RIP Darren Sutherland

T-K-O

LZ5by5 wrote: »

He did seem like a lovely bloke, so upbeat too. I thought he got a bit of a bad rap off others because he apparently "settled" for the bronze medal at the Olympics. FFS it was an olympic medal and the bloke rightfully was delighted that he won it. That didn't necessarily equate to him giving up, just the media stirring **** up as usual. It really is a shocking event, I think Darren personifies the idea that you can never know what's going on in someone's head.

I know I was on here giving out that Darren only won the Bronze but that is because I thought the gold was well within him. None of that matters now.

jaxy999

Very very sad. R.I.P. Darren

joepenguin

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Never ever doubt a boxers heart!That is the biggest insult you can give any boxer and after what happened this is especially bad form.And you don't seem to know much about olympic boxing as he would have been in the final had he beaten DeGale,the two losing semi-finalists get bronze with the winners fighting it out for the gold and silver.

REST IN PEACE DARREN

Nobody is questioning Darrens heart. He was hyped at winning the medal and knew he bought a ticket to fullfilling his dreams. His heart was set on pro boxing and I think that was evident even in the semis.

Johner

16 year old Darren training

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0E8Yuv5lo&feature=related

RIP Champ

Star Bingo

reading today's herald.. whatever did he 'pour his heart out' about?

tupence worth, a swish pad in greater london might seem ideal for one in their late 20's, but it can be a cold and unforgiving place. so i put myself there and try to get a sense... - but if it turns out this were over some scatty blond he may have bn blown off by.. or the self-conscious eye injury thing.. that seems odd - still, an erratic choice he made.



-RIP man. champ.. maybe he knew he SHOULD have won gold.

mufc4lfe

Ive been thinking about Darren Sutherlands suicide for the last few days now coming up with answers as to why he would carry out such a terrible act.He had everything going for him and it wasnt as if boxing had to be his life because as some people might not know he had a degree in sport and exercise science(I think thats what its called) from D.C.U. to fall back on.I think I have an answer and I feel I can relate to my theory on why Darren ended his life.We all know Darren won bronze in the Bejing Olympics 2008 which was a great achievement but a lot of people were saying he should and could have won gold if only he had a bit more drive in him.Now to myself,I got 275 pts in my leaving cert and was happy with it but people said if I had more drive I could have done better.Darren turned pro which was his dream and he got off to a perfect start but then WHAT HAPPENED?I started college and see this as turning pro.I think Darren was a bit of a perfectionist(he said he would love to go unbeaten which strengthens my theory) and with all the time he had to himself he started looking back over his life and his ameatur boxing career.I started looking back at my leaving cert results.Darren felt he could have done better and possibly won gold and felt he let himself down and couldnt go back and change it.I lately started feeling I could have done better in my leaving and got enough points to do teaching.The difference being of course I have accepted it and moved on where as Darren being the perfection driven athlete he was felt he could not live any longer with this always in his mind for the rest of his life.Obviosly I dont feel this was the sole reason he took his life,I think he was lonely,loseing confidence in his boxing ability and feeling the immense pressure that must come with being a pro boxer.But I feel his Olympic regrets(if he actually had some as I dont think he publically came out saying he had any regrets) was the main factor.
CHECK THIS OUT:quote from DARRENS bebo page...
Scared Of
Being a failure.. Dont wanna live my life with regrets.. Wanna make the most of my opportunites

DARREN I FEEL YOUR DEATH WAS A COP OUT AND YOU HAVE NOW LEFT YOUR FAMILY,FRIENDS,AND MANY ADORERS MOURNING YOUR LOSS.
HOPE YOU FOUND YOUR PEACE NOW...GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN...IRISH OLYMPIC HERO...R.I.P DARREN SUTHERLAND

