No to Nama Protest March this saturday 2pm

MikeC101

lostexpectation wrote: »

or maybe there just no real demand to physical protest nama,

Could be that too - hence I posted "Though maybe the numbers would be much lower without the SWP and assorted placard carriers."

lostexpectation wrote: »

and your trying to find excuses for low turn out of these protests and blame a few leftwingers rather then the govenment

I still don't understand what you're saying here - Are you saying the government is to blame for the low turnout? Or that I'm trying to defend the government or something? I'm not trying to defend the government - I'm merely stating that in a protest about NAMA, displaying "No to Lisbon" signs makes it a lot easier for the government to dismiss the protest as being the usual malcontents and ignore the NAMA issue.

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you know the merging of these protests may have been the polices idea

see this guy here

lostexpectation

lostexpectation wrote: »

you know the merging of these protests may have been the polices idea

see this guy here

There's me with the 'stop NAMA' sign.


Just read that Lenihan is prepared to publish a list of loans that have had discounts, but not who they belong to.

I wonder why...hmmm

darc

skelliser wrote: »

The voice of the people of Ireland will be heard at the 'No to NAMA' Street Protest on Saturday 12th September 2009. The protest will start at the Garden of Remembrance (at the top of O'Connell St) at 2pm and will march on the Dail..

If that collection of a few hundred mostly uneducated unemployable leftie loonies protesting about their every ill represents "the voice of Ireland" then serious medical issues abound.

NAMA is a spectacular piece if financial engineering that is an absolute requirement for the sutuation the country is in.

The 600 - 700 eejits who marched today have no idea of its importance in getting Ireland back to prosperity and providing jobs again. Its not an ideal situation, but we're in amess and we need NAMA to get out of it.

SLUSK

darc wrote: »

If that collection of a few hundred mostly uneducated unemployable leftie loonies protesting about their every ill represents "the voice of Ireland" then serious medical issues abound.

NAMA is a spectacular piece if financial engineering that is an absolute requirement for the sutuation the country is in.

The 600 - 700 eejits who marched today have no idea of its importance in getting Ireland back to prosperity and providing jobs again. Its not an ideal situation, but we're in amess and we need NAMA to get out of it.

Can you tell me WHY NAMA is needed?
Why is it a good idea to force taxpayers to bail out incompetent banks? You call those protesters stupid leftists. I'm not gonna say who I think is the stupid one here...

Bailing out bad banks is extremly anti capitalist measure, it seems you advocate socialism for the rich and capitalism for the masses.

Kama

MikeC101 wrote:

I'm making a point that diluting a No to NAMA protest with the usual stuff that gets wheeled out at every opportunity weakens the impact of the protest, and makes it easier for the government to dismiss.

Well, there's tactical and organizational differences there, as to whether a single-issue focus > a 'grand narrative' approach. Or, more cynically, the Swippys are renowned for subsuming any oppositional issue, in line with their self-concept as the unifying leaders of the Left (curious that its effect is the opposite).

The contrast between the cuts on the one hand, and the bailout subsidy of Nama is supportive of the 'all one thing' feeling: 'Taking from the Mama to give to the Nama', to quote a placard.

darc wrote:

If that collection of a few hundred mostly uneducated unemployable leftie loonies protesting about their every ill represents "the voice of Ireland" then serious medical issues abound.

Yup, the disease is called passivism and apathy, especially I might add among the non-Left who don't show or protest. Anyway, nice string of attempted insults, got an actual argument to make?

NAMA is a spectacular piece if financial engineering that is an absolute requirement for the sutuation the country is in.

Not really. Even its advocates tend to be of the 'its a pile of faeces but its all we've got' approach, rather than claim it to be spectacular financial engineering. I just fail to understand why no one is laughing at it; we screwed our economy by collectively taking a flutter on property speculation, because 'leverage' sounded so much more macho than 'in debt', and now we're throwing public money down after it, because somehow we can outguess the market now, and technocratically determine what prices should be. Irony, but no lulz.

No one laughs. Lots of people are angry, many whinge about it, but no one laughs. We get phrases like 'commercially sensitive information' as the reason for the lack of tranparency (translation: 'sure he's my brother'), and 'long-term-development potential' (aka a field). And it's being swallowed. Post-colonial deference to our 'betters' in authority is the only reason I can think to explain why we don't get riled.