Italy v Bulgaria

vestanpance · 09-09-2009 8:50pm

whycliff wrote: »

Can see how Cyprus v Serbia mont would have any bearing on where we finish

If Cyprus win it'll leave Mont. on same points as Georgia, ideally we want Mont. to finish bottom for when it comes to calculating the points for the 8 (of the 9) second place teams for the play-offs.

It's obviously no bearing on where we finish in the group though.

Lord Trollington · 09-09-2009 8:55pm

no it wont Georgia are on 3 and Mont are on 4...stil dont see how it matters. Group 9 only has 5 teams

Tyranax · 09-09-2009 8:57pm

Poor Ronnie sounded shagged out there! He must have a bit to cover from Peter to George.

dobsdave · 09-09-2009 9:00pm

whycliff wrote: »

no it wont Georgia are on 3 and Mont are on 4...stil dont see how it matters. Group 9 only has 5 teams

For groups 1-8, your results against the bottom placed team are discarded.

Unearthly · 09-09-2009 9:20pm

I think we are safe enough as far as not being the bottom runners up team.

Lord Trollington · 09-09-2009 9:21pm

Yes cannavaro gone

vestanpance · 09-09-2009 9:23pm

whycliff wrote: »

no it wont Georgia are on 3 and Mont are on 4...stil dont see how it matters. Group 9 only has 5 teams

If Cyprus had of won Mont would be on 3, it's over now so that's irrelevant.

ANTIFA! · 09-09-2009 9:26pm

Ahhhhh close by Bojinov.

joe123 · 09-09-2009 9:30pm

Can someone post up a link to the 2nd place teams table. Whats this about the bottom team results being discarded? Also how are the teams paired in the qualifiers is it just random out of the hat/seeded/or 1st v bottom 2nd v 2nd bottom etc...?

_blank_ · 09-09-2009 9:33pm

joe123 wrote: »

Can someone post up a link to the 2nd place teams table. Whats this about the bottom team results being discarded? Also how are the teams paired in the qualifiers is it just random out of the hat/seeded/or 1st v bottom 2nd v 2nd bottom etc...?

In all but group nine, because they have one less team, the points gained against the eventual last placed teams are discarded from the then second placed teams total.

The worst team are not in the play offs.

There is no seeding in the play offs.

ANTIFA! · 09-09-2009 9:35pm

Norway have finished 2nd in Group 9 on 10 points but that group has one less team so they finish on 10. Ireland have 16 points but our two wins against Georgia are wiped away which leaves us on 10 but with 2 games in hand. So barring an absolute disaster(Ireland losing the final two games) we have a playoff place.

mayordenis · 09-09-2009 9:35pm

joe123 wrote: »

Whats this about the bottom team results being discarded? Also how are the teams paired in the qualifiers is it just random out of the hat/seeded/or 1st v bottom 2nd v 2nd bottom etc...?

there are 9 groups
1-8 have 6 teams
9 has 5

the 9 top teams go straight through
the top 8 2nd place teams go in a qualifier
to do so fairly groups in 1-8 the 2nd place team's games against the bottom placed team in their group is not counted, as obviously they would have had 2 extra games than the 2nd place team in group 9.

I think the general consensus is that there will be no seeding for the quals.

parker kent · 09-09-2009 9:38pm

joe123 wrote: »

Can someone post up a link to the 2nd place teams table. Whats this about the bottom team results being discarded? Also how are the teams paired in the qualifiers is it just random out of the hat/seeded/or 1st v bottom 2nd v 2nd bottom etc...?

The table will need to be updated after tonights games. At the minute, it has Northern Ireland not making it to the playoffs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA)

copacetic · 09-09-2009 9:39pm

ANTIFA! wrote: »

Norway have finished 2nd in Group 9 on 10 points but that group has one less team so they finish on 10. Ireland have 16 points but our two wins against Georgia are wiped away which leaves us on 10 but with 2 games in hand. So barring an absolute disaster(Ireland losing the final two games) we have a playoff place.

we still have to come ahead of Bulgaria as well, but you are right, scotland losing has made all the second placed teams lives much easier. One point will get us a playoff place if we keep second, but we need more than that to be sure of getting second ahead of Bulgaria.

dogpile · 09-09-2009 9:43pm

Northern Ireland will miss out I reckon, beaten tonight away to the Czechs last game, only on 8 pts

copacetic · 09-09-2009 9:46pm

dogpile wrote: »

Northern Ireland will miss out I reckon, beaten tonight away to the Czechs last game, only on 8 pts

they are unlikely to get 2nd in the group anyway now.

joe123 · 09-09-2009 10:13pm

http://www.soccerbot.com/fifa/tables/wcupeq2010.htm

Good site for checking the tables. Not updated with tonights games yet but gives a pretty clear view of remaining games and points.

Mr. Presentable · 09-09-2009 10:31pm

Hey joe, RTE have the tables

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/soccer_tables_worldcup2010.html

Euro_Kraut · 09-09-2009 10:34pm

The updated tables from Wikipedia. One more point guarantees that we finish ahead of Norway.