Denalihighway

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Ive been thinking about Darren Sutherlands suicide for the last few days now coming up with answers as to why he would carry out such a terrible act.He had everything going for him and it wasnt as if boxing had to be his life because as some people might not know he had a degree in sport and exercise science(I think thats what its called) from D.C.U. to fall back on.I think I have an answer and I feel I can relate to my theory on why Darren ended his life.We all know Darren won bronze in the Bejing Olympics 2008 which was a great achievement but a lot of people were saying he should and could have won gold if only he had a bit more drive in him.Now to myself,I got 275 pts in my leaving cert and was happy with it but people said if I had more drive I could have done better.Darren turned pro which was his dream and he got off to a perfect start but then WHAT HAPPENED?I started college and see this as turning pro.I think Darren was a bit of a perfectionist(he said he would love to go unbeaten which strengthens my theory) and with all the time he had to himself he started looking back over his life and his ameatur boxing career.I started looking back at my leaving cert results.Darren felt he could have done better and possibly won gold and felt he let himself down and couldnt go back and change it.I lately started feeling I could have done better in my leaving and got enough points to do teaching.The difference being of course I have accepted it and moved on where as Darren being the perfection driven athlete he was felt he could not live any longer with this always in his mind for the rest of his life.Obviosly I dont feel this was the sole reason he took his life,I think he was lonely,loseing confidence in his boxing ability and feeling the immense pressure that must come with being a pro boxer.But I feel his Olympic regrets(if he actually had some as I dont think he publically came out saying he had any regrets) was the main factor.
CHECK THIS OUT:quote from DARRENS bebo page...
Scared Of
Being a failure.. Dont wanna live my life with regrets.. Wanna make the most of my opportunites

DARREN I FEEL YOUR DEATH WAS A COP OUT AND YOU HAVE NOW LEFT YOUR FAMILY,FRIENDS,AND MANY ADORERS MOURNING YOUR LOSS.
HOPE YOU FOUND YOUR PEACE NOW...GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN...IRISH OLYMPIC HERO...R.I.P DARREN SUTHERLAND

Are you for real???

All I say is it's a good thing you didn't get enough points and decide on psychology, I'm not sure it would have worked out...

Dude, I'm sure I speak for the others on this thread when I say, please keep the amateur psycho-analytics for somewhere else.

RIP Darren.

mufc4lfe

Denalihighway wrote: »

Are you for real???

All I say is it's a good thing you didn't get enough points and decide on psychology, I'm not sure it would have worked out...

Dude, I'm sure I speak for the others on this thread when I say, please keep the amateur psycho-analytics for somewhere else.

RIP Darren.

Aw come on thats harsh!Have you a theory on his death?...Exactly didnt think so!Keep your sly remarks to yourself,I'm only trying to contribute to the forum.:mad:

wow sierra

None of us has a clue what makes another person do anything. I agree completely that the amatuer psychology doesn't belong on this thread.

Rest in Peace Darren and can everyone keep his family and friends (and other people contemplating suicide) in their prayers.

fryup

walshb wrote: »

There has been so so many nice fighters in the business, more nice guys than nasty guys I would say.

