Rubbish players in great teams.

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Tom10 wrote: »

Giles Grimandi - I always thought was useless at arsenal

He was the John O'Shea of his day, the kind of utility player every team needs, good in a fair few positions, but great in none.

I think Grimandi is a bad call tbh

chopperbyrne

Dida for Milan and Brazil.

How a keeper that bad managed to be first choice for Milan and Brazil for so long I'll never know.

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rossie1977 wrote: »

he was total rubbish in the fa cup final only for sami hyypia to save his ass on about 10 occasions

Is that the match where Hyppia played as a second 'keeper? :pac:

Redzer7

Possibly The Worst Footballer In The World Never Mind Rubbish Players In Great Teams..

Headshot

Jerzy Dudek

rossie1977

Des wrote: »

Is that the match where Hyppia played as a second 'keeper? :pac:

henchoz did a good impression of a goalie that day alrite, hyypia though was immense that afternoon clearing off the line on four occasions

rossie1977

Headshot wrote: »

Jerzy Dudek

dudek was far better keeper than westerweld

Rekop dog

What's peoples views on Pascal Cygan? He actually played a surprising amount for the unbeatables.

Jackobyte

Dirk Kuyt!!!

I know he isn't on a great team (don't think l'pool won a cup since he joined but may be wrong) but he has a good work rate but no skill whatsoever!!! He only scores the scrappy goals... the tap ins, the ones from 2 yards, the fumbles, etc.

Headshot

Jackobyte wrote: »

Dirk Kuyt!!!

I know he isn't on a great team (don't think l'pool won a cup since he joined but may be wrong) but he has a good work rate but no skill whatsoever!!! He only scores the scrappy goals... the tap ins, the ones from 2 yards, the fumbles, etc.

run for the hills jack ....

Jackobyte

Sorry if I offend anyone by that remark

Dirk Kuyt!!!

I know he isn't on a great team (don't think l'pool won a cup since he joined, they went close but great teams gotta win the cups/leagues) but he has a good work rate but no skill whatsoever!!! He only scores the scrappy goals... the tap ins, the ones from 2 yards, the fumbles, etc.

but imo he is a very poor player technically!

titan18

Barthez.He was ok for a while but developed into a huge liability.

Does Taibi count?Played very little but so terrible he deserves to be mentioned.

Eire-Dearg

This will turn to a "rubbish man utd vs rubbish liverpool players" thread eventually.

dfx-

DoireNod wrote: »

Don't know. Wiltord has quite a few goals to his name. He wasn't that bad.

In an unbeatable team with (if I remember correctly), Henry, Pires-Ljungberg, Bergkamp, Vieira, Kanu you'd imagine he would score a few though. Even Lauren scored..

Eire-Dearg

Are you sure he was part of the starting XI Invincible side?

rossie1977

Jackobyte wrote: »

Dirk Kuyt!!!

I know he isn't on a great team (don't think l'pool won a cup since he joined but may be wrong) but he has a good work rate but no skill whatsoever!!! He only scores the scrappy goals... the tap ins, the ones from 2 yards, the fumbles, etc.

no skill whatsoever, you obviously missed his chest down for torres goal like last week at bolton

only from last year, certainly all are not tap ins, from 2 yards, or fumbles, some fine goals there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2WDDi3U8ME

rossie1977

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

Are you sure he was part of the starting XI Invincible side?

according to soccerbase (not sure how accurate) he only played in 12 league games that season, he was given a free transfer at the end of that season

SlickRic

Taffarel.

yahoo_moe

rossie1977 wrote: »

according to soccerbase (not sure how accurate) he only played in 12 league games that season, he was given a free transfer at the end of that season

Yeah wasn't a starter by any means - Toure & Campbell was the first-choice centre-back partnership that year.

rossie1977

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fzeK3SQa4

Xavi6

Dida and Seedorf definitely. The former for just being awful and the latter for being one of the laziest feckers in the game.

I'm gonna say Paul Doolin when he was finishing his career at Shels between 98 and 01. Jeez he used to infuriate me.

ironictoaster

Zenden, I have no idea how he got to wear a red shirt.

kinaldo

I can't believe anyone putting forward Seedorf here.

Seedorf was/is an amazing player. Had he played in the Premiership he'd probably be higher regarded here.

Fabio Capello signed him for Real Madrid once, he had an excellent season and helped them win the title in his first year. The following season he was instrumental in helping Madrid to win the European Cup, especially in the final against Juve.

A year later he then joined Inter for 15 million pounds. I remember he scored some amazing goals for them and made a habit of it against Juve.

For some reason though, along with Pirlo, they allowed him to move over to their city rivals for next to nothing, and since then Milan have added 2 more European Cup while Inter continue to fail in Europe.

Also, Capello isn't known to be a great admirer of ''lazy'' players.

8-10

rossie1977 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fzeK3SQa4

Speaking of Pele, remember his 125 best players of all time list from like '04? I know it's not a great team but it is a great list....except for the odd rubbish player....El Hadj Diouf and Javi Saviola spring to mind!

Hank Scorpio

Niclolas Bentner of Arsenal F.C

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nuxxx wrote: »

Niclolas Bentner of Arsenal F.C

Up to the start of this season i'd agree....

But from what i have seen he has started very well, a marked improvement,

scored a cracking goal for Denmark at the weekend too.

