Cannabis should be legalized in Ireland To pull Our country out of ression

PatrickD32

Everyone seems to be an expert on cannabis.

Even on page 1

"Smoking three cannabis joints a day causes the same damage as 20 cigarettes because people tend to inhale the smoke for longer to gain the maximum "hit"."

Nothing annoys me more than people reiterating stories they heard and when they do repeat them they say it as fact with no source.


Annoying.

weedfreedomtinp

PatrickD32 wrote: »

Everyone seems to be an expert on cannabis.

Even on page 1

"Smoking three cannabis joints a day causes the same damage as 20 cigarettes because people tend to inhale the smoke for longer to gain the maximum "hit"."

Nothing annoys me more than people reiterating stories they heard and when they do repeat them they say it as fact with no source.


Annoying.

wtf u on about rick Simpson will give you personally 100.000 if you prove him wrong


watch the vid .. u all stupid when a cure is in front of you .. you dont believe it .. well typical irish man


proff from the bbc http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7098340.stm

PatrickD32

weedfreedomtinp wrote: »

wtf u on about rick Simpson will give you personally 100.000 if you prove him wrong


watch the vid .. u all stupid when a cure is in front of you .. you dont believe it .. well typical irish man


proff from the bbc http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7098340.stm

wtf u reacting with me for

Wasnt talkin about you

weedfreedomtinp

PatrickD32 wrote: »

wtf u reacting with me for

Wasnt talkin about you

sorry bout that , just people annoy me when they wont listen .. please watch the vid if ur intrested in knowing the truth ,,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7331006790306000271#


proof

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7098340.stm

Flamed Diving

Here is a list of the academic literature for the search term "Cannabis cancer cure":

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=cannabis+cancer+cure&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

Go find the evidence.

Flamed Diving

weedfreedomtinp wrote: »

proof

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7098340.stm

a) That isn't proof, it is evidence. There is a BIG difference.

b) That is not a cure, it is a treatment.

weedfreedomtinp

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Here is a list of the academic literature for the search term "Cannabis cancer cure":

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=cannabis+cancer+cure&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

Go find the evidence.

i have my evidence thanks anyway mate

weedfreedomtinp

The California Pacific Medical Center Research Institute team are hopeful that cannabidiol or CBD could be a non-toxic alternative to chemotherapy.

weedfreedomtinp

weedfreedomtinp

as it says in the rick simpson video RUN FROM THE CURE ..coz thats what you are doin

also rick simpson will give you 100.000 dollers to prove him wrong ...

http://www.phoenixtears.ca/

Flamed Diving

weedfreedomtinp wrote: »

i have my evidence thanks anyway mate

What I linked to is a database of all the academic literature in the world. It is the definitive source of all scientific knowledge... and you say no thanks...

I feel utterly vindicated, enjoy your video shows.

weedfreedomtinp

Flamed Diving wrote: »

What I linked to is a database of all the academic literature in the world. It is the definitive source of all scientific knowledge... and you say no thanks...

I feel utterly vindicated, enjoy your video shows.

sorry i did not understand it .. now i do ,, thanks and it was not my intention to throw it back at you .. sorry again

Landoflemon

Weedfreedom, you my friend are a man/woman of ignorant opinion.

Why do criminals and their gangs sell weed? I can guarantee you it is not because they believe in giving people the freedom to chose what they can and cannot smoke. It's because it is an easy way to make money and they don't have to pay anything back to the government.

Corrupt people are corrupt permanently. If you take away their income from the illegal sale of cannibis do you think they are just gonna go "Hey, well it was nice while it lasted, all good things must come to an end..."???

The answer is no. Humans are by nature often selfish, greedy narcissistic beings. Most people can contain these facets of human nature to an extent that remains socially acceptable. If criminals and gangs start losing money because of legalisation of cannabis, do you honestly think they will just accept it? It will merely encourage them to increase their sales of the other (arguably more harmful and dangerous) drugs. Criminals will not standby and watch their income evaporate.

weedfreedomtinp

Landoflemon wrote: »

Weedfreedom, you my friend are a man/woman of ignorant opinion.

Why do criminals and their gangs sell weed? I can guarantee you it is not because they believe in giving people the freedom to chose what they can and cannot smoke. It's because it is an easy way to make money and they don't have to pay anything back to the government.

Corrupt people are corrupt permanently. If you take away their income from the illegal sale of cannibis do you think they are just gonna go "Hey, well it was nice while it lasted, all good things must come to an end..."???

The answer is no. Humans are by nature often selfish, greedy narcissistic beings. Most people can contain these facets of human nature to an extent that remains socially acceptable. If criminals and gangs start losing money because of legalisation of cannabis, do you honestly think they will just accept it? It will merely encourage them to increase their sales of the other (arguably more harmful and dangerous) drugs. Criminals will not standby and watch their income evaporate.

look you have dealers in everything ,, tobacco , alcohol , drugs , guns , and much more .. look if you regulate drugs .. it stops dealers making big profit ,, come on u must see that..

plus drug problem should be a social problem not a criminal problem ,, so what you saying is . if you believe that your cannabis oil is curing you , just because its illegal u should not be allowed to have it ..