yes, nice guys with a hard & ruthless edge i.e. Ali, Foreman, Leonard

Winters

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Ive been thinking about Darren Sutherlands suicide for the last few days now coming up with answers as to why he would carry out such a terrible act.He had everything going for him and it wasnt as if boxing had to be his life because as some people might not know he had a degree in sport and exercise science(I think thats what its called) from D.C.U. to fall back on.I think I have an answer and I feel I can relate to my theory on why Darren ended his life.We all know Darren won bronze in the Bejing Olympics 2008 which was a great achievement but a lot of people were saying he should and could have won gold if only he had a bit more drive in him.Now to myself,I got 275 pts in my leaving cert and was happy with it but people said if I had more drive I could have done better.Darren turned pro which was his dream and he got off to a perfect start but then WHAT HAPPENED?I started college and see this as turning pro.I think Darren was a bit of a perfectionist(he said he would love to go unbeaten which strengthens my theory) and with all the time he had to himself he started looking back over his life and his ameatur boxing career.I started looking back at my leaving cert results.Darren felt he could have done better and possibly won gold and felt he let himself down and couldnt go back and change it.I lately started feeling I could have done better in my leaving and got enough points to do teaching.The difference being of course I have accepted it and moved on where as Darren being the perfection driven athlete he was felt he could not live any longer with this always in his mind for the rest of his life.Obviosly I dont feel this was the sole reason he took his life,I think he was lonely,loseing confidence in his boxing ability and feeling the immense pressure that must come with being a pro boxer.But I feel his Olympic regrets(if he actually had some as I dont think he publically came out saying he had any regrets) was the main factor.
CHECK THIS OUT:quote from DARRENS bebo page...
Scared Of
Being a failure.. Dont wanna live my life with regrets.. Wanna make the most of my opportunites

DARREN I FEEL YOUR DEATH WAS A COP OUT AND YOU HAVE NOW LEFT YOUR FAMILY,FRIENDS,AND MANY ADORERS MOURNING YOUR LOSS.
HOPE YOU FOUND YOUR PEACE NOW...GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN...IRISH OLYMPIC HERO...R.I.P DARREN SUTHERLAND

tl;dr gb2bebo.

akindoc

Still can't believe this. I can understand someone being depressed, but depressed enough to want to kill themselves? It's totally totally shocking to imagine Sutherland in that state. He did seem an introspective lad but a lad with a good head on his shoulders and a lad who knew where he was going. I can't believe he would hang himself, but there it is. Breaks my heart so much. Such an unnecessary thing to do. The question of why he did it is really interesting because he seemingly had everything to live for. He worked so hard in his life to get an olympic medal and go back to get his LC and then get into college... remarkable show of character by the way.

Shocking. But from what I know of suicide cases, they usually seem to happen out of the blue. A person who is genuinely suicidal will never talk about it. I wonder how long he was feeling this way and why. It surely wasn't a split second decision.

RIP Darren.

akindoc

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Aw come on thats harsh!Have you a theory on his death?...Exactly didnt think so!Keep your sly remarks to yourself,I'm only trying to contribute to the forum.:mad:

We can all hypothesize on Darrens death. Truth is we will never know why for real. It's in bad taste to publically discuss it on a public forum imo. The guy is deceased 48 hours for gods sake. I'm sure the reason will come out in good time, if not, big deal. Plenty of people who knew him will read this thread so keep that in mind.

ironictoaster

I posted this on the MMA forum, might as well post it here also.

He aspired my little cousin(14) to take up boxing when everyone had boxing fever during the olympics. He then went to see him a times in DCU and in Dunboyne were Darren repeated the leaving cert (my cousin goes to that school) and got his autograph and photo with him, it's now framed in his bedroom.

Since then boxing has made him more confident, lose a lot of weight and more focused becoming a better boxer. I have never seen someone training 7 days a week in any sport at that age.

Rest in Peace Darren, you will be remembered.

maldondo

RIP Darren, Hope you find peace.

Denalihighway

mufc4lfe wrote: »

Aw come on thats harsh!Have you a theory on his death?...Exactly didnt think so!Keep your sly remarks to yourself,I'm only trying to contribute to the forum.:mad:

I have many theories on many things.

Your 'theory' is just ill-conceived conjecture...on an RIP thread. That's why I said what I said.

rebel girl 15

Frank Moloney, his manager - this video appeared on youtube last night from him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynTrSIAI9ag

Lads, I agree with the above posters, this is a thread to appreciate what Sutherland did in his short life, not to psychoanalyse his death. Many people have been touched by suicide and Darren's death shows that it can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. The worst thing is that he was getting help, the psychologists appointments.

He was such a talent that had so much potential. A guy who had his head on his shoulders, got to admire him for what he did in coming back from England to do his Leaving at 20, in a school with students 18/19 and having to wear a school uniform. Being smart enough to know that he needed something to fall back on, going to college but training extremely hard at that time. What he did for creggys cousin and many other kids - his infectious enthuaism for everything he did. I'll never forget when he won that medal in the Olympics, or the picture of him coming off the plane with that broad smile across his face. I hope he is in peace now - and that his family and friends come to some sort of terms with his death, because no matter what happens after that, they will never fully come to terms with it.

Handsome Bob

creggy wrote: »

I posted this on the MMA forum, might as well post it here also.

He aspired my little cousin(14) to take up boxing when everyone had boxing fever during the olympics. He then went to see him a times in DCU and in Dunboyne were Darren repeated the leaving cert (my cousin goes to that school) and got his autograph and photo with him, it's now framed in his bedroom.

Since then boxing has made him more confident, lose a lot of weight and more focused becoming a better boxer. I have never seen someone training 7 days a week in any sport at that age.

Rest in Peace Darren, you will be remembered.

How has he reacted to this? I hope it doesn't derail his aspirations because he sounds like he has done really well. Fair play to him.

ironictoaster

LZ5by5 wrote: »

How has he reacted to this? I hope it doesn't derail his aspirations because he sounds like he has done really well. Fair play to him.

For the first few days he was very upset, he tried to hide by it from the family, but we all could see it. He really wants to go to the funeral to pay his respects now. I was just in his room trying to fix his computer yesterday when I saw the autograph.

To Keith,
Keep working hard
best wishes
Darren Sutherland

Very sad to read.

walshb

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Frank Moloney, his manager - this video appeared on youtube last night from him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynTrSIAI9ag

Lads, I agree with the above posters, this is a thread to appreciate what Sutherland did in his short life, not to psychoanalyse his death. Many people have been touched by suicide and Darren's death shows that it can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. The worst thing is that he was getting help, the psychologists appointments.

He was such a talent that had so much potential. A guy who had his head on his shoulders, got to admire him for what he did in coming back from England to do his Leaving at 20, in a school with students 18/19 and having to wear a school uniform. Being smart enough to know that he needed something to fall back on, going to college but training extremely hard at that time. What he did for creggys cousin and many other kids - his infectious enthuaism for everything he did. I'll never forget when he won that medal in the Olympics, or the picture of him coming off the plane with that broad smile across his face. I hope he is in peace now - and that his family and friends come to some sort of terms with his death, because no matter what happens after that, they will never fully come to terms with it.

Maloney is one strange fish. I mean, he has just suffered a heart attack and is told to rest and take weeks off and he doesn't seem to give a toss. Listen to the bloody doctors mate and take the rest they ask of you. Is this game really more important than ones health? What's the craic with no shirt on?

keith1976

How to fight a slicker, faster opponent and break his heart at the same time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqM9eEh7_hQ

I love watching the different reactions in the respective corners: Blanco looks distracted, just nodding and looking away while his coach is banging on. Darren absorbing everything Billy Walsh say..... while standing.

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

Maloney is one strange fish. I mean, he has just suffered a heart attack and is told to rest and take weeks off and he doesn't seem to give a toss. Listen to the bloody doctors mate and take the rest they ask of you. Is this game really more important than ones health? What's the craic with no shirt on?

what does it matter if he hasn't a shirt on? As for him ignoring the doctors advice maybe it's just his way of coping with what has happened by using work as a distraction. He could also be one of these restless people who constantly needs to be doing something.

nacho libre

keith1976 wrote: »

How to fight a slicker, faster opponent and break his heart at the same time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqM9eEh7_hQ

I love watching the different reactions in the respective corners: Blanco looks distracted, just nodding and looking away while his coach is banging on. Darren absorbing everything Billy Walsh say..... while standing.

it really was a remarkable performance considering Blanco had his number in previous fights. As was said earlier that bout was his final.

walshb

nacho libre wrote: »

what does it matter if he hasn't a shirt on? As for him ignoring the doctors advice maybe it's just his way of coping with what has happened by using work as a distraction. He could also be one of these restless people who constantly needs to be doing something.

I don't know, I just thought for an official interview he might have looked a little decent, that's all. After all, he's not a football hooligan is he? At first, I thought he was in his hospital bed.

Anyway, lets hope his eagerness to get 'busy' doesn't set him back further, health wise

alanceltic

I have to agree, its one of the strangest interviews!!!!!! I mean its titled as a "thanks" for the messages for darrn and he spends most of the interview blowing his own trumpet and barking on about the furey fight. I simply cant stand the man, like most people in the boxing mgt game there is just something about him that i dont like, and yeah it would have taken 2 seconds to put a tee shirt on, its like he is trying to make some sort of statement like poor old frank isnt well and he just comes across all wrong IMO

nacho libre

walshb wrote: »

I don't know, I just thought for an official interview he might have looked a little decent, that's all. After all, he's not a football hooligan is he? At first, I thought he was in his hospital bed.

Anyway, lets hope his eagerness to get 'busy' doesn't set him back further, health wise

well, it maybe that he was just out of his bed for a bit to do the you tube video. Whatever the reason i don't think it reflects badly on him. If he turned up to a press conference like that i might think differently.

as for his recovery,
A positive disposition certainly seems to help some people to recover quickly. It maybe that having too much time to think may actually hold him back. We all have different mechanisms for coping. As you say let's hope his doesn't set him back.

walshb

alanceltic wrote: »

I have to agree, its one of the strangest interviews!!!!!! I mean its titled as a "thanks" for the messages for darrn and he spends most of the interview blowing his own trumpet and barking on about the furey fight. I simply cant stand the man, like most people in the boxing mgt game there is just something about him that i dont like, and yeah it would have taken 2 seconds to put a tee shirt on, its like he is trying to make some sort of statement like poor old frank isnt well and he just comes across all wrong IMO

Exactly the feeling I got, but thought I wouldn't post it as some here can be a little touchy on issues like this. There was something odd about it. I don't doubt that Frank is upset about Darren and he feels like others that he could have possibly done more for him.
Well, it's over now and he must look forward. I heard that Maloney and camp knew nothing of Darren's past battles with depression. I don't think they are happy about not being told

walshb

OB sport doing a wee tribute to Darren today.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/2009/0918/obsport.html


OB Sport tribute to 'Dazzler'
Friday, 18 September 2009 18:40

In memory of Darren Sutherland, RTÉ's OB Sport programme on the recent AIBA World Championships has been re-edited to include a short commemoration of the Olympic bronze medallist.

The programme has also been dedicated to the two-time European Union and three-times Irish senior champion, who boxed out of the St Saviours OBA club in Dublin before turning professional with Frank Maloney in London.

Darren tragically died at his apartment in Bromley, south London on Monday last.

Boxing fans can see the OB Sport Special on RTÉ Two and RTÉ.ie (Worldwide) at 1.20pm on Saturday.

walshb

If anyone wants to pay their respects to Darren, his remains will be reposing
in FitzSimon's Funeral Home in Navan on Sunday from 12 noon until 6 pm.

Funeral mass is Monday at 11am at St Mary's Church on the Fair Green.

nacho libre

alanceltic wrote: »

I have to agree, its one of the strangest interviews!!!!!! I mean its titled as a "thanks" for the messages for darrn and he spends most of the interview blowing his own trumpet and barking on about the furey fight. I simply cant stand the man, like most people in the boxing mgt game there is just something about him that i dont like, and yeah it would have taken 2 seconds to put a tee shirt on, its like he is trying to make some sort of statement like poor old frank isnt well and he just comes across all wrong IMO

i can't agree with this at all. for all we know focusing on the future could well be his way of maintaining control. he could be cut up inside but be one of these people who doesn't show like to show emotion. some people given the week he has would be in bits, while other would come across as unfeeling/detached because it's just their way of dealing with trauma. At funerals you often see some people close to the deceased very emotional while others appear stoic it doesn't mean they care any less. there are no rules in coping trauma. i think it's unfair to judge him based on a three minute video. if you know him personally then that's a different story

anyway, i just hope recriminations between the two sides don't start over what happened. it won't help anyone.

