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is this rifle a restricted firearm???
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You'd also have to shorten the barrel to less than 30cm and make sure the thing overall wasn't more than 60cm, then it'd be OK.Half-cocked wrote: »So if I had the rifle and I hacksawed off the stock, I'd be go from restricted to unrestricted;) (Yes, I know, I'd be changing a rifle into a pistol with all of the ensuing licensing issues, I'm just trying to highlight the illogicality of the whole thing)
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You'd also have to shorten the barrel to less than 30cm and make sure the thing overall wasn't more than 60cm, then it'd be OK.
Right, so it is easier to license an evil pistol that the Minister blames for the rising gun culture in Ireland than it is to license a rifle in the same calibre
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I wouldn't use the word 'easier'. There's nothing 'easy' about licensing here. :pac:Half-cocked wrote: »Right, so it is easier to license an evil pistol that the Minister blames for the rising gun culture in Ireland than it is to license a rifle in the same calibre0 -
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What we are seeing here is the inevitable consequence of people with little or no knowledge (and a similar amount of interest) of the subject of shooting and firearms, attempting to formulate the prejudices, ignorances, irrational fears, and PR requirements of their masters into law, and then trying to micromanage that law down to the finest detail.
I reckon what you are seeing is, in fact, a concession on the Browning Buckmark pistol. I don't think it was originally on the non-restricted list posted here a few weeks ago but it is on the list in the guidelines. So someone gave way and made a concession and they get thanked by being labelled ignorant and disinterested.
Though there are clear illogicalities.0 -
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My apologies if my post appeared to be a slight on the person or persons who managed to get a bit of common sense injected into the list of acceptable/non-dangerous/less-evil pistols; that was absolutely not my intention.BornToKill wrote: »I reckon what you are seeing is, in fact, a concession on the Browning Buckmark pistol. I don't think it was originally on the non-restricted list posted here a few weeks ago but it is on the list in the guidelines. So someone gave way and made a concession and they get thanked by being labelled ignorant and disinterested.
Though there are clear illogicalities.
For the record, whoever you are, I doff my hat to you and say: "Well done."
The bit about "prejudices, ignorances, irrational fears, and PR requirements" was aimed at the minister and sundry others in positions of 'Authoritah' who saw an opportunity to write into law their own personal belief that 'guns = bad, m'kay?' or that they are the only ones 'professional enough', and who saw Irish gun owners as a convenient vehicle with which to promote themselves as 'doing something' and 'getting tough on crime'.0 -
Sorry, I wasn't clear on the sniper bit. I wasn't talking about adding a tele-scopic sight. I should of used a better word that telescopic style (I never meant it was telescoping, but rather that minimal metal style). I'm refering to guns that don't really have a full stock, and are true bull pup. Is there a way to word it that covers them?You see, I don't think that would fall into the general purpose of a bullpup which is to shorten the rifle without over shortening the barrel. Having the action just behind the trigger is only going to shorten the system by a few centimetres whereas putting it all in the stock can reduce overall length by up to 20 or 30cm.
If you're going to add a telescopic stock, then you'll have to sacrifice most of the length savings that the bullpup design gives you.
found a pic
Obviously, its restricted for a number of reasons (caliber to say the least). But its just an example, of a bullpup, that has an unclear stock.
Completely agree, I've never said it was other than for the purpose of the SI def.If we're agreed that the Buckmarrk rifle is not a bullpup design, then stating that it's the action and mag behind the trigger still keeps it in the bullpup box because the action is behind the trigger even if only just behind it.
Thinking about this more, I think your def is near perfect. And gun that slips under is likely to be restricted by other means. So unless manufacturers start making bullpups that by pass the restricted list
its never going to be an issue.
+1 signature to have it amended
Not spacers, just me being unclear and poor choice of words.Been a few,and are mostly crud.Due to the problem of trigger linkage,one of it's design faults..Not to big a problem on an assult rifle or somthing of that nature,but orrible on a sniper rifle.It would be a pointless exercise to put a telescoping stock on a bull pup rifle as the whole concept is a short action enclosed in a stock,without doing away with barrel length..Maybe you saw spacers on the stock to increase the pull length for the user???
As above, not telescopic, but that minimal framed style. I'm sure there is a better word that I can't think of. Surely somebody here knows the correct phrase.
Not knowing a whole alot about the mechanics behind the trigger. I'm a bit lost by "flaw" behind linkage in snipers. Care to explain for me? I've a curious nature with all that stuff, the more the better. Via pm or here is fine. thanks0 -
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