22 pistol competitions with a guideline list which is more extensive than the one expected:)0 -
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Could I just put in a word for the ignored and dismissed air pistol? More than anything else, it is the best and cheapest way to learn pistol shooting.It is probably a good thing that the list is that extensive, I would like to get back into pistol shooting but with the furore over centrefire and the high cost of ammo I am glad I waited.
This way at least Joe average can try pistol without having to mortgage his house for ammo and pistol.
Cheap shooting means more rounds downrange and (should) lead to better accuracy, in the long run we might find some more people that are good enough to shoot in the Olympics simply by virtue of more people getting into shooting pistol.
I know it's coming up to the full moon but the carry-on here is rediculous.:rolleyes:
now who sells Buckmarks here, anyone?
You don't even need a big range
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Could we maybe clean up this thread and start a different one for the arguing please as this is all rather important.
I got two questions.
1. If you apply for a rifle, say a .223, good reason being shooting foxes to protect lambs and fowl. You don't have a moderator for that rifle but you tick on the same application form as the rifle that you are also applying for a moderator. The question is this, if the silencer is refused, will the rifle also be refused given it's the same application?
2. I have three firearms. If I apply and am granted a .22lr rimfire moderator and a .223 centrefire moderator, will the addition to my cabinet of two moderators now move me up a category in the security stakes?
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Maybe this is a silly question. I've tried to wade through the ActCould I just put in a word for the ignored and dismissed air pistol? More than anything else, it is the best and cheapest way to learn pistol shooting.
You don't even need a big range
Is it an offence to discharge a target rifle or pistol (I'm talking air rifle or pistol, but suspect it doesn't matter) not on a range?
Given that you don't need a big range and in theory it could be possible to train indoors on your own property. For those of us that live over 100 miles away from 10m facilities and would like to be able to train a couple of times a week rather than once a month if we're lucky.
Given that the decision on air pistol certs is reverting to the same Super that issued licences previously (in each district). And my local Garda told me the local Super was totally anti pistol cert issuing 18 months ago, I guess there isn't much point in me trying to get one now either! 0 -
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Maybe this is a silly question. I've tried to wade through the Act
Is it an offence to discharge a target rifle or pistol (I'm talking air rifle or pistol, but suspect it doesn't matter) not on a range?
Given that you don't need a big range and in theory it could be possible to train indoors on your own property. For those of us that live over 100 miles away from 10m facilities and would like to be able to train a couple of times a week rather than once a month if we're lucky.
Given that the decision on air pistol certs is reverting to the same Super that issued licences previously (in each district). And my local Garda told me the local Super was totally anti pistol cert issuing 18 months ago, I guess there isn't much point in me trying to get one now either!
i think it might be true , which is daft as i and a lot of people i know use ordinary sporter rifles for silhoulette shooting and to bash bunnys and vermin , if the licence was granted for target use then i think it is an offence.0 -
On the form.
It's a tick box on the form which means its a tick box on the licence. You won't get a seperate licence for it.
I made that last bit up myself
But I bet I'm right to the same degree of certainty that said 4'ish of a Friday
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It's Dermot Ahearn, it's Dernot Ahearn!
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Well, I see where you're coming from, it's just that the guidelines talk about applying seperately for one at the bottom of AnnexOn the form.
It's a tick box on the form which means its a tick box on the licence. You won't get a seperate licence for it.
Plus, these are just guidelines, they can't overrule the Act, the SIs, or a Super who wants to do something other than what's in them.When an applicant is applying for a firearm certificate, the application should include whether or not a silencer is being sought for that particular firearm. A subsequent application for a silencer will require the applicant to re apply on a new application form FCA1 and will require the full €80 fee.
So if the Super writes you an authorisation, it's all above board and legal; unlike, say, if he'd written you an authorisation for a .223 silencer after the first restricted firearms SI was issued.0 -
As you say though, they're just guidelines. But assuming it's the correct way to go about applying for a silencer in mid stream, surely at the next renewal, it's back to the tick box and presumably the same on the licence.Well, I see where you're coming from, it's just that the guidelines talk about applying seperately for one at the bottom of Annex
Of all the parts of the new legislation, this would be one of the most elegant solutions.0 -
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A few intresting points.