Lets see if he can keep it up.

Rekop dog

Ok I think I've been convinced on the Dida issue but there's no way seedorf is in! This team has got a bit of a ac Milan/Brazilian slant so far

......................... Dida...................

Bravo........... R Junior.........?............?

.....................Ambrosini..................
.............?...............?.........Karembeu
................?.......................?.............

Considering some of the others such as Cruyff and Diouf but don't think their teams at the time fill the grade such as players above. Keep em coming

Spud83

Jesper Blomqvist

Made 29 appearances in the treble winning season.

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alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Jesper Blomqvist

Made 29 appearances in the treble winning season.

He wasn't rubbish tbh. He was as good, if not a better winger, than Park currently is.

Spud83

Des wrote: »

He wasn't rubbish tbh. He was as good, if not a better winger, than Park currently is.

My memory must be **** then, because I hated seeing him near the team.

Mitch Connor

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Jesper Blomqvist

Made 29 appearances in the treble winning season.

He was veyr good for us that season. Not first choice material week in, week out, but his performances were above competent and he provided us with a few goals and assists over the campaign. He was a very good squad player for us that year, it is a shame, imo, that injuries ruined his career in the end.

Himself, Berg and especially May are very under-rated by some fans with regards to their contribution that season at least.

Redzer7

Eboue As A Right Mid For Arsenal!
Was Good At Right Back Though.

Xavi6

Blomqvist was an excellent player. If he wasn't injured he'd have done much more.

Christopher Wreh with Arsenal in 1998.

event

jesus, do some people know what great teams are?

can anyone tell me the great teams that eboue, jeffers, kuyt, bendtner, zenden, bellion etc played in?

Redzer7

event wrote: »

jesus, do some people know what great teams are?

can anyone tell me the great teams that eboue, jeffers, kuyt, bendtner, zenden, bellion etc played in?

Arsenal, Man United And Liverpool have always been great teams imo.

RasTa

Headshot wrote: »

I raise you Dong Fangzhuo

/end thread.

SlickRic

Redzer7 wrote: »

Arsenal, Man United And Liverpool have always been great teams imo.

ah no, i think what the OP meant though was truly standout teams in the history of football, not necessarily just great clubs with tradition.

Brazil 1970
Liverpool 1984
Argentina 1986
AC Milan 1992
Brazil 1994
Arsenal 1998
Real Madrid 1998
Man United 1999
Brazil 2002
Arsenal 2004
Barcelona 2009

These, for me, are examples of stand out teams, and it would make for a much more interesting discussion, rather than just chucking out crap players big clubs have signed through the years.

Redzer7

SlickRic wrote: »

ah no, i think what the OP meant though was truly standout teams in the history of football, not necessarily just great clubs with tradition.

Brazil 1970
Liverpool 1984
Argentina 1986
AC Milan 1992
Brazil 1994
Arsenal 1998
Real Madrid 1998
Man United 1999
Brazil 2002
Arsenal 2004
Barcelona 2009

These, for me, are examples of stand out teams, and it would make for a much more interesting discussion, rather than just chucking out crap players big clubs have signed through the years.

Ok then jeremie aliadiere Arsenal 2004.

Redzer7

event wrote: »

jesus, do some people know what great teams are?

can anyone tell me the great teams that eboue, jeffers, kuyt, bendtner, zenden, bellion etc played in?

He played in the unbeaten season!

syngindub

Dunga playing for Brazil

~Rebel~

Not a 'great' team, but a very good team - Jesper Gronkjaer in the first season of Chelsea's big spending.

event

Redzer7 wrote: »

Arsenal, Man United And Liverpool have always been great teams imo.

they have in me arsé

were liverpool a great team in 99 when they finished 7th?
what about arsenal in 96, finishing 5th?

great clubs maybe, but not great teams

Redzer7 wrote: »

He played in the unbeaten season!

no, he was on loan at everton that season IIRC, only played in the charity shield as a sub

Xavi6

syngindub wrote: »

Dunga playing for Brazil

:eek:

Without him as a holding player they wouldn't have won in 94 imo (Mauro Silva helped as well of course).

Rekop dog

Redzer7 wrote: »

Ok then jeremie aliadiere Arsenal 2004.

I think the fact that this man even played enough games to collect a medal that season should give him a good shout for the team.

It's starting to look like John o shea's versatility could come back to haunt him here.

bullvine

Frank Le Bouef, world cup in 98

gustavo

bullvine wrote: »

Frank Le Bouef, world cup in 98

As far as I remember he was one of the EPL's best defenders at the time , far from "rubbish" anyway

bullvine

Well its a matter of opinion really, he had some shocking games for Chelsea as well but because he played the ball on as Libero he got away with it

syngindub

Xavi6 wrote: »

:eek:

Without him as a holding player they wouldn't have won in 94 imo (Mauro Silva helped as well of course).

hoding players are big strong and rubbish

bullvine

Dunga was one of the key men in that team in fairness, I remember he smacked in a lovely peno in the shootout.

Don't forget Kevin Mcdonald in the Pool 86 team though

~Rebel~

syngindub wrote: »

hoding players are big strong and rubbish

actually quite a lot of them are fairly little guys oddly enough, Makalele, Mascherano, Lass Diara, Gattuso etc