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"No to Nuts" - Anti-Coir campaign

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    #32
    Rb
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    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    Can I have Coir's posters taken down? They are offensive to people with a sense of honesty...

    In that case you can get FF and FG's posters taken down too.

    I'd love to see the lot gone actually.
    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    Coir don't do irony... but if they did they'd probably lie about it...

    Bit of a difference between asking for the posters of a faceless smear campaign to be taken down and making a complaint that their own organisation's posters have been taken down illegally.


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    #33
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    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    Coir don't do irony... but if they did they'd probably lie about it...

    Coir's posters listed Coir as the group that paid for the posters. The bunch of cowards who put these anti Coirs ones did not.

    Its not irony, its the law...but I wouldnt expect someone as biased as you to understand that.


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    #34
    ei.sdraob
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Coir's posters listed Coir as the group that paid for the posters. The bunch of cowards who put these anti Coirs ones did not.

    Its not irony, its the law...but I wouldnt expect someone as biased as you to understand that.

    who is to say it wasnt Coir themselves who put up these posters?

    in order to generate yet more controversy


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    #35
    P. Breathnach
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    The_Minister wrote: »
    ... Coir are having them taken down, and are claiming they are offensive to people with psychiatric illness

    Are they offensive to Cóir members?


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    #36
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    who is to say it wasnt Coir themselves who put up these posters?

    in order to generate yet more controversy

    LOL, one tin foil hat on its way to you!


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    #37
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    LOL, one tin foil hat on its way to you!

    im just trying to get in the same mindset as Coir :D

    know and understand your enemy they say ;) ....


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    #38
    SkepticOne
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    im just trying to get in the same mindset as Coir :D
    "Battle not with monsters..."


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    #39
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    im just trying to get in the same mindset as Coir :D

    know and understand your enemy they say ;) ....

    Dont worry you've been there all along, just a different side of the same coin ;)


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    #40
    Het-Field
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    Coir have to make you laugh !

    Offensive this, offensive that. What about the pictures of burned, and destroyed foetusus which they throw in peoples faces every Saturday on Washington Street, Eyre Square, and O Connell Street ?

    What about the picketing of Family Planning Clinics, on a level of which the Phelps family would be proud.

    No organisation should ever be charged with being offensive by the wingnuts, liers and freaks in Coir


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    #41
    Almanac
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    SkepticOne wrote: »
    "Battle not with monsters..."

    Don't know that quote.


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    #42
    Rb
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    Het-Field wrote: »
    Coir have to make you laugh !

    Offensive this, offensive that. What about the pictures of burned, and destroyed foetusus which they throw in peoples faces every Saturday on Washington Street, Eyre Square, and O Connell Street ?

    What about the picketing of Family Planning Clinics, on a level of which the Phelps family would be proud.

    No organisation should ever be charged with being offensive by the wingnuts, liers and freaks in Coir
    Indeed, hence why I don't get why their posters are brought up in discussions about the dishonesty of FF and FG in their widely published posters. They're not on the same playing field whatsoever and noone should be paying attention to Coir in any way, shape or form.

    Those who do pay attention to Coir are themselves not worth any attention, such as staunch pro-lifers or militant theists.


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    #43
    PopeBuckfastXVI
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    Rb wrote: »
    Indeed, hence why I don't get why their posters are brought up in discussions about the dishonesty of FF and FG in their widely published posters. They're not on the same playing field whatsoever and noone should be paying attention to Coir in any way, shape or form.

    Those who do pay attention to Coir are themselves not worth any attention, such as staunch pro-lifers or militant theists.

    Unfortunately people are paying attention to Coir...
    However, Cóir spokesman Richard Greene said: “We’ve got a huge response to our first series of posters.

    “So much so that Cóir’s campaign website is now the most popular Irish website on Lisbon.

    From the linked article. I know the source is slightly biased, but I've heard of 'yes' canvassers having to fight Coirs lies, so while it's easy to dismiss them and their lies when they are on the same side as you (win/win eh?) we on the other side of the room have to take them extremely seriously.


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    #44
    Het-Field
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    Rb wrote: »
    Indeed, hence why I don't get why their posters are brought up in discussions about the dishonesty of FF and FG in their widely published posters. They're not on the same playing field whatsoever and noone should be paying attention to Coir in any way, shape or form.

