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M17/M18 - Gort to Tuam [open to traffic]

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    #7112
    Roddylarge
    Registered Users Posts: 149 ✭✭Roddylarge


    If I'm coming from Dundalk to Ennis, Id normally go via Limerick (M7). Once this new motorway opens I wonder if it would be better going via the M6? I avoid the M6 normally as I hate the road from Loughrea to Gort.


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    #7113
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    Roddylarge wrote: »
    If I'm coming from Dundalk to Ennis, Id normally go via Limerick (M7). Once this new motorway opens I wonder if it would be better going via the M6? I avoid the M6 normally as I hate the road from Loughrea to Gort.

    Dundalk to Ennis will be pretty much the sames distance via either the M6 or M7, but with the new M6/M18 junction you will avoid the towns of Loughrea and Gort.


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    #7114
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    J o e wrote: »
    I suspect it might well be quicker to do that trip via the M17/M6 around busy times. It's a longer distance but you're avoiding Claregalway.

    How could that trip possibly be quicker at busy times? Claregalway is going to be quieter with the M17.


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    #7115
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    Roddylarge wrote: »
    If I'm coming from Dundalk to Ennis, Id normally go via Limerick (M7). Once this new motorway opens I wonder if it would be better going via the M6? I avoid the M6 normally as I hate the road from Loughrea to Gort.

    The distance will be almost exactly the same so I don't think there will be any benefit one way or the other. I'd probably go M6 half the time and M7 the other half, just for a change of scenery.


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    #7116
    BelfastVanMan
    Registered Users Posts: 667 ✭✭✭BelfastVanMan


    Benbecul97 wrote: »
    J o e wrote: »
    I suspect it might well be quicker to do that trip via the M17/M6 around busy times. It's a longer distance but you're avoiding Claregalway.

    How could that trip possibly be quicker at busy times? Claregalway is going to be quieter with the M17.

    Not by an awful lot...


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    #7117
    Bazzy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Bazzy


    i live in Ardrahan I cannot wait to see the difference it makes to the N18 here i'd imagine a massive impact particularly to local Applegreen station


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    #7118
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Benbecul97 wrote: »
    How could that trip possibly be quicker at busy times? Claregalway is going to be quieter with the M17.

    That all depends on how much quieter Claregalway becomes.

    Suppose both options start at the top of Bothar na dThreabh....

    M6/M17 Route
    • Bothar na dThreadbh to the roundabout that leads to the motorway = 10mins (typical with heavy traffic)
    • 4km on the N6 to the M6 (say 95km/hr) = 2.5 mins
    • 8km on the M6 to M17 (say 110km/hr) = 4.5 mins
    • 25km on the M17 to Tuam (say 110km/hr) = 13.5 mins
    • Tuam to Belclare (N17 and R333) = 6mins (current Google maps estimate, this stretch flows fairly well)
    Total: 36.5 mins

    N17 Route

    At the moment this could take 45-50mins in an evening rush hour.


    Will be interesting to compare when the road opens and the N17 gets quieter.


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    #7119
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    J o e wrote: »
    M6/M17 Route
    • Bothar na dThreadbh to the roundabout that leads to the motorway = 10mins (typical with heavy traffic)
    10mins is very optimistic at busy times.

    J o e wrote: »
    N17 Route
    J o e wrote: »
    At the moment this could take 45-50mins in an evening rush hour.

    But we're not talking about at the moment.
    J o e wrote: »
    Will be interesting to compare when the road opens and the N17 gets quieter.

    It will and its all unknown until then.


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    #7120
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,782 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Benbecul97 wrote: »
    How could that trip possibly be quicker at busy times? Claregalway is going to be quieter with the M17.

    If everyone decides going via Claregalway is going to be quicker, it won't be.


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    #7121
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    L1011 wrote: »
    If everyone decides going via Claregalway is going to be quicker, it won't be.

    I'm not talking about "everyone". I gave a specific example.


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    #7122
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    Benbecul97 wrote: »
    I'm not talking about "everyone". I gave a specific example.

    Yeah well that example is an edge case based on how far south of Tuam it will be viable to go north onto the M17 before travelling south to Galway. If I lived there I'd check with Google Maps before the commute home each evening.

    I think traffic north of Tuam should find the new motorway faster.


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    #7123
    Zerbini Blewitt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Zerbini Blewitt


    So on the Sligo - Cork route (aside from Ballindine & Milltown which are not really bottlenecks?) the first town after Charlestown will be Charleville – 215km.

    Nice!


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    #7124
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    BelfastVanMan wrote: »
    Not by an awful lot...

    Unknown....


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    #7125
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Zerbini Blewitt wrote: »
    So on the Sligo - Cork route (aside from Ballindine & Milltown which are not really bottlenecks?) the first town after Charlestown will be Charleville – 215km.

    Nice!

    I can see Milltown being slow at peak times as its free flow from Galway/Limerick to Milltown.

    I don't think it'll be Claregalway level but it could be liable to congestion all the same


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    #7126
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    J o e wrote: »
    Yeah well that example is an edge case based on how far south of Tuam it will be viable to go north onto the M17 before travelling south to Galway. If I lived there I'd check with Google Maps before the commute home each evening.

    I think traffic north of Tuam should find the new motorway faster.

    Yeah, well it is just an example, one size is not going to fit all....


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    #7127
    Roadfan
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Roadfan


    marno21 wrote: »
    I can see Milltown being slow at peak times as its free flow from Galway/Limerick to Milltown.

    I don't think it'll be Claregalway level but it could be liable to congestion all the same

    I see Councillors in Sligo are making a bit of noise about the N17 from their side. Good to see the lot done at some stage and indeed Milltown and Ballindine being bypassed. Think it will be a while though before M17 is out and about on the bike taking photos of that particular project.!


