Seriously - Will The Irish Public Please cop The Hell On!

bonzos

skelliser wrote: »

well as pains as it is to say it, the quickest way to get rid of them is to vote no to lisbon. Cowen position would be completly untainable then, to lose to referenda in less then 18 months on the same issue is endgame im afraid.

Seriously, ff will never leave power unless some scandal hits, they will brazen it out for as long as possible. but we live in a country where in the last local elections 25% still voted for them, thats 1 in 4, they will do the same again.

Another think im sick of people saying sure the other crowd are useless yada, yada, well they havent been in power in over 12 years, also they brought in free fees, who is taking them away.

Give them a chance is what i say, they fixed the country in the eighties after ff destroyed it then, they can do it again.

Have the other crowd made effort the show that they are in touch with the irish people either??why has kenny or gilmore not publicly put the push on their own TD's to take a pay cut...its total bull.I heard a guy on the radio recently claiming the dick roche is a regular golfing butty of seanie fizt!

Sea08

walshb wrote: »

Stop moaning guys, c'mon, we all know that our money is needed much much more
in far off places like Africa. We need to keep this going, 900+ million Euro a year goes abroad, sure how do you expect our own to be also entitled to 9 million Euro for vaccines?
We're not bloody made of money!:rolleyes:

Shhh.... don't let the Aid charities hear you! Otherwise you'll have to listen to the hour long speeches about starving babies, despite the fact that Aid is the real cause of Africa's ill's.

Biggins

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of people yelling for it here. Plus the both the Labour Party and Sinn Fein have called for a general election. FG seem more reluctant granted.

Its that people are sitting back here criticizing others for 'inaction'. Why don't you go out your to Kildare Street tomorrow and start a protest? Don't sit back and wait for other to do it and then moan it they don't!

Well if you also including me in that section, you can count me out!
I got up off my arse and is trying to waken the public!
Whats more, as a protest action, I WILL be running in the next election as a protest INDEPENDENT canidate.

Unitedpeople.ie IS my site and "no" to the government - I won't shut the fcuk up!

El Guapo!

The thing that really pisses me off is everyone moans and groans in this country but does nothing about it (me included). And as was said in other posts, if this happened in any other country the entire population would march and everything would grind to a halt until it was sorted, so why not here???
I'm absolutely sick to death of it and something has to be done. All revolutions have to start somewhere so why not right here on boards? I say we organise something,...Anything to get this shower of criminals out of power. And if we can do it then I would gladly give up my time to help organise something.
It's time we got up off our arses and kicked them in theirs. :mad:

My name is URL

Biggins wrote: »

I have no doubt that Ireland need a lot of things but at a time when cut backs are being made, the last to go should be THEE more essential services.

Over 40% of Government spending is on Health this year, it's up to the HSE and those running the hospitals to ensure that essential services aren't affected, but they choose to do it this way to cause public outrage so that the government will stop demanding cut-backs.

ronbyrne2005

Firstly , all those medical things you hear in media are amounts PER YEAR. The 10million for the cycle route is a once off hit spread over 20+years and will get cyclists off streets where many are killed every year.

Secondly, I am one of the biggest critics of this government but they have actually increased the amount the health service gets from around 4 BILLION euro to close to 16 BILLION in just over a decade! 300% increase and it seems to have gotten worse. Every worker in state is paying on average 8,000 in taxes and charges to fund the system, if you and your partner both work you pay 16,000 a year in taxes and charges just for the health system we have! .(16,000 million dividied by 2 million workers)
If the staff werent the bet paid Europe, there would be more resources for other stuff in health service.

bonzos

skelliser wrote: »

well as pains as it is to say it, the quickest way to get rid of them is to vote no to lisbon. Cowen position would be completly untainable then, to lose to referenda in less then 18 months on the same issue is endgame im afraid.

Seriously, ff will never leave power unless some scandal hits, they will brazen it out for as long as possible. but we live in a country where in the last local elections 25% still voted for them, thats 1 in 4, they will do the same again.

Another think im sick of people saying sure the other crowd are useless yada, yada, well they havent been in power in over 12 years, also they brought in free fees, who is taking them away.

Give them a chance is what i say, they fixed the country in the eighties after ff destroyed it then, they can do it again.

I cant believe this has got to 3 pages and no one has tried to defend FF..."Sure the other crowd are the same:rolleyes:"

Shepherd3

walshb wrote: »

Stop moaning guys, c'mon, we all know that our money is needed much much more
in far off places like Africa. We need to keep this going, 900+ million Euro a year goes abroad, sure how do you expect our own to be also entitled to 9 million Euro for vaccines?
We're not bloody made of money!:rolleyes:

If it makes you feel better Ireland is like the Africa of the EU.

