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"No to Nuts" - Anti-Coir campaign

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  • #52
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    Rb wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.

    I wouldn't, and I wish more people calling for a 'No' vote would be as honest as you about their attitude to the EU.


  • #53
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Rb wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.

    The attitude of the Irish is a lot more pro EU than people in UK


    as an example we decided to go with the euro instead of being pegged to the pound, and im happy we did! since counterpart responsible savers in UK got absolutely screwed by devaluation in last year


    thankfully the "little englander" attitude seems rare, but the people with that attitude (Declan G im looking at thou) are very vocal


  • #54
    The_Minister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Agreed Coir are nuts! This should bring some respectability back to the No side as unfortunately Coir had been getting the majority of media coverage lately, even though they only represent a tiny fraction of the No side. I wonder why the pro Lisbon press would do such a thing??
    hmmm...ahhh yes agenda...

    Because they have more money than any other single campaign.

    They put up their posters first (before they were allowed) and put up more of them than any other group.
    They also have more, and more expensive leaflets.

    Like it or not, they are leading the No side so far this time.


  • #55
    [Deleted User]
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    nope
    Well using the British as an excuse would be the kind of tactic that a provo would use..
    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    but thanks for reminding me about SF too (who opposed every single EU treaty including joining it)
    Yup, they are consistent, cant fault them for that. Consistently opposing giving away more power abroad.
    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    i dont like UKIP their whole policy revolves around dismantling the EU and they have some history
    and as I said their entry on the NO side makes it very hard for NO side to claim to be "Pro EU"

    Thats just your opinion. Anyway this isnt about the UKIP or Sinn Fein so stop dragging this off topic, never know what can happen around here when that happens!


  • #56
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Deleted User wrote: »

    Yup, they are consistent, cant fault them for that. Consistently opposing giving away more power abroad.

    ah yes please do tell how bad the EU has been for Ireland in last few decades since we joined

    please do tell ....


  • #57
    Euro_Kraut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    Rb wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.

    Have a look at page 37 of this report: http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb70/eb70_first_en.pdf

    67% of Irish belive EU membership is a good thing, while just 32% of British (lowest of the EU-15) believe that.

    When asked (page 41) if your country has benefited from the EU, 79% of Irish said yes (the highest), while just 39% of British people did (the joint lowest)

    Its clear that attitudes in Ireland and Britain regarding the EU are very different.


  • #58
    meglome
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    Het-Field wrote: »
    I think most of the No Sides try to qualify their statements by claiming to be "Pro Europe". However, the vast majority of the No Camp are anti EU. Virtually all have their roots in campaigning against accession, and the SEA. The likes of Sinn Fein are NOT pro EU by any standards. Equally, the People's Movement, and the National Platform are anti EU.

    I've seen several people in here say they are pro-EU but when you read their posts it's quite obvious they are no such thing. I just wish that the No campaign could be honest, if they hate the EU that's fine, that is their opinion and they're entitled to it.


    Rb wrote: »
    Tbh, I'd imagine Irish people's attitudes towards the EU are similar to the UK's.
    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    I wouldn't, and I wish more people calling for a 'No' vote would be as honest as you about their attitude to the EU.

    Irish people are very pro-EU and the opinion polls spell that out. If only the general public knew what a bunch of total naysayers they were listening to on the No side. You'd have to wonder how many times these people can claim a set of bad things are definitely going to happen, when they have been claiming the same things since 1973 and they still haven't happened.


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    ah yes please do tell how bad the EU has been for Ireland in last few decades since we joined

    please do tell ....

    Leaping to conclusions there mate! I've never said I'm anti EU nor am I a Sinn Fein supporter. But do keep clutching at straws, its very entertaining :)


  • #60
    Mario007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭Mario007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Leaping to conclusions there mate! I've never said I'm anti EU nor am I a Sinn Fein supporter. But do keep clutching at straws, its very entertaining :)

    don't blame him. we had so many hardcore anti eu people talking nonsense here, and also a lot of 'i'm pro eu but...' kind of people that its understandable if one of us looses it when he see signs of someone who might yet again come up with a lot of lies and nonsense about lisbon or the eu as a whole


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  • #61
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Mario007 wrote: »
    don't blame him. we had so many hardcore anti eu people talking nonsense here, and also a lot of 'i'm pro eu but...' kind of people that its understandable if one of us looses it when he see signs of someone who might yet again come up with a lot of lies and nonsense about lisbon or the eu as a whole

    Fair enough, but it is quite reasonable to be against the Treaty based on its contents without being anti EU.

    Given the Yes sides refusal to campaign on the content of the Treaty that speaks volumes to me. All you have to do is look at their posters. If it was a good deal for Ireland they would be telling us why based on the content ie vote Yes because article xyz give us 123. But they are unable to do so.


  • #62
    Mario007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 877 ✭✭✭Mario007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Fair enough, but it is quite reasonable to be against the Treaty based on its contents without being anti EU.

    Given the Yes sides refusal to campaign on the content of the Treaty that speaks volumes to me. All you have to do is look at their posters. If it was a good deal for Ireland they would be telling us why based on the content ie vote Yes because article xyz give us 123. But they are unable to do so.

    well you can hardly point out any articles on the posters etc. it's just too lengthly. and the yes posters are a disgrace i agree. however the no posters are just outright lies which is much worse, thus we see something like the anti-coir campaign.

    actually here on this forum people do usually refer to the articles if you ask them to. plus someone here has a sig that has ten valid reasons why yes vote is called for in lisbon(these are proper reasons not the ones you see on the posters etc.) so it might be worth checking them out. the official political campaign is a disaster in my opinion.


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