Landoflemon

"It stops dealers making big profit"

There. Exactly. You just went and said it yourself. Dealers will not stand around and do nothing when they see their profit diminishing. They will begin to rely more on the sale of the other (more) dangerous substances.

Can I ask you what do you stand to gain by the legalisation of Cannabis? It being currently illegal does not affect me in the slightest, please enlighten me.

weedfreedomtinp

Landoflemon wrote: »

"It stops dealers making big profit"

There. Exactly. You just went and said it yourself. Dealers will not stand around and do nothing when they see their profit diminishing. They will begin to rely more on the sale of the other (more) dangerous substances.

Can I ask you what do you stand to gain by the legalisation of Cannabis? It being currently illegal does not affect me in the slightest, please enlighten me.

We believe that the use of Cannabis ought to be a matter of choice and not of law.
We believe that the prohibition of Cannabis is against the public interest.
We believe that the prohibition of Cannabis contravenes our Human Rights.
We believe that the prohibition of Cannabis inhibits the use of a beneficial source for all mankind.
We believe that the legalisation of Cannabis is a very important step that should be taken to benefit the people and their environment.




Proposals


That Cannabis and Cannabis products should be removed from the Irish Misuse of Drugs Act, thereby being legalised.
That the possession, cultivation and use of pure Cannabis and Cannabis products, be free from prosecution for all people.
That Cannabis be re-introduced into our society.
That high priority be given to the cultivation of Cannabis for the express purpose of the localised production of virtually cost-free fuels through the process of pyrolysis on Cannabis biomass, and as a source of fibre and hurd.
That a license for growing Cannabis be issued to those people who wish to pay the license fee, for either medical use or social use.
That provision be made to enable the setting-up of public establishments where the sale of Cannabis is permitted, under regulations.
That at least the same level of protection be given to the Cannabis consumer as is given to the consumers of other commodities: weights and measures, quality and more.
That all prisoners presently held only on Cannabis convictions or charges be released from custody without delay and that all criminal records for Cannabis offences be expunged.



Anticipated results from our proposals


RESULTS ANTICIATED FROM PUTTING OUR PROPOSALS INTO ACTION
Decrease in general crime rate.
Easing of the drugs problem
Increase in police and court resources to fight and deal with serious crime
Increase in Government revenue through taxation on profits and job creations
Increase in public and social well-being, spirit, health and happiness.
Decrease in pollution.
Decrease in the price of fuel and energy for our homes, businesses, factories etc.
Decease in unemployment.

Landoflemon

Man, the amount of your response that is simple copy and paste from websites is actually sickening. Form your own opinions and sentences you braindead goof.

http://www.petitiononline.com/0110/petition.html

Landoflemon

Over and out...

weedfreedomtinp

Landoflemon wrote: »

Man, the amount of your response that is simple copy and paste from websites is actually sickening. Form your own opinions and sentences you braindead goof.

http://www.petitiononline.com/0110/petition.html

why you even post when ya have nothin to say ya dummy

nesf

weedfreedomtinp wrote: »

why you even post when ya have nothin to say ya dummy

Congratulations on winning today's week long ban!

Overheal

weedfreedomtinp wrote: »

We believe that the prohibition of Cannabis contravenes our Human Rights.

I understand you are not able to respond to this right now, but when you get the opportunity please refer to which Article of Human Rights is being contravened by the prohibition of Cannabis and THC.

That high priority be given to the cultivation of Cannabis for the express purpose of the localised production of virtually cost-free fuels through the process of pyrolysis on Cannabis biomass, and as a source of fibre and hurd.

Theres no such thing as a virtually cost free fuel. And bio-diesels made from Ethanol and Corn have only driven up the cost of this simple crop that used to only make a cheap side dish for potatoes. It might have been really cheap to produce ethanol before it was the in-thing to do, but the market has responded to demand, and the price has gone up. It would be the same thing with any substance you try to introduce as a low cost fueling alternative. In this case even if Cannabis plant made an efficient fuel source and had nearly the same Octane as petroleum based products, the development as a fuel would only serve to drive the price up; hence it would never be competitive with Petrol.

That a license for growing Cannabis be issued to those people who wish to pay the license fee, for either medical use or social use.

It escapes memory at the moment but in the US there is one licensing dispute - was it over guns or drugs? Anyway, just because its theoretically possible to get a license, the government is by no means obligated to issue licenses, and can severely limit the quantity of licenses available.

Decrease in general crime rate.

Of course. in general, Aggregate Crime Rate. Not of actual crime. Not of traffic offenses, violence, rape, robbery, etc. Just in drug related offences, with one less drug offence to enforce.

Easing of the drugs problem

How exactly?

Increase in police and court resources to fight and deal with serious crime
Increase in Government revenue through taxation on profits and job creations

Just like tobacco revenues shot up for a while, then leveled off due the large amount of people simply quitting; then the gradual increases in taxation ever since just to keep that figure of revenue steady?

For a short time that may be true, until people stop smoking due to exorbitant cost or simply return to the black market.

Decrease in pollution.

How exactly?

Decrease in the price of fuel and energy for our homes, businesses, factories etc.

How exactly?

Decease in unemployment.

How exactly?

Flamed Diving

This is probably the worst thread I have ever seen. Yet, I can't look away...

terenc

weedfreedomtinp wrote: »

sorry but your a fool

Maybe I am a fool but everybody is entitled to an opinion and maybe if someday you took a wander down the to a methadone clinic and asked these people coming out clutching their meths what was the first drug they took.
The majority will say cannabis and if they could push back the clock they
would not have smoked cannabis, and if you don't believe me ask them, that is if you can come out of your comfort zone and walk down to a clinic and meet these people.
Drugs cause enough hardship and suffering and we want to legalize it?

kleefarr

terenc wrote: »

...
Drugs cause enough hardship and suffering

Yep and one of the drugs that cause the most hardship and suffering is alcohol. It would be a good idea to ban that as well.

Shulgin

This isn`t directly related to the argument but very interesting all the same


http://blogs.wsj.com/new-europe/2009/12/08/czech-govt-allows-5-cannabis-plants-for-personal-use-from-2010/


The interim Czech government, led by chief statistician-turned-Prime Minister Jan Fischer, Monday took another step towards making casual marijuana smoking a worry-free affair.

Fischer’s cabinet defined what constitutes “small amounts” of cannabis for personal use, clarifying the country’s new penal code that from next year decriminalizes cultivation and possession of the plant by individuals.

As of Jan. 1 ordinary Czechs can grow up to five marijuana plants or have several marijuana cigarettes in their pockets without fear of criminal prosecution. Previously what constituted a small amount was not specified and the police and courts loosely interpreted the penal code case by case, often resulting in incarceration of home growers......

thebman

terenc wrote: »

Maybe I am a fool but everybody is entitled to an opinion and maybe if someday you took a wander down the to a methadone clinic and asked these people coming out clutching their meths what was the first drug they took.
The majority will say cannabis and if they could push back the clock they
would not have smoked cannabis, and if you don't believe me ask them, that is if you can come out of your comfort zone and walk down to a clinic and meet these people.
Drugs cause enough hardship and suffering and we want to legalize it?

They didn't start on Cannabis, they started on Chocalate in that case or maybe tea or coffee :rolleyes:

The reality I imagine is that they try the first illegal drug and think well this doesn't do much harm, I wonder was about the other illegal drugs. Probably not that harmful either. I've broken the law now too so might as well give them a go.

Cannabis is only a gateway drug because its illegal IMO. People that try it are more likely to go onto other illegal drugs because they have already broken the law.

Zambia

Sorry if some of this has been said and answered. I only really could wade through the first few pages.

I would like to see cannabis legalised for trial period. I would like to see areas where it is produced regulated. Price regulated along the lines of tobacco. It should only be sold from licensed specialised tobacconists.

Predefined areas of consumption which can only be your home our outdoor marked cafe's as all in all other areas smoking is banned.

After a year or so get some feed back and decide wether it is worth keeping.

I don't see how it can hurt the economy any more than FF have. We use the Tax revenue from the sale of the stuff to pay for the staff to monitor the regulations.

Not everyone who tries cannabis goes on to harder drugs.
Not everyone who smokes cannabis is stoned all the time.
Just as
Not everyone who drinks beer advances to Whiskey. I tried it did not like it and stayed on beer.
Not everyone who drinks is always Drunk.

whynotwhycanti

i believe if you ask those people down a methadone clinic what is the first drug they tried it would have been alcohol or tobacco. The first illegal drug they tried was most likely cannabis but they had probably smoked cigarettes or drank alcohol prior to that, i know i did. In fact, i had drank for a number of years before trying cannabis. So for me, alcohol or tobacco was my gateway drug.

Your arguement is flawed, go to any AA meeting and they may argue they wish they had never drank alcohol or alcohol should be illegal. The fact is we live in a state where alchol abuse is promoted and socially accepeted, yet at the same time we can openly say we do not do drugs. The hypocrisy is outstanding. I have been told by people who tend to abuse drink a huge amount that they have never or never will take drugs. They actually do not think alcohol is a drug yet when i tell them to simply look in a dicitonary they refuse it. Ignorance is bliss i guess. I still do not know if i would like cannabis completely legal but when i live in a country where alcohol abuse is rampant and foregin people when they come here are amazed at how integrated it is to our society, i feel a bit annoyed when people are on here trying to demonise cannabis yet not even noting how ignorant they sound.

Mossticles

Amen to that. A Trial would give us our answers. Ignorant demonisers.

shoegirl

Landoflemon wrote: »

"It stops dealers making big profit"

There. Exactly. You just went and said it yourself. Dealers will not stand around and do nothing when they see their profit diminishing. They will begin to rely more on the sale of the other (more) dangerous substances.

Can I ask you what do you stand to gain by the legalisation of Cannabis? It being currently illegal does not affect me in the slightest, please enlighten me.

The California solution might be appropriate. Instead of simply legalizing the dealers, they permitted it for "medicinal purposes" and based the businesses around that. As a result, production is more regulated and they are now considering greater levels of legalization as it is estimated to raise as much as 6 billion dollars a year in tax!!