Now you have a resposobility to vote no!

Dublin_Gunner · 15-09-2009 12:35pm

Now you have a resposobility to vote no!

You have a responsibility to not post BS in an attempt to further your own political goals.

If Sweden wants to be further exiled form the EU, go for it. I really don't care.

Please outline your reasons for thinking the EU works like the old Soviet Union.

prinz · 15-09-2009 12:36pm

turgon wrote: »

This is great. I remember an "Italian" here, and a "Polish" person too I think, all demanding the same thing. However at least the "Italian" and the "Pole" made an attempt to write poor English so as to give credence to their supposed identity.

+1, strikes me as very similar to the comments section of http://www.bringganleyback.com, they seem to enjoy peddling this myth that people across Europe are behind the anti-Lisbon agenda, including bizarrely, Oleksiy from the Ukraine.

turgon · 15-09-2009 12:36pm

Jocke wrote: »

It's because foreigners want you to vote no. I hope that you will vote for the people!

What about Spain, who voted Yes to the constitution? Should I listen to them instead of you?

prinz · 15-09-2009 12:38pm

Jocke wrote: »

I hope that you will vote for the people!

I will vote for myself Olaf. Seems to me to be a tad 'soviet' to vote against my own wishes "for the good of the people"...

Mario007 · 15-09-2009 12:38pm

turgon wrote: »

Funny as well how weve never had any foreigners come on here and tell us we have a responsibility to Vote Yes.

well i am advocating a yes vote and i'm slovakian, but i live here for 5 years...so i'm looking out for irish and european interests:D

Jocke · 15-09-2009 12:40pm

Dublin_Gunner wrote: »

You have a responsibility to not post BS in an attempt to further your own political goals.

If Sweden wants to be further exiled form the EU, go for it. I really don't care.

Please outline your reasons for thinking the EU works like the old Soviet Union.

I think that the main reason is that a few people are deciding very much.
To sum up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU

marco_polo · 15-09-2009 12:42pm

The weakest of all forms of the 'argument from authority' is the Youtube version.

Jocke · 15-09-2009 12:42pm

turgon wrote: »

What about Spain, who voted Yes to the constitution? Should I listen to them instead of you?

You should listen to the whole of Europe and therefore, you should wait until all countries have had referendums until you vote yes.

prinz · 15-09-2009 12:43pm

Mario007 wrote: »

well i am advocating a yes vote and i'm slovakian, but i live here for 5 years...so i'm looking out for irish and european interests:D

All the more apt coming from a nation which suffered under the shadow of the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact Bloc.

turgon · 15-09-2009 12:44pm

Maybe we should get Boards to design a plugin that automatically adds a poster to your ignore list if they claim the EU is the new Soviet Union.

Jocke · 15-09-2009 12:44pm

One of my main points is that even if you LIKE the Lisbon Treaty, you should vote NO for the sake of DEMOCRACY.

Mario007 · 15-09-2009 12:45pm

Jocke wrote: »

I know what it means but the commission may consist of evil liars and stalin lovers also.

haha so all 27 states will nominate stalin lovers and evil people. and the EP will approve of all of them...i'd like to assure you libertas were defeated so no, this scenario wont happen:D

prinz · 15-09-2009 12:45pm

Jocke wrote: »

One of my main points is that even if you LIKE the Lisbon Treaