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Why ireland deserves lisbon

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    #32
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    I was a libertas supporter,im not aware of any lies that they told.Libertas was the biggest advocate of a no vote in the last referendum and it was just other small inconsequential groups that the yes side refer when talking about lies.

    http://irish-american-news-opinion.blogspot.com/2008/06/eight-reasons-to-vote-no-to-lisbon.html

    These look familiar?


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    #33
    imeddyhobbs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭imeddyhobbs


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    i tell ya, you gonna feel very foolish once you read this

    how about the

    "keep our commissioner" posters?

    lets see now ...



    whats that?! He aint "our" commissioner :eek:

    oh dear! what a lie you fell for ....

    /

    Well if it was such a LIE then what is the difference between this referendum and the last one?


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    #34
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Well if it was such a LIE then what is the difference between this referendum and the last one?


    This time around the commissioners get to stay as is if the treaty passes or they would go as per original Nice Treaty

    but they are still not "our", the commissioners serve all of the people in the EU

    do read up on what the Commission does, tho its a bit late now



    so well done

    Libertas managed to dupe people into voting for

    keeping useless and expensive bureaucrats in power

    or "unelected elites" as Declan Ganley calls them
    smell the irony


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    #35
    imeddyhobbs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭imeddyhobbs


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    This time around the commissioners get to stay as is if the treaty passes or they would go as per original Nice Treaty

    but they are still not "our", the commissioners serve all of the people in the EU

    do read up on what the Commission does, tho its a bit late now



    so well done

    Libertas managed to dupe people into voting for

    keeping useless and expensive bureaucrats in power

    or "unelected elites" as Declan Ganley calls them
    smell the irony
    Please dont be so condescending, condescending like European bureaucrats that made this treaty and condescending bureaucrats that have Ireland voting twice on the same document,condecending bureaucrats that will still be in the european commission after a yes or no vote.I am open to persuasion but i do not get good reasons why i should vote yes from the yes side,All i seem to hear and read is dismissive remarks from the yes side towards the no side.Its not the no side that is fighting a negative campaign,Its the yes side that are doing that mostly through dismissive and patronising
    methods.If you dont vote yes you're stupid seems to be the attitude


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    #36
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Please dont be so condescending, condescending like European bureaucrats that made this treaty and condescending bureaucrats have Ireland voting twice on the same document,condecending bureaucrats that will still be in the european commission after a yes or no vote.

    But, he makes a good point.

    What's the alternative imeddyhobbs?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #37
    imeddyhobbs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭imeddyhobbs


    K-9 wrote: »
    But, he makes a good point.

    What's the alternative imeddyhobbs?

    First of all we vote no.

    Then the peoples of europe have a proper debate,thats it.


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    #38
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    First of all we vote no.

    Then the peoples of europe have a proper debate,thats it.

    Why did the peoples of Europe not have a proper debate when first the Constitution and then Lisbon were being negotiated? We've had seven years to debate what's in this treaty.

    cordially,
    scofflaw


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    #39
    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    First of all we vote no.

    Then the peoples of europe have a proper debate,thats it.

    OK, How do you elect an EU Commissioner who is supposed to be Non political?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #40
    imeddyhobbs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭imeddyhobbs


    K-9 wrote: »
    OK, How do you elect an EU Commissioner who is supposed to be Non political?
    Do i sound like one of those characters out of euro disney?

    Thats their job to do not mine,I just want them to do it under the system that they were elected in in the first place...Democracy


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    #41
    imeddyhobbs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭imeddyhobbs


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Why did the peoples of Europe not have a proper debate when first the Constitution and then Lisbon were being negotiated? We've had seven years to debate what's in this treaty.

    cordially,
    scofflaw

    7 years my ass,the mainstreem media only started talking about this a few months before the first referendum,Why is that


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    #42
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    7 years my ass,the mainstreem media only started talking about this a few months before the first referendum,Why is that

    Because the mainstream media live by readership/listenership/viewers, so they don't put stuff on that people aren't interested in. The electorate ignore boring things like treaties until they're put in front of them, and then they say "What's this? I don't know anything about it! Nobody told meeee!".

    Whatever the vote in October, interest may just about hold up until the next budget, and then everyone will go back to ignoring the whole thing...until next time, when the whole sorry drama will be played out all over again.

    What does the No side do between campaigns?

    cordially,
    scofflaw


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    #43
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    ... What does the No side do between campaigns?...

    Make posters.


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    #44
    BlitzKrieg
    Registered Users Posts: 14,685 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    What does the No side do between campaigns?

    during the general elctions, nothing it seems since lisbon was never brought up in 2007, a year before the referendum.


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    #45
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    imeddyhobbs wrote: »
    Please dont be so condescending,

    i was not being condescending but yes i was being highly sarcastic, since its hard to remain sane when faced with the same lies over and over


    you fell for a clear lie based on your lack of understanding oh how the EU works, and whats worse you voted on it and telling others to do so as well



    please do a small tiny bit of research on commissioner (there are other lies from libertas btw) im not your teacher but members here on boards would be happy to clear any questions about Lisbon, theres no harm in asking

    its your job to be a responsible citizen and ensure your vote is not being manipulated by such clear lying by the likes of that commissioner poster


    if anything it was Libertas who were condescending by peddling all their **** to the people in hope it would stick


    put the blame where it belongs please, these debates wouldnt be happening if Libertas didnt decide to put them posters up

    and its happening again this time around

    with the likes of Coir, Socialists and now Sinn Fein putting up posters that are either lies or have nothing to do with the Treaty

    why are you not in arms about that?


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    #46
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    Make posters.

    Sounds about right. As soon as this referendum is over they'll start making up their posters about all the problems with the next treaty. And if you think the fact that the next treaty hasn't been written yet will be any kind of hindrance to this process you don't understand the no campaign


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    #47
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Sounds about right. As soon as this referendum is over they'll start making up their posters about all the problems with the next treaty. And if you think the fact that the next treaty hasn't been written yet will be any kind of hindrance to this process you don't understand the no campaign

    they would just reuse the same posters

    theres nothing original this time around when compared to Nice for example


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    #48
    PopeBuckfastXVI
    Registered Users Posts: 5,155 ✭✭✭PopeBuckfastXVI


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    they would just reuse the same posters

    theres nothing original this time around when compared to Nice for example

    Come now, they never said Nice was the last ever referendum, in fairness.

    They did say it would lead us into a European army, force us to join NATO, force us to legalise abortion...


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