I'm voting 'no' for one reason only...

Reginald P. DuM · 11-09-2009 3:44pm

Ireland voting no is the equivalent of a bum throwing his bowl of soup at the staff down the soup kitchen. Sure he is pissed off cos his life sucks right now, but clearly he aint thought it through, imagine how bad it'll be when he's got no soup at all...

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 3:49pm

no its not - that is rubbish - ill vote no

baaaa · 11-09-2009 3:59pm

the_syco wrote: »

Vote no, and you'll still be stuck with them.

too true,even if all the no sides theories on being ruled by unelected elites who didn't care about us etc were to be realised(and they won't cause they're fibs), it would probably still be better than the governance we are able to provide ourselves.
Is it possible to screw up a country more than we have ouselves?
Like,does anyone really believe that we can govern ourselves out of this mess?

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:02pm

voting yes is like the bully in the playground twisting someone's arm behind thier back until they agree with them

baaaa · 11-09-2009 4:08pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

voting yes is like the bully in the playground twisting someone's arm behind thier back until they agree with them

so sad that you believe that when in reality that's whats being done to you.Crazy world eh?

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:09pm

baaaa wrote: »

so sad that you believe that when in reality that's whats being done to you.Crazy world eh?

your user name says alot bout wat u believe

Reginald P. DuM · 11-09-2009 4:12pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

no its not - that is rubbish - ill vote no

It's your right to vote however ya choose keeweeman, I will just assume your doing it for the right reasons as you see them. If it's intended to be a reactionary vote against the government then you have made an error in judgement. But fear not, there is time!!

Your No will negate my Yes, or vice versa, but thankfully there are enough sane people who will vote for it and we can move on. I predicted a yes result the last time too btw!!

On a slightly unrelated matter the sooner we see the back of the Green Party the better, and I don't mean just from the government but from the Irish political landscape entirely.

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:14pm

Reginald P. DuM wrote: »

It's your right to vote however ya choose keeweeman, I will just assume your doing it for the right reasons as you see them. If it's intended to be a reactionary vote against the government then you have made an error in judgement. But fear not, there is time!!

Your No will negate my Yes, or vice versa, but thankfully there are enough sane people who will vote for it and we can move on. I predicted a yes result the last time too btw!!

On a slightly unrelated matter the sooner we see the back of the Green Party the better, and I don't mean just from the government but from the Irish political landscape entirely.

it has nothing to do with the gov - i dont believe that if there is no vote the gov will falll however i will vote no

meglome · 11-09-2009 4:15pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

voting yes is like the bully in the playground twisting someone's arm behind thier back until they agree with them

baaaa wrote: »

so sad that you believe that when in reality that's whats being done to you.Crazy world eh?

There is pushing going on from all sides, there's no doubt about that. However I'm still waiting to hear who from the Yes side is bullying anyone and considering that the No side are telling one porky after the next I find your attitude funny.

Reginald P. DuM · 11-09-2009 4:17pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

it has nothing to do with the gov - i dont believe that if there is no vote the gov will falll however i will vote no

May I enquire why then? Maybe you know something I don't....

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:18pm

Reginald P. DuM wrote: »

May I enquire why then? Maybe you know something I don't....

it was already rejected

PopeBuckfastXVI · 11-09-2009 4:21pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

it was already rejected

Why?

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:22pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Why?

doesnt matter - it was rejected

Reginald P. DuM · 11-09-2009 4:23pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

it was already rejected

So you don't then. It was rejected out of fear, uncertainty, and a poorly conducted Yes campaign. The nay sayers with their talk of conscription and abortion had their day too. Oh and Cowan admitting he had not read it didn't help much either, despite what he may have you believe. It'll be a different story this time round.

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:24pm

Reginald P. DuM wrote: »

So you don't then. It was rejected out of fear, uncertainty, and a poorly conducted Yes campaign. The nay sayers with their talk of conscription and abortion had their day too. Oh and Cowan admitting he had not read it didn't help much either, despite what he may have you believe. It'll be a different story this time round.

it was still rejected

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:24pm

Reginald P. DuM wrote: »

So you don't then. It was rejected out of fear, uncertainty, and a poorly conducted Yes campaign. The nay sayers with their talk of conscription and abortion had their day too. Oh and Cowan admitting he had not read it didn't help much either, despite what he may have you believe. It'll be a different story this time round.

no they disagreed with the treaty

Dinner · 11-09-2009 4:25pm

Lads don't bother trying to debate with him. You won't get more than a 1 line answer that has little to do with the original question and instead lets us know how much of a strong minded individual Keewee is. He's gotten enough attention already.