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    #7128
    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Roadfan wrote: »
    I see Councillors in Sligo are making a bit of noise about the N17 from their side. Good to see the lot done at some stage and indeed Milltown and Ballindine being bypassed. Think it will be a while though before M17 is out and about on the bike taking photos of that particular project.!

    Why would you bypass Milltown and Ballindine. I live near both places and never got held up there ever, yes traffic slows down but it is free flowing and the only time you get held up was if there was road works.


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    #7129
    Roadfan
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Roadfan


    wotzgoingon wrote: »
    Why would you bypass Milltown and Ballindine. I live near both places and never got held up there ever, yes traffic slows down but it is free flowing and the only time you get held up was if there was road works.

    Well maybe so but I gather that's the long term plan and an improved road north and south of those locations would seem a bit odd if the two places were left in the middle. Aside from that time will tell what effect the uninterrupted flow of traffic1 coming from the south will have on both places both from the point of view of the flow of traffic itself and the lives of people living in Milltown and Ballindine. Factor in any improvements in economy giving rise to heavier traffic etc and you might want them bypassed.


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    #7130
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,922 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Kevwoody wrote: »
    How are they silly? They tell you that destination isn't on the road you are on, you have to take another road before reaching that destination.

    but what does that matter - if you have to turn off, it is (or should be) well signposted in advance. In the case of the sign above, you have to go through the interchange at Rathmorrissey to get to all those destinations, so just follow the signs. No one cares what the "legal destination" is. How do other countries manage without putting the destinations in brackets? I've never driven along a French Autoroute complaining "how am I supposed to know what the legal destination of this road is"
    Reading through threads on Boards recently, I can't believe the amount of silly remarks made towards signage, a lot of motorists really need to brush up on their signs.

    You shouldn't have to "brush up" on directional signs - they should be self explanatory, that's the point of them.


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    #7131
    Kevwoody
    Registered Users Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Kevwoody


    loyatemu wrote: »
    but what does that matter - if you have to turn off, it is (or should be) well signposted in advance. In the case of the sign above, you have to go through the interchange at Rathmorrissey to get to all those destinations, so just follow the signs. No one cares what the "legal destination" is. How do other countries manage without putting the destinations in brackets? I've never driven along a French Autoroute complaining "how am I supposed to know what the legal destination of this road is"



    You shouldn't have to "brush up" on directional signs - they should be self explanatory, that's the point of them.



    I meant "brush up" on all signage, and if you are completely missing the point of the brackets, then Directional signs are obviously not as self explanatory as you think!

    It's not the "legal destination" as you keep saying, it's the Terminal Destination. ie, if you keep following that road, the Terminal Destination is where you will end up. If there was no Terminal Destination on each sign, how would it be decided where that road ends??

    As for the brackets, I really can't see what the fuss is. The brackets show that that destination is on another road completely. And as another poster argued that no matter what the destination is you need to use another road to reach it, especially on motorways, well that's because the motorway obviously doesn't terminate on the Main Street or market square of every town!


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    #7132
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    Roadfan wrote: »
    I see Councillors in Sligo are making a bit of noise about the N17 from their side. Good to see the lot done at some stage and indeed Milltown and Ballindine being bypassed. Think it will be a while though before M17 is out and about on the bike taking photos of that particular project.!
    I'll have the m20 done before that starts


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    #7133
    Truckermal
    Registered Users Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    m17 wrote: »
    I'll have the m20 done before that starts

    I wouldn't hold my breath on that!


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    #7134
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    Ribbon to be cut at kiltiernan at 11am 27/09/17IMAG2335_zpslz0itamh.jpgwhy can't the ribbon be cut at rathmorrissy at least he'll be cutting the ribbon for both the m17/m18


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    #7135
    m17
    Registered Users Posts: 4,321 ✭✭✭m17


    Motorway cycle raised a €100,000IMAG2337_zpszunnvolo.jpg


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    #7136
    turbbo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    Quackster wrote: »
    The distance will be almost exactly the same so I don't think there will be any benefit one way or the other. I'd probably go M6 half the time and M7 the other half, just for a change of scenery.

    Distance might be the same but the M7 is way busier that is a fact.:D Plus presuming you get on the m50 you'd have to spend longer on it to get to M7.


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    #7137
    Benbecul97
    Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭Benbecul97


    turbbo wrote: »
    Distance might be the same but the M7 is way busier that is a fact.:D Plus presuming you get on the m50 you'd have to spend longer on it to get to M7.

    True, given that the M7 also serves the M8 and M9. M6 it is!


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    #7138
    turbbo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭turbbo


    Benbecul97 wrote: »
    True, given that the M7 also serves the M8 and M9. M6 it is!

    Yes quite busy - astounded that they all branch off the M7 - seems like very bad planning. I'm sure it will have to be revised at some stage - very frustrating for kildare -> dublin commuters.


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    #7139
    [Deleted User]
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    m17 wrote: »
    Motorway cycle raised a €100,000IMAG2337_zpszunnvolo.jpg

    No photo credit to you? For shame Tuam Herald


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    #7140
    joeKel73
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    m17 wrote: »
    Ribbon to be cut at kiltiernan at 11am 27/09/17

    Important note in the article for anyone heading to this...
    "neither the motorway nor the Tuam bypass will be opened to traffic until later that evening"


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    #7141
    Quackster
    Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 5,779 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quackster


    turbbo wrote: »
    Distance might be the same but the M7 is way busier that is a fact.:D Plus presuming you get on the m50 you'd have to spend longer on it to get to M7.

    Very true. And given the Naas Bypass widening starts in a few weeks, that'll add further disruption.

    If it were me making the journey regularly, I'd still use the M7 off-peak sometimes just to vary things, but yeah, M6 makes for the better option traffic-wise.


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