	               Pld 	W       D 	L 	GF 	GA 	GD 	Pts 	
4 	 Russia 	7 	6 	0 	1 	15 	4 	+11 	18 	
7 	 France 	7 	3 	3 	1 	9 	8 	+1 	12 	
3 	 Slovenia 	7 	3 	2 	2 	8 	4 	+4 	11 	
6 	 Croatia 	7 	3 	2 	2 	11 	12 	&#8722;1 	11 	
5 	 Bosnia & H	6 	3 	1 	2 	15 	7 	+8 	10 	
2 	 Greece 	6 	3 	1 	2 	9 	6 	+3 	10 	
8 	 Rep. Ire   	6 	2 	4 	0 	6 	4 	+2 	10 	
9 	 Norway 	8 	2 	4 	2 	9 	7 	+2 	10 	
1 	 Sweden 	6 	2 	3 	1 	9 	3 	+1 	9

09-09-2009 10:41pm

How many go through from these play offs?

Bubs101 · 09-09-2009 10:41pm

8 go in, 4 go through.

Italy's second goal was a work of art tonight and Gigi was in phenomenal form again

dogpile · 09-09-2009 10:44pm

nipplenuts wrote: »

Hey joe, RTE have the tables

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/soccer_tables_worldcup2010.html

I'd quite fancy some of those currently 2nd placed on a 50/50 chance basis, obviously avoiding your France's Russia's and possible Croatia where you'd really have no chance...funnily enough I think Scotland/Norn Iron might have been a tougher task than the likes of Norway/Slovenia or whatever...lap of the Gods I suppose

Mr.Nice Guy · 09-09-2009 10:57pm

I'm not disappointed. I think a play-off place would be a fine achievement all things considered and we are in with a great chance of that now.

dubmick · 09-09-2009 11:13pm

I have to say I am disappointed that Bulgaria couldn't get a draw. I really don't fancy our chances in a play off scenario. It would be a killer to get France or Russia/Germany

Mr Maroon · 09-09-2009 11:38pm

Tonight in the Italy - Bulgaria game after Pepe messed up a cross by slipping over on his arse, the Turin crowd started to jeer and started to chant "Alessandro Del Piero oleee".

A_Fitz · 09-09-2009 11:51pm

dubmick wrote: »

I have to say I am disappointed that Bulgaria couldn't get a draw. I really don't fancy our chances in a play off scenario. It would be a killer to get France or Russia/Germany

I agree, was a bit disappointed myself, but are we really capable of beating Italy if they came at us all guns blazing?? At least now there's less pressure on them to beat us, which can only be a good thing

A_Fitz · 09-09-2009 11:59pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

The updated tables from Wikipedia. One more point guarantees that we finish ahead of Norway.

	               Pld 	W       D 	L 	GF 	GA 	GD 	Pts 	
4 	 Russia 	7 	6 	0 	1 	15 	4 	+11 	18 	
7 	 France 	7 	3 	3 	1 	9 	8 	+1 	12 	
3 	 Slovenia 	7 	3 	2 	2 	8 	4 	+4 	11 	
6 	 Croatia 	7 	3 	2 	2 	11 	12 	&#8722;1 	11 	
5 	 Bosnia & H	6 	3 	1 	2 	15 	7 	+8 	10 	
2 	 Greece 	6 	3 	1 	2 	9 	6 	+3 	10 	
8 	 Rep. Ire   	6 	2 	4 	0 	6 	4 	+2 	10 	
9 	 Norway 	8 	2 	4 	2 	9 	7 	+2 	10 	
1 	 Sweden 	6 	2 	3 	1 	9 	3 	+1 	9

Greece, Norway or Sweden wouldn't be too bad.......Bosnia & Herz or Slovenia wouldn't be disasters either, IMO

ANTIFA! · 10-09-2009 12:00am

Slovenia are an average side. No better than Montenegro.

Idbatterim · 10-09-2009 1:02pm

forget it against germany or russia id imagine. As for France, alot of the opinions on boards seem to rate them fairly highly based on past exploits!

Paparazzo · 10-09-2009 1:07pm

Mr Maroon wrote: »

Tonight in the Italy - Bulgaria game after Pepe messed up a cross by slipping over on his arse, the Turin crowd started to jeer and started to chant "Alessandro Del Piero oleee".

I'm sure the fans were happy enough.
Lippi as manager, 7 juve players starting and both goals from juve players! Can't ask for much more.

Mr Maroon · 10-09-2009 1:10pm

Paparazzo wrote: »

I'm sure the fans were happy enough.
Lippi as manager, 7 juve players starting and both goals from juve players! Can't ask for much more.

But in fairness an ageing Del Piero is still much better than Pepe.

eirebhoy · 10-09-2009 7:25pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

As for France, alot of the opinions on boards seem to rate them fairly highly based on past exploits!

And a hell of a lot of class players.

Italy v Bulgaria

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