    Those who do pay attention to Coir are themselves not worth any attention, such as staunch pro-lifers or militant theists.

    Now that Libertas have returned, Coir will be relegated. Ganely has re-entered the field at the right time. The speculation has come true, and he will get all the coverage over the next three weeks.

    While I will be voting yes, and I have been campaigning for a yes vote, Im delighted that Libertas are back, as it relegates Coir to the background.


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    #45
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    Het-Field wrote: »
    Now that Libertas have returned, Coir will be relegated. Ganely has re-entered the field at the right time. The speculation has come true, and he will get all the coverage over the next three weeks.

    While I will be voting yes, and I have been campaigning for a yes vote, Im delighted that Libertas are back, as it relegates Coir to the background.

    Agreed Coir are nuts! This should bring some respectability back to the No side as unfortunately Coir had been getting the majority of media coverage lately, even though they only represent a tiny fraction of the No side. I wonder why the pro Lisbon press would do such a thing??
    hmmm...ahhh yes agenda...


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    #46
    ei.sdraob
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Agreed Coir are nuts! This should bring some respectability back to the No side as unfortunately Coir had been getting the majority of media coverage lately, even though they only represent a tiny fraction of the No side. I wonder why the pro Lisbon press would do such a thing??
    hmmm...ahhh yes agenda...


    that still leaves UKIP....


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    #47
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    that still leaves UKIP....

    You a provo?


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    #48
    Rb
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    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    Unfortunately people are paying attention to Coir...
    From the linked article. I know the source is slightly biased, but I've heard of 'yes' canvassers having to fight Coirs lies, so while it's easy to dismiss them and their lies when they are on the same side as you (win/win eh?) we on the other side of the room have to take them extremely seriously.

    I'm ashamed to have an organisation like Coir in my "corner", I'd much rather they weren't. I'd much, much rather hear people say they're voting No because they're against any further integration or enlargement than "The minimum wage will be 3 yen after Lisboon" or whatever other sh1te Coir are trying to sell.

    I won't say vote against Coir, as voting against any political party in itself is stupid, but if you can't find a reason that isn't one of Coirs to vote No then abstain from voting or spoil the ballot.

    I guess people will pay attention to Coir, but those people are idiots. 15% support for the Fianna Fail party as of the recent poll is more than enough proof that we've a lot of idiots in this country so it's no surprise some might believe Coir.
    Het-Field wrote: »
    Now that Libertas have returned, Coir will be relegated. Ganely has re-entered the field at the right time. The speculation has come true, and he will get all the coverage over the next three weeks.

    While I will be voting yes, and I have been campaigning for a yes vote, Im delighted that Libertas are back, as it relegates Coir to the background.

    Good point.


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    #49
    ei.sdraob
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You a provo?

    nope but thanks for reminding me about SF too (who opposed every single EU treaty including joining it)


    i dont like UKIP their whole policy revolves around dismantling the EU and they have some history

    and as I said their entry on the NO side makes it very hard for NO side to claim to be "Pro EU"


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    #50
    Het-Field
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    nope but thanks for reminding me about SF too (who opposed every single EU treaty including joining it)


    i dont like UKIP their whole policy revolves around dismantling the EU and they have some history

    and as I said their entry on the NO side makes it very hard for NO side to claim to be "Pro EU"

    I think most of the No Sides try to qualify their statements by claiming to be "Pro Europe". However, the vast majority of the No Camp are anti EU. Virtually all have their roots in campaigning against accession, and the SEA. The likes of Sinn Fein are NOT pro EU by any standards. Equally, the People's Movement, and the National Platform are anti EU.


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    #51
    Rb
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    Het-Field wrote: »
    I think most of the No Sides try to qualify their statements by claiming to be "Pro Europe". However, the vast majority of the No Camp are anti EU. Virtually all have their roots in campaigning against accession, and the SEA. The likes of Sinn Fein are NOT pro EU by any standards. Equally, the People's Movement, and the National Platform are anti EU.
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.


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    #52
    PopeBuckfastXVI
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    Rb wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.

    I wouldn't, and I wish more people calling for a 'No' vote would be as honest as you about their attitude to the EU.


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    #53
    ei.sdraob
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    Rb wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.