Poor Uncle Tom

Dean09 wrote: »

The thing that really pisses me off is everyone moans and groans in this country but does nothing about it (me included). And as was said in other posts, if this happened in any other country the entire population would march and everything would grind to a halt until it was sorted, so why not here???
I'm absolutely sick to death of it and something has to be done. All revolutions have to start somewhere so why not right here on boards? I say we organise something,...Anything to get this shower of criminals out of power. And if we can do it then I would gladly give up my time to help organise something.
It's time we got up off our arses and kicked them in theirs. :mad:

Yup, it's about time we took up arms and chased this bunch of lazy, useless slobs and hippies into Leinster House and had ourselves a good old hangin' session (modern day French Revolution - Irish Style ) I'm sure we could get sponsers.

skelliser

bonzos wrote: »

I cant believe this has got to 3 pages and no one has tried to defend FF..."Sure the other crowd are the same:rolleyes:"

i was trying to preempt that, no doubt they will be along soon.
THESE PEOPLE ARE FF SUPPORTERS, THEY ARE TRYING TO SOW SEEDS OF DOUBT AND MISDIRECTION. IGNORE THEM

Neamhshuntasach

Well isn't there a protest on this Saturday against Nama. Me and at least 8 mates are going in to it. Even if you do agree with Nama but have other grievances this should be used as a mass protest. Bring whatever banners you want. There needs to be more protests and clashes with the guards in this country for the Government to wake up. They Government should fear the people. Not the other way around.

Wibbs

Dean09 wrote: »

The thing that really pisses me off is everyone moans and groans in this country but does nothing about it (me included). And as was said in other posts, if this happened in any other country the entire population would march and everything would grind to a halt until it was sorted, so why not here???

Yep we do bugger all. Seems to be part of the Irish psyche. The joke is everywhere else in the world we've ended up we're usually at the forefront manning the barricades. Just can't seem to do it here though. Can't see it changing.

Biggins

My name is URL wrote: »

Over 40% of Government spending is on Health this year, it's up to the HSE and those running the hospitals to ensure that essential services aren't affected, but they choose to do it this way to cause public outrage so that the government will stop demanding cut-backs.

I won't dispute your figures but if they are government quoted, I could look at them with suspicion. They also claim what % is social welfare?
After those two what's left?

Back on point: I'm 100% sure cuts need to be made in the health service but when they refuse to even LOOK or fund a national SPECIALIST hospital to keep it running but can find the same amount of money to build a bike road!

Seriously, who can really argue that the bike road is better than inoculation a generation of our nations children either!

Its just more stupid, morally corrupt financial mis-direction and for which the only real benefit is to themselves as politicians and their own pockets by further effect!

Turd Ferguson

It may sound a bit extreme, but a huge fucking bomb in the government building that blows every single one of these motherfucking no good politicians to Hell...its the only way we are going to get this country back on track

Max Power1

since we are obviously allowed ignore referendum results and the will of the people and public polling, maybe we should suggest a re run of the last general election!*

* oh no, I forgot, the government got the result they wanted first time round last time

skelliser

John o donoughue spent 600euros of taxpayers money getting a chauffer driven car from t1 to t2 in heathrow a journey of less the five minutes which is also free on a bus provided by heathrow!
He also spent the guts of 9,000 on chauffer driven cars on a visit to venice whilst staying in a 1400 a night hotel.
this is the kinda contempt these people have for us

Euro_Kraut

Biggins wrote: »

Well if you also including me in that section, you can count me out!
I got up off my arse and is trying to waken the public!
Whats more, as a protest action, I WILL be running in the next election as a protest INDEPENDENT canidate.

Unitedpeople.ie IS my site and "no" to the government - I won't shut the fcuk up!

No I wasn't including you. I know you take this beyond the realms of the Internet.

There are plenty of others though that are too happy to sit back and bitch about the Govt without actually doing anything. Its particularly annoying that they use other's apathy as an excuse for their own.

Good luck with your candidacy.

Shepherd3

Turd Ferguson wrote: »

It may sound a bit extreme, but a huge fucking bomb in the government building that blows every single one of these motherfucking no good politicians to Hell...its the only way we are going to get this country back on track

That's exactly what will make the country functional.

