Thanks Alive for helping me make my mind up

Orion

I voted no the last time. I stand by that vote and still think I did the right thing.

This time however I finally made my decision after reading the Irish Times this morning about the advert in Alive from Eire go Brach. Seemingly if Lisbon is passed the EU could seize the elderly's homes and put children of people with depression in care. And according to their website it will "makeIreland a subject-state to the EU Empire, putting our Nation under the control of a foreign parliament" - seriously - that's a direct quote, as is "Dáil Éireann is transformed into a Home Rule parliament". While this may not be a bad thing considering the current shower in place it's still bull****.

After Coir's posters of half-truths I was leaning towards yes but still on the fence. But this group is just plain full of it and it's being distributed to churchgoers all over the country.

Some of my original concerns about the treaty have been alleviated already - not all. But I have yet to hear a single coherent argument to vote no - most of the no argument is comprised of half-truths and the rest is just plain lies. But the yes arguments are clear. The yes side are not innocent of half-truths and mudslinging either but at least there are clear reasons to vote yes. So unless there's some compelling argument to change my mind that's the way I'll be voting.

Thanks Eire go Brach for clearing that up for me.

flanzer

There was a bit a scarmongering during the previous campaign but the scarmongering and lies I've seen on the posters and advertising boards are beyond a joke and has convinced me where my vote is going.

IMO the No campaign is loosing momentum and are trying to gain credibily back using 'shock and awe' methods

This thread says it all really

I don't want my country down the back corner of the class wearing a peaked hat with the letter 'D' on it

Hitman Actual

This is being discussed now on Sean Moncrieff. Editor of Alive and Marian Harkin.

Keewee6

i agree the scaremogering is terrible - the more i hear vote yes - the more i vote no

oscarBravo

Keewee6 wrote: »

i agree the scaremogering is terrible - the more i hear vote yes - the more i vote no

If you've nothing constructive to add to a conversation, please don't post.

PopeBuckfastXVI

http://www.alive.ie/archives/Alive!%20Sept%2009.pdf

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PopeBuckfastXVI

Keewee6 wrote: »

i agree the scaremogering is terrible - the more i hear vote yes - the more i vote no

Congrats on being the very first poster on boards.ie to make my 'ignore' list...

Keewee6

oscarBravo wrote: »

If you've nothing constructive to add to a conversation, please don't post.

its constructive as far as im concerned = i will post

oscarBravo

Keewee6 wrote: »

its constructive as far as im concerned = i will post

Unfortunately for you, my standards are substantially higher, and I get to decide whether or not you get to post.

For the avoidance of doubt, this is a moderator instruction: if you have nothing constructive to post, don't post. This isn't up for discussion. Read the charter.

Orion

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

http://www.alive.ie/archives/Alive!%20Sept%2009.pdf

Page 14

Thanks for that. I didn't even look for their website. That ad is absolutely amazing - not in a good way.

btw - thanks also for the links in your sig. I love the searchable treaty.

Keewee6 wrote: »

i agree the scaremogering is terrible - the more i hear vote yes - the more i vote no

Funny - I haven't heard any Yes campaigners saying that persons of unsound mind will be detained or lose their children to the state if we vote no. Maybe I'm reading the wrong papers. :rolleyes: Thanks for your post - it's as informative as the other posts of yours I've read in this forum.

Keewee6

oscarBravo wrote: »

Unfortunately for you, my standards are substantially higher, and I get to decide whether or not you get to post.

For the avoidance of doubt, this is a moderator instruction: if you have nothing constructive to post, don't post. This isn't up for discussion. Read the charter.

i apoligize

humanji

Hitman Actual wrote: »

This is being discussed now on Sean Moncrieff. Editor of Alive and Marian Harkin.

I can't listen to stuff in work. How did it go?

Macha

humanji wrote: »

I can't listen to stuff in work. How did it go?

Apparently the EU is a communist conspiracy...no joke.

oscarBravo

taconnol wrote: »

Apparently the EU is a communist conspiracy...no joke.

We need a head-to-head debate between Alive and Joe Higgins.

Orion

It says that on the Eire go Brach site - here: "European Union is on its way to becoming anotherSoviet Union". Everyone should read this site - it's so bad it's nearly funny.

flanzer

taconnol wrote: »

Apparently the EU is a communist conspiracy...no joke.

Prepare for 'It's run by lizards campaign' from Coir and the like so!

The whole 'yes' argument was a farce last time round, this time the whole 'no' campaign is a joke.

The sooner this whole sorry mess is over and we vote in our European intentions, the better

Hitman Actual

humanji wrote: »

I can't listen to stuff in work. How did it go?

Tame enough, tbh*. The Alive guy was about as rational as you could expect an ultra-conservative anti-Lisbon catholic priest to be. He tried to make the case that by running the ad they were bringing up issues that the Pro-yes campaigners were ignoring. Marian Harkin made the case that that they were wrong to run something so bizarre and misinformed that would clearly scare a lot of people. She came across quite well, but she normally does. The general impression I got from Moncrieff and the listeners texting in was that the ad was too bizarre to be believed anyway. [The problem with that is that I'm sure the ad will have an effect on ultra-catholic people, but they're probably going to vote No anyway.]

*After that main slot was over, I missed the part where an Erin Go Brach mentalist came on and put their case. I just switched back as himself and Marian were having a go at each other, and Moncrief finished up the slot. That was the juicy part, think.

marco_polo

Hitman Actual wrote: »

Tame enough, tbh*. The Alive guy was about as rational as you could expect an ultra-conservative anti-Lisbon catholic priest to be. He tried to make the case that by running the ad they were bringing up issues that the Pro-yes campaigners were ignoring. Marian Harkin made the case that that they were wrong to run something so bizarre and misinformed that would clearly scare a lot of people. She came across quite well, but she normally does. The general impression I got from Moncrieff and the listeners texting in was that the ad was too bizarre to be believed anyway. [The problem with that is that I'm sure the ad will have an effect on ultra-catholic people, but they're probably going to vote No anyway.]

*After that main slot was over, I missed the part where an Erin Go Brach mentalist came on and put their case. I just switched back as himself and Marian were having a go at each other, and Moncrief finished up the slot. That was the juicy part, think.

Do they put up podcasts usually afterwards?

lostexpectation

this is no reason to vote yes

Hitman Actual

marco_polo wrote: »

Do they put up podcasts usually afterwards?

I'm not sure about Moncrief's show. The sports show "Off the Ball" often release podcasts, but I'd be surprised if they archive all their shows. I'd like to hear the bit I missed myself, tbh.

eightyfish

Macros42 wrote: »

It says that on the Eire go Brach site - here: "European Union is on its way to becoming anotherSoviet Union". Everyone should read this site - it's so bad it's nearly funny.

The slogan at the bottom of their site - "Keep Ireland Irish" - hints of racism anybody?

Reasons to vote NO:
The Irish Republic will be abolished to foreign control. (lie)
EU politicians will have absolute control over our lives. (lie)
100% of Ireland's laws will be decided in a foreign parliament. (lie)
The EU Immigration-Plantation will destroy Ireland's identity. (racist)
Cheap foreign labour will devastate Irish wages.(racist)
Continued EU regulations will result in massive unemployment.(made up)
Political fraud will be impossible to investigate or cure.(made up)
The EU Treaty attacks the Irish family.(lie)
Abortion will be forced on Ireland, killing unborn children.(lie)
Farming and Rural Ireland will economically suffer the most.(made up)
Ireland's prosperity and competitiveness will be weakened.(made up)
Stealth Taxes will continue to be enforced.(made up)

Note the repeated use of the word "foreign". These right-wing-catholic-f*ck-heads don't seem to even realise we're in the EU.

oscarBravo

More so xenophobia, in fairness.

thebigcheese22

Unrelated to Lisbon but kinda relates to how Coir are so crazy...

In 'What God means to me' -

One of my
friends had tried to commit suicide
and another friend had
become a witch.
I had never been the most popular
girl and as most teenagers do,
I felt fairly worthless a lot of the
time.

You can't make this stuff up!!! :eek:

ilovelamp2000

Macros42 wrote: »

I voted no the last time. I stand by that vote and still think I did the right thing.

This time however I finally made my decision after reading the Irish Times this morning about the advert in Alive from Eire go Brach. Seemingly if Lisbon is passed the EU could seize the elderly's homes and put children of people with depression in care. And according to their website it will "makeIreland a subject-state to the EU Empire, putting our Nation under the control of a foreign parliament" - seriously - that's a direct quote, as is "Dáil Éireann is transformed into a Home Rule parliament". While this may not be a bad thing considering the current shower in place it's still bull****.

After Coir's posters of half-truths I was leaning towards yes but still on the fence. But this group is just plain full of it and it's being distributed to churchgoers all over the country.

Some of my original concerns about the treaty have been alleviated already - not all. But I have yet to hear a single coherent argument to vote no - most of the no argument is comprised of half-truths and the rest is just plain lies. But the yes arguments are clear. The yes side are not innocent of half-truths and mudslinging either but at least there are clear reasons to vote yes. So unless there's some compelling argument to change my mind that's the way I'll be voting.

Thanks Eire go Brach for clearing that up for me.

What's clear about the "yes" arguments ? What are the reasons for voting yes ?

ilovelamp2000

eightyfish wrote: »

The slogan at the bottom of their site - "Keep Ireland Irish" - hints of racism anybody?



Note the repeated use of the word "foreign". These right-wing-catholic-f*ck-heads don't seem to even realise we're in the EU.

You should probably go and look up the definition of racism.

BlitzKrieg

Rosco1982 wrote: »

What's clear about the "yes" arguments ? What are the reasons for voting yes ?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61327732&postcount=1

ilovelamp2000

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61327732&postcount=1

Thanks, but i was looking for the opinion of the OP.

BlitzKrieg

Rosco1982 wrote: »

Thanks, but i was looking for the opinion of the OP.

look at the thank list on the post I gave you. his name is on there.

ilovelamp2000

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

look at the thank list on the post I gave you. his name is on there.

And that means it's something he believes ?

I thought it was just a "thanks" thing.

It looks to me that the OP is making a decision based on a whim, because one group of idiots annoyed him a bit. I think it's a shame someone would make an important decision based on that.

P. Breathnach

Rosco1982 wrote: »

What's clear about the "yes" arguments ? What are the reasons for voting yes ?

At this stage, putting distance between myself and Cóir, Sinn Féin, Joe Higgins & Co, People Before Profit, Alive, UKIP, Patricia McKenna, and the other lunatic fringe people seems to be a sufficient reason to vote yes.

The fact that Lisbon is some fairly unexciting but useful housekeeping has become a secondary reason.

skelliser

vote "yes for europe"
"yes for jobs"

both of these i consider "lies"