    The attitude of the Irish is a lot more pro EU than people in UK


    as an example we decided to go with the euro instead of being pegged to the pound, and im happy we did! since counterpart responsible savers in UK got absolutely screwed by devaluation in last year


    thankfully the "little englander" attitude seems rare, but the people with that attitude (Declan G im looking at thou) are very vocal


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    #54
    The_Minister
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Agreed Coir are nuts! This should bring some respectability back to the No side as unfortunately Coir had been getting the majority of media coverage lately, even though they only represent a tiny fraction of the No side. I wonder why the pro Lisbon press would do such a thing??
    hmmm...ahhh yes agenda...

    Because they have more money than any other single campaign.

    They put up their posters first (before they were allowed) and put up more of them than any other group.
    They also have more, and more expensive leaflets.

    Like it or not, they are leading the No side so far this time.


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    #55
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    nope
    Well using the British as an excuse would be the kind of tactic that a provo would use..
    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    but thanks for reminding me about SF too (who opposed every single EU treaty including joining it)
    Yup, they are consistent, cant fault them for that. Consistently opposing giving away more power abroad.
    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    i dont like UKIP their whole policy revolves around dismantling the EU and they have some history
    and as I said their entry on the NO side makes it very hard for NO side to claim to be "Pro EU"

    Thats just your opinion. Anyway this isnt about the UKIP or Sinn Fein so stop dragging this off topic, never know what can happen around here when that happens!


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    #56
    ei.sdraob
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    Yup, they are consistent, cant fault them for that. Consistently opposing giving away more power abroad.

    ah yes please do tell how bad the EU has been for Ireland in last few decades since we joined

    please do tell ....


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    #57
    Euro_Kraut
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    Rb wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.

    Have a look at page 37 of this report: http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb70/eb70_first_en.pdf

    67% of Irish belive EU membership is a good thing, while just 32% of British (lowest of the EU-15) believe that.

    When asked (page 41) if your country has benefited from the EU, 79% of Irish said yes (the highest), while just 39% of British people did (the joint lowest)

    Its clear that attitudes in Ireland and Britain regarding the EU are very different.


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    #58
    meglome
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    Het-Field wrote: »
    I think most of the No Sides try to qualify their statements by claiming to be "Pro Europe". However, the vast majority of the No Camp are anti EU. Virtually all have their roots in campaigning against accession, and the SEA. The likes of Sinn Fein are NOT pro EU by any standards. Equally, the People's Movement, and the National Platform are anti EU.

    I've seen several people in here say they are pro-EU but when you read their posts it's quite obvious they are no such thing. I just wish that the No campaign could be honest, if they hate the EU that's fine, that is their opinion and they're entitled to it.


    Rb wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.
    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    I wouldn't, and I wish more people calling for a 'No' vote would be as honest as you about their attitude to the EU.

    Irish people are very pro-EU and the opinion polls spell that out. If only the general public knew what a bunch of total naysayers they were listening to on the No side. You'd have to wonder how many times these people can claim a set of bad things are definitely going to happen, when they have been claiming the same things since 1973 and they still haven't happened.


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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    ah yes please do tell how bad the EU has been for Ireland in last few decades since we joined

    please do tell ....

    Leaping to conclusions there mate! I've never said I'm anti EU nor am I a Sinn Fein supporter. But do keep clutching at straws, its very entertaining :)


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    #60
    Mario007
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Leaping to conclusions there mate! I've never said I'm anti EU nor am I a Sinn Fein supporter. But do keep clutching at straws, its very entertaining :)

    don't blame him. we had so many hardcore anti eu people talking nonsense here, and also a lot of 'i'm pro eu but...' kind of people that its understandable if one of us looses it when he see signs of someone who might yet again come up with a lot of lies and nonsense about lisbon or the eu as a whole


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    #61
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    Mario007 wrote: »
    don't blame him. we had so many hardcore anti eu people talking nonsense here, and also a lot of 'i'm pro eu but...' kind of people that its understandable if one of us looses it when he see signs of someone who might yet again come up with a lot of lies and nonsense about lisbon or the eu as a whole

    Fair enough, but it is quite reasonable to be against the Treaty based on its contents without being anti EU.

    Given the Yes sides refusal to campaign on the content of the Treaty that speaks volumes to me. All you have to do is look at their posters. If it was a good deal for Ireland they would be telling us why based on the content ie vote Yes because article xyz give us 123. But they are unable to do so.


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