Wibbs

skelliser wrote: »

i was trying to preempt that, no doubt they will be along soon.
THESE PEOPLE ARE FF SUPPORTERS, THEY ARE TRYING TO SOW SEEDS OF DOUBT AND MISDIRECTION. IGNORE THEM

Yea and no. I cant stand FF and 99% of what they've done, but I don't put any faith in the rest of the shower. EG TD wages. Didn't see FG Lab or any of the other mainstream types downing tools and refusing pay rises. The odd one, but they're all much of a muchness. Parish pump politicians, usually teachers, accountants and the like, but "sure isn't he great lad boss".

Borneo Fnctn

Good news for cyclists all the same.

I'll get my coat.

greyed

skelliser wrote: »

well as pains as it is to say it, the quickest way to get rid of them is to vote no to lisbon. Cowen position would be completly untainable then, to lose to referenda in less then 18 months on the same issue is endgame im afraid.

Not to get personal, but this is retarded, not to mention selfish. If you think not voting on the actual content and holding 500 million others ransom is the way to rectify our last mess of an exercise in democracy, then you are not politically responsible. This provincial methodology is in fact the way to economic and social implosion, no matter what the circumstances.

As I hate FF, I did not vote for them. However, many many people did. These same people now blame FF for the actions they themselves condoned while things were shiny. I do not get this.

Also, tough **** on cut backs. These have to happen. Yes, its in large part FFs fault we are in this situation, but we have to be pragmatic. You cant protest for not getting money you dont have. Theres ways out of these waters, but blissfull international credit-feulled ignorance sound familiar is not one of them.

DrewPeacock

Sure we all know the country is ****ed at this stage take a look around with factories closing and dole lines around the corner

Wibbs

Plus if you want change to ripple through this society, real change, you're going to have to revamp those who implement whichever governments poilicies, the civil service. Never gonna happen.

Max Power1

Biggins wrote: »

I won't dispute your figures but if they are government quoted, I could look at them with suspicion. They also claim what % is social welfare?
After those two what's left?

Social welfare spending is oft quoted from government sources and in the (respectable) printed media as being just north of 50% of public spending

Biggins

skelliser wrote: »

John o Donoughue spent 600euros of taxpayers money getting a chauffeur driven car from t1 to t2 in Heathrow a journey of less the five minutes which is also free on a bus provided by Heathrow!
He also spent the guts of 9,000 on chauffeur driven cars on a visit to Venice whilst staying in a 1400 a night hotel.
this is the kinda contempt these people have for us

A simple tenner from his own pocket would have gotten him from A to B but no...
Fcuk the cash strapped Irish people - he wanted a limo!

"SS Fianna Fail"
Simply Sickening!

spurious

skelliser wrote: »

John o donoughue spent 600euros of taxpayers money getting a chauffer driven car from t1 to t2 in heathrow a journey of less the five minutes which is also free on a bus provided by heathrow!
He also spent the guts of 9,000 on chauffer driven cars on a visit to venice whilst staying in a 1400 a night hotel.
this is the kinda contempt these people have for us

And yet I GUARANTEE there will be a large number of cretins who will vote FF nonetheless next time round.
They would vote for dog's willy with a FF badge on - indeed they aren't far off already having done that if you look at some of our 'statesmen and women'.

Good rant OP - we get what we deserve.

skelliser

Biggins wrote: »

A simple tenner from his own pocket would have gotten him from A to B but no...

not even, a free bus is provided

skelliser

i opened a new thread highlighting saturdays no to nama march

Whiskey Devil

As a matter of interest, who are the TD's that agreed to the pay cut? I will assume Brian's Cowen and Lenihan are two of them. I think Enda Kenny is another. Anyone know the rest?

My name is URL

Biggins wrote: »

I won't dispute your figures but if they are government quoted, I could look at them with suspicion. They also claim what % is social welfare?
After those two what's left?

Back on point: I'm 100% sure cuts need to be made in the health service but when they refuse to even LOOK or fund a national SPECIALIST hospital to keep it running but can find the same amount of money to build a bike road!

Seriously, who can really argue that the bike road is better than inoculation a generation of our nations children either!

Its just more stupid, morally corrupt financial mis-direction and for which the only real benefit is to themselves as politicians and their own pockets by further effect!

Yeah, fair enough. There definitely should be funding for those things, but at what point will it be enough funding?

The HSE has the money to do these things, but instead it opts to line the pockets of an overstaffed and unorganized bunch of pencil pushers. I just think that should be sorted out before tackling each of the problems it's created