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THE GUIDELINES!!!
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i think its just aherns predjudice's put into law , i don't like the look of this type of gun or sport in the case of practical pistol etc so lets sign it into law , he has to leave something so he leaves olympic pistol which lets face it isn't the most exciting sport in the world .Grizzly 45 wrote: »A few intresting points.
No mention of restricted ammo IE shotgun slugs.No who ,what, when, where or why they may be used.
Clanger on the big game calibres,they have 300Win down as a big game calibre.Smaller than the .308,which is a max calibre...So is the 300Win Mag suddenly now more dangerous????
Finally nailed their colors on the practical shooting,which leaves it wide open to a good solicitor to drive a fleet of trucks thru it.Defining it as combat or stimulated combat training with firearms.Which IPSC was never about.This hasnt gone away you know.:p
No "good reason" given why semi auto rifles are "more dangerous" than normal rifles.Does this also mean that rifles like the Steyr SSG police model or the Remington M20 police model,or Sako TRG are more dangerous than their wood stocked brothers???After all they are now in the defination of tactical/military/ police???Also I would like to see somone shoot clays with a semi rifle.According to the guidelines.:)
Also on the point,there are VERY FEW bolt action rifles in LEFT HANDED configuration.There a good few rifles in semi that are easily converted to left hand shooting.So it is a pertinent point to be noted as well.If you are a Lefty that is.:) Not much mention of lever or pump action rifles either.
And WTF is a semiauto calibre,or a folding stock bullpup rifle??:eek:
Ditto this nonsense of a prominent pistol grip on shotguns.May I draw everyones attention to the following.there are certain DTL trap guns based on the Remington1100/1187 that DO have a prominent unconvential pistol grip,and belive it or not, they do shoot very well.So just cevat emptor on that one.Also on pumps,replacing the slide,with a vertical grip does improve shooting speed on clays,for some big handed people like me,some fwd grips are not an option.
what makes me laugh is the statement that "pistol grip or folding stocks are dangerous" according to whom ? some bureaucrat in an office somewhere ? where is the tangable evidence that these types of stocks are "more dangerous" ?0 -
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Those (M) and (C) designations are very confusing and unhelpful. It would be far easier if they just went "In the case of substitutions go to section 2.5" etc. so that people would be able to follow the form easily.There's no (m) so it's not Mandatory in all cases; but it is required for all new applications for a firearm, which means all of us, you included, have to fill this out. And that's straight from the FPU this afternoon.
Sparks, I'd go and talk to my Super about my GP if I was worried about it. He's the persona designata and he can decide what info he wants from you. At least if you've spoken to him and explained the situation, he can't then arrest you for not filling the form in truthfully.
The other alternative is to list all the GP's you've visited in the time since you've reached majority and let them work out which one(s) to contact.
Failing all that, I'll give you my sister-in-laws name and address and since she's a forensic psychiatrist, they'll be sure to take her word.
As they put the nice jacket on you and wheel you away on the hand cart with the muzzle on.0 -
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[quote=rrpc;61959233]That was in the Act Grizzly, it's in section 33 (the very last subsection if I remember correctly) and the IPSC constitution says: "Courses of Fire must follow a practical rationale, and simulate sensible hypothetical situations in which firearms might reasonably be used." so I'm not sure how much traction a solicitor would have with that.
Indeed it does RR.BUT it does not say the hypothetical situation must be:
SITREPP:Liquor store robbery gone bad ,6hostages taken,perps are armed with a firearms,belived to be handguns.Effect a dynamic entry thru the window doing a side roll and engage all hostile targets with minimum double taps,centre mass,effect a reload under suitable cover.Recover HOSTAGE DOWN dummy[weight 120lbs] with your strong firing hand.Engage with weak hand two remaining pop up targets,exiting the range.
THAT is a COMBAT situation.I've yet to come across such a set up in a IPSC match.A BG or police training situation no problem.
IPSC avoids this whole thing studiously...
IPSC situation...On the command of READY,shooter will pick up pistol and load one full mag from the sitting position at the table and chair.Shooter will then engage all steel plates .Once finished will show unloaded and clear.Totally different,
As I said a good lawyer will be able to punch huge holes in this.
Point is their defination is wholly incorrect of what practical or dynamic shooting is.You could call it "Vienna Waltz" pistol shooting,and solong as it avoids movement of THE SHOOTER or according to this "combat training."[Not much of that done sitting down,or standing]Well it says semi-automatic centrefire calibres which is correct as all centrefire semi-autos are restricted. It's just written a bit bass-ackwards.
As usual.BUT it seems that they are on more about Military looking semi auto rifles that need special attention.
What about yokes like the mini 14,in it's std config with a 5/10 shot mag.or the Remington/Browning/Mauser,etc etc hunting style,normal semi looking rifles??Alot more accruate and in a very wide selection of calibres."If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."
Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "
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Especially when the (M) on the medical section has been left out and is instead implied from the statement underneath that filling this out is how you give permission to the Gardai to check your medical records (instead of this being a seperate tick box).Those (M) and (C) designations are very confusing and unhelpful.
That's my plan, but I can't help but think I'm not that special. Others must have this hassle as well, and it'd be nice for there to be a standard solution to the problem.Sparks, I'd go and talk to my Super about my GP if I was worried about it.
We really need to find out if that's still true anymore.He's the persona designata
It'd be a bit of a shock for them I'd imagine - some guy walks in off the street into your walk-in clinic, gets a prescription for dermatitis cream, walks back out after six minutes and ten years later you're asked to give the Gardai access to his complete medical records and to evaluate his mental health for the next three years?The other alternative is to list all the GP's you've visited in the time since you've reached majority and let them work out which one(s) to contact.
I wonder what the AGP thought about all this?
You'd hope not - if she's a psychiatrist, she's the wrong kind of shrink for what they want. It'd be like asking a hammer if something looked like a nail!Failing all that, I'll give you my sister-in-laws name and address and since she's a forensic psychiatrist, they'll be sure to take her word.0 -
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So Stephen, if I eat just rabbit, I'll die of malnutrition?Actually it's not. As long as you've been target shooting as well. There is nothing in the act that says that you have only one use.
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Yeah, if you're John Woo. Otherwise, it's the explanation on your insurance claim as to why you removed all the skin from your forearms with a plate glass windowGrizzly 45 wrote: »Effect a dynamic entry thru the window doing a side roll and engage all hostile targets with minimum double taps...
THAT is a COMBAT situation. 0 -
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I completely agree with you; but that's not what I was talking aboutBornToKill wrote: »Section 4(3) says that 'an applicant shall supply to the information requested in the application form'. They've requested that you supply GP details and consent to make enquiries. The 'shall' imposes a perogative for the items listed a-d in this section. There is a sub-clause permitting the issuing person to ask for such other information as they may require. That would also be mandatory.
I was saying that 4(3) in the Act doesn't make it mandatory to provide your medical details; it makes it mandatory to provide what the Gardai ask for.
In this case, the Gardai ask for your GP, so you have to provide it.
The point was that it's that Gardai that are the reason why it's mandatory, not the Act.
That's important because (a) it's now policy, not statute that makes it mandatory - if the Gardai don't ask for it, it's no longer mandatory; and (b) if it's on an application form like this, that's a blanket precondition and that's a no-no under the Dunne -v- Donohue ruling from the Supreme Court, because the issuing person (the super) did not draft the form.
Which takes us back to the matter of whether or not the Super remains the persona designata as the Commissioner has stated he is, but which several of us are not so sure about anymore under the new legislation.
Sorry if it's a bit fiddly - I'm not actually trying to be awkward this time
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