walshb

All we have is first impressions in life with many people, and usually they are right.
The guy came across bad IMO. Now, I am not saying he wasn't upset and to have to go thru what he did was terrible. I cannot think of much worse and I would dread
that happening to me. He seemed more concerned with HIM and his commitments and boxing and shows, an YES, all money really isn't it?

BDF

walshb wrote: »

All we have is first impressions in life with many people, and usually they are right.
The guy came across bad IMO. Now, I am not saying he wasn't upset and to have to go thru what he did was terrible. I cannot think of much worse and I would dread
that happening to me. He seemed more concerned with HIM and his commitments and boxing and shows, an YES, all money really isn't it?

I have to agree with you here, I have very strong opinions on Maloney and recent events have only reinforced them. He does seem to be too concerned with work (ok this might be his way of dealing with things but his demeanor when he is at ringside would suggest that he is not one to hold back his emotions). The whole video and his reaction just seems odd.

glenjohnsonlfc

R.I.P

HashSlinging

R.I.P

T-K-O

I glad someone else brought this up first. But I thought that "interview" was a disgrace. Who cares about the McDermot fight or a meeting the boxing association.

But lets keep this about Darren.

I was listening to some radio show on Saturday, they replayed an old interview with Darren - it was just after he arrived home with the bronze. As always with Sutherland it was very interesting he always came across well on the air and must have been a dream to work with compare to other fighters.

Lord Trollington

Anyone recieve a private mail requesting information about Darren???

potsy11

Cant believe your gone Darren.

You were a breath of fresh air. I enjoyed watching and listening to you.

RIP

spongeman

walshb wrote: »

All we have is first impressions in life with many people, and usually they are right.
The guy came across bad IMO. Now, I am not saying he wasn't upset and to have to go thru what he did was terrible. I cannot think of much worse and I would dread
that happening to me. He seemed more concerned with HIM and his commitments and boxing and shows, an YES, all money really isn't it?

Maybe however that is his way of dealing with something like this, I doubt he came accross a dead body before.

We d'ont know whats really going on inside Maloney's head, just like we did'nt know with Darren.

RIP.

lukesmom

Was such a sad funeral. And quite surreal at the same time. I had psychic sarah delamere hurding on my left and Jimmy Magee on my right. Everybody was so moved by the eulogy by the priest. Nikki Kavenagh sang with the voice of an angel and everybody there grieved at the loss of Darren who was a beautiful man both inside and out:(

gilly0512

Folks just wondering what your take is on this whole tragic afffair surround the awful death of the boxer Darren Sutherland. Bad and all as his death was, its been made even worse now with Darren's family insisting that his manager Frank Moloney or his trainer Brian Lawrence were not welcome at Darren's funeral. While I have no idea what is going on here, by these very actions, it's like Darren's family are in some way stating that Frank Moloney or Brian Lawrence were in some way responsible for Darren's death. This in itself is a very serious accusation to throw at anybody, so I was just wondering what other people think, or do you know anything which might explain this very sad rift?

Handsome Bob

Darren's father really seems to want the publicity right now, he and the whole family are going to be on the Late Late this Friday. I hope this guy just says what needs to be said and then leave it instead of turning his son's death into a media circus.

efb

I don't think they should go on the Late Late, if RTE had a ounce of sense they wouldn't allow it. It's too soon, they are still in the grieving process.

If after time they wanted to talk about it sure. One of the most moving interviews I saw was Barry McGuigan talking about his brother's suicide.

alanceltic

efb wrote: »

It's too soon, they are still in the grieving process.

Mabey they see this as part of their grieving process, letting the nation know how special their son was, mabey they also feel that if they can raise awareness of this disease that it might in some way help others who are borderline. Yes the whole subject is still very raw but personally I dont see anything a miss with a family looking to grieve their son in public, he was a public figure after all and judgeing by the sentiments on here there is/was a lot of goodwill towards the lad even from people outside of the small boxing community.

As for Maloney, I never liked him, always taught he was a scum_bag, ok that doesnt justify anyone pointing the finger at him BUT lets just say I would not be surprised by any sort of a story that comes from the family. After seeing his interview on youtube, straight away I got an underlying bad feeling about, the body language, the failure to engage PROPERLY about darren and the self importance of himself in what was supposed to be a tribute to darren. In saying that I do hope the late late interview takes the form of a tribute rather than a witch hunt but we all want to know what the background to his death really was so dont anyone pretend any different

spongeman

I d'ont think that they should do the Late Late Show.

Is this what it has all come to, get the ratings in ? For people to be in the spotlight ?

His child has taken his own life.

gilly0512

spongeman wrote: »

I d'ont think that they should do the Late Late Show.

Is this what it has all come to, get the ratings in ? For people to be in the spotlight ?

His child has taken his own life.

I agree that they should not go on the Late Late Show, as their emotions are obviously very raw at the moment, and they could end up saying something they will later regret. As I see it they are threading on very thin ice as things stand by publicly stating that Maloney or Lawrence had anything to do with their son's death, and the last thing they need now is to be dragged through the courts on a slander charge.

spongeman

Hopefully it will not happen.

That poor chap, let him rest in peace.

T-K-O

gilly2308 wrote: »

Folks just wondering what your take is on this whole tragic afffair surround the awful death of the boxer Darren Sutherland. Bad and all as his death was, its been made even worse now with Darren's family insisting that his manager Frank Moloney or his trainer Brian Lawrence were not welcome at Darren's funeral. While I have no idea what is going on here, by these very actions, it's like Darren's family are in some way stating that Frank Moloney or Brian Lawrence were in some way responsible for Darren's death. This in itself is a very serious accusation to throw at anybody, so I was just wondering what other people think, or do you know anything which might explain this very sad rift?

I could be wrong but I didnt see any accusations from the family. They simply did not want them at the funeral. Maybe they are unhappy with the treatment of their son and maybe it has been that way for some time.

The Sutherland family are entitled to that.

suspectpackage

At the end of the day, Sutherland took his own life. Who could have seen THAT coming? The only thing I've heard from the family concerning Maloney is that they weren't told about Darrens death until 4 hours after it happened.

I think Maloney hasn't covered himself in glory here. Posting that youtube video and rambling on about himself too much left a bad taste in the mouth. I read a piece in the paper where he said he sent his wife and mother as "personal representatives" at the funeral and he wrote, "I could have sent someone from my office, but I sent personal representatives". That was a pathetic thing to write imo.

walshb

I will watch the show tonight, but I don't see any real point to it. The chap is dead now and this will possibly be just about responsibility and anger etc. Nobody is to blame for Darren's death, and no matter what one thinks of Maloney or Lawrence, it wasn't their fault.

I think the "anger and fury pointed towards Maloney's wife" for paying her respects was out
of order. She was entitled to pay her respects I feel and that was a little too much.

I'm sure the woman wanted to pay her respects and wasn't forced to do it
for Frank. She obviously knew Darren and had to like him I would imagine, hence
her wanting to pay her respects.

Kiwi_knock

Really hope that the Sutherland family are not on the Late Late tonight, they need longer to cope and understand their grief. His father Tony should wait another few weeks before making any public comments, he needs to put his grief into perspective. Any appearence tonight i feel will not do any good for their situation. Think about a young man's tragic loss, not any pointless feud that has developed from it