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:26pm

notin wrong with being strong minded - proud of that

Reginald P. DuM · 11-09-2009 4:27pm

Dinner wrote: »

Lads don't bother trying to debate with him. You won't get more than a 1 line answer that has little to do with the original question and instead lets us know how much of a strong minded individual Keewee is. He's gotten enough attention already.

Yeah, I'm done, the words head banging and brick wall come to mind.

PopeBuckfastXVI · 11-09-2009 4:30pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

doesnt matter - it was rejected

It very much does matter if you are going to secure a better deal.

So again, why was it rejected?

Sam Vimes · 11-09-2009 4:35pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

It very much does matter if you are going to secure a better deal.

So again, why was it rejected?

The funny thing is that we did secure a better deal in that we now get to keep our commissioner but because that deal didn't require a change to the text of the treaty it's irrelevant and it's undemocratic to ask us to vote on this better deal :rolleyes:

PopeBuckfastXVI · 11-09-2009 4:39pm

Sam Vimes wrote: »

The funny thing is that we did secure a better deal in that we now get to keep our commissioner but because that deal didn't require a change to the text of the treaty it's irrelevant and it's undemocratic to ask us to vote on this better deal :rolleyes:

You got where I was going on the express train there Sam, I was taking it nice and slowly for Keewee

meglome · 11-09-2009 4:42pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

no they disagreed with the treaty

Yawn... they voted no because they didn't know what was in the treaty, or for reasons that were not in the treaty at all or for something the EU was happy to address.

yawn.

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:52pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

It very much does matter if you are going to secure a better deal.

So again, why was it rejected?

yawn yawn bore bore zzzzzzzzz -yea so the treaty should open renegotiated then it should be run in all countries as all countries are part of the treaty and revoted on

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 4:52pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

You got where I was going on the express train there Sam, I was taking it nice and slowly for Keewee

zzzzzzzzzzzzz -**** sorry fell asleep

PopeBuckfastXVI · 11-09-2009 4:54pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

yawn yawn bore bore zzzzzzzzz -yea so the treaty should open renegotiated then it should be run in all countries as all countries are part of the treaty and revoted on

What if any changes or clarifications didn't require a change to the actual treaty text?

It would be very easy to figure out if they did or not, if you could tell me the reasons we voted 'No' in the first referendum. Can you?

Keewee6 · 11-09-2009 5:19pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

What if any changes or clarifications didn't require a change to the actual treaty text?

It would be very easy to figure out if they did or not, if you could tell me the reasons we voted 'No' in the first referendum. Can you?

there would be no changes that wouldnt require re ratification - any change re ratification

PopeBuckfastXVI · 11-09-2009 5:20pm

Keewee6 wrote: »

there would be no changes that wouldnt require re ratification - any change re ratification

Read the question again, and try to answer it this time...

11-09-2009 5:22pm

Plotician wrote: »

I'm tired of public representatives who are supposed to act in the interests of the people but fail to provide the full picture.

Give me the facts and i'll make a balanced and educated choice based on that information. Give me the positives AND the negatives and don't be afraid to do so. Try to influence me with biased arguments and your own agenda then you'll get a protest vote.

A protest at what...?

A protest at a political system that endemically serves it's own purpose.
A protest at a political system that fails to fully inform the electorate.
A protest at a political system that is rife with internal agendas.
A protest at a political system that puts power before people.

Learn to trust me with the facts, and you'll get my trust in return. Until then any little act that helps provoke some self-examination is far more appealing.

And for those who say that's naieve and a 'no' for the wrong reasons - i don't care. There's a bigger picture here - it's called the true preservation of democracy.

(Guess i'm just tired of all the shyte!)

i can't believe you have the same voting rights as intelligent people.. it sickens me to think that your opinion is counted as equal to someone who votes with some legitimate reason behind their vote.

Euro_Kraut · 11-09-2009 5:27pm

Keewee6 - welcome to my ignore list. I hear its quite lovely this time year.

I'm voting 'no' for one reason only...

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