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Logical reasons to vote NO

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    #32
    Húrin
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    zielarz wrote: »
    3. UE is XXI century Soviet Union. UE might not be as bad as SU but they have a lot in common. If the treaty is ratified UE will get a legal entity and countries like Ireland will become counties within the UE. Counties by their nature are not sovereign. UE is implementing a planned economy the same way as Soviet Unions was.

    This is supposed to be a logical reason? The socialists are saying vote no because the EU is too capitalist. Are you aware of that?
    zielarz wrote: »
    So stop saying that EU doesn't charge VAT. As long as we're in the EU we have to charge this tax. Most of the products food, houses, cars etc. would be cheaper if there was no VAT.

    I'm sorry but you're wrong. Is excise and customs compulsory for EU contries? It is. EU sets the minimum amount of petrol excise which has to be charged by each country. Tell me how do you feel knowing that 60% of your money is robbed every time you refuel?

    VAT is not charged on food and houses as far as I know. I don't see why it shouldn't be applied to cars or most other products.

    Tax on Petrol isn't "robbery". It's necessary to pay for roads and the other massive expenditures needed to keep this country driving.
    Tarobot wrote: »
    I've also heard the stat that more people work for Dublin City Council than the EU. Heh..

    Similarly more people work for Kent than the EU.


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    #33
    Scofflaw
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    donegalfella wrote: »
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    Yes, but the US is unusual, not the other way round, as a quick glance at this will show you. There is no evidence that Ireland wouldn't charge VAT if it weren't part of the EU, and I'd be surprised if we didn't introduce it when the UK did.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    Permabear
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    #35
    Red Sleeping Beauty
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    Scofflaw wrote: »
    The EU doesn't charge you VAT on goods bought outside the EU. As to why "the EU" charges customs duties - because the EU is a customs union, which means that customs duties are collected only at the borders of the union area. The EU gets the customs duties (although the member states keep 25% because they do the collection), because that is how the member states unanimously agreed they would fund the EU. Those duties would be there whether the EU existed or not - except that if it didn't, then you'd be charged customs duties by the Irish government on everything that entered Ireland.

    regards,
    Scofflaw

    Yeah I know all this. The question was (slightly tongue in cheek) to the other poster with regards to the EU charging me VAT today on goods bought outside the EU. I'm well aware of the cushy outside EU/VAT situation from the Channel Islands thing where the likes of play.com opperate out of.


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    18AD
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    zielarz wrote: »
    A yes vote basically means that you agree with the way the UE works today. I can't agree with many things in the UE and the treaty is not going to fix any of these issues. Here are my 3 main reasons to vote no.

    1. UE opposition to free market economy. Today UE will charge you VAT and customs duty on goods bought outside of EU. This is not fair and it's affecting anybody who wants to buy cheap products.

    2. High taxes. The guarantees Ireland got won't change anything because EU already has enough power to increase taxes. VAT and excise are only two examples of taxes controlled by the UE today. Most people are probably not aware that about 60% of the price of the petrol is excise. Imagine that you could buy petrol 60% cheaper. Every product which is transported today to a shop would be cheaper if they at least reduced the excise. Unfortunately, they don't say anything about reducing taxes in the treaty...

    3. UE is XXI century Soviet Union. UE might not be as bad as SU but they have a lot in common. If the treaty is ratified UE will get a legal entity and countries like Ireland will become counties within the UE. Counties by their nature are not sovereign. UE is implementing a planned economy the same way as Soviet Unions was.

    Where in the treaty does it say this stuff? I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to figure out what the thing is all about...

    Cheers.
    AD


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    #37
    ei.sdraob
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    18AD wrote: »
    Where in the treaty does it say this stuff? I'm not doubting you, I'm just trying to figure out what the thing is all about...

    Cheers.
    AD

    start here ;)

    http://www.lisbontreaty2009.ie/

    there are downloadable brochures at bottom of that site and the referendum commission are Neutral

    reading boards is a sure way to confuse yourself more with all sort of lies being made such as the master peace you quoted

    :)


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