No mention of restricted ammo IE shotgun slugs.No who ,what, when, where or why they may be used.
Clanger on the big game calibres,they have 300Win down as a big game calibre.Smaller than the .308,which is a max calibre...So is the 300Win Mag suddenly now more dangerous????
Finally nailed their colors on the practical shooting,which leaves it wide open to a good solicitor to drive a fleet of trucks thru it.Defining it as combat or stimulated combat training with firearms.Which IPSC was never about.This hasnt gone away you know.:p
No "good reason" given why semi auto rifles are "more dangerous" than normal rifles.Does this also mean that rifles like the Steyr SSG police model or the Remington M20 police model,or Sako TRG are more dangerous than their wood stocked brothers???After all they are now in the defination of tactical/military/ police???Also I would like to see somone shoot clays with a semi rifle.According to the guidelines.:)
Also on the point,there are VERY FEW bolt action rifles in LEFT HANDED configuration.There a good few rifles in semi that are easily converted to left hand shooting.So it is a pertinent point to be noted as well.If you are a Lefty that is.:) Not much mention of lever or pump action rifles either.
And WTF is a semiauto calibre,or a folding stock bullpup rifle??:eek:
Ditto this nonsense of a prominent pistol grip on shotguns.May I draw everyones attention to the following.there are certain DTL trap guns based on the Remington1100/1187 that DO have a prominent unconvential pistol grip,and belive it or not, they do shoot very well.So just cevat emptor on that one.Also on pumps,replacing the slide,with a vertical grip does improve shooting speed on clays,for some big handed people like me,some fwdconventional grips are not an option.
Hmmm,so now a Remington 1187,etc because it has a pistol gripped straight stock,24in barrel and a mag extension,and a different finish[usually uglier] and the words" police" or "tactical" hung on the end is now suddenly more dangerous that its civillin cousin with the wooden stock, better finish ,24in barrel,and mag extension and the words "deer slayer" hung on its end???
Looooonnnneeeeyyyyy!:rolleyes:"If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."
Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "
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No it's not. There's nothing in the law that says you can't use your firearm for another purpose (for example a .22 target rifle for bunny bashing) or a CZ sporting rifle on a range.Maybe this is a silly question. I've tried to wade through the Act
Is it an offence to discharge a target rifle or pistol (I'm talking air rifle or pistol, but suspect it doesn't matter) not on a range?
You need to look at the definition of a range in the draft ranges SI, if you can't find it, here's a quote: ""shooting range" means a place at which the discharge of firearms takes place for the purpose of target practice or target shooting," There is a formal element to that definition that implies more than one person and a dedicated place.Given that you don't need a big range and in theory it could be possible to train indoors on your own property. For those of us that live over 100 miles away from 10m facilities and would like to be able to train a couple of times a week rather than once a month if we're lucky.
Put it this way, I'd make sure it wasn't a permanent set up and wouldn't start having matches there, but on an informal basis especially with airguns, I can't see a major problem. There isn't an airgun range spec in the draft anyway, so it may not come into the equation in any case.
Whyever not? Unless you're a disentitled person, the Super's foibles aren't catered for in the Firearms Acts.And my local Garda told me the local Super was totally anti pistol cert issuing 18 months ago, I guess there isn't much point in me trying to get one now either!0 -
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That was in the Act Grizzly, it's in section 33 (the very last subsection if I remember correctly) and the IPSC constitution says: "Courses of Fire must follow a practical rationale, and simulate sensible hypothetical situations in which firearms might reasonably be used." so I'm not sure how much traction a solicitor would have with that.Grizzly 45 wrote: »Finally nailed their colors on the practical shooting,which leaves it wide open to a good solicitor to drive a fleet of trucks thru it.Defining it as combat or stimulated combat training with firearms.Which IPSC was never about.This hasnt gone away you know.:p
Well it says semi-automatic centrefire calibres which is correct as all centrefire semi-autos are restricted. It's just written a bit bass-ackwards.And WTF is a semiauto calibre,or a folding stock bullpup rifle??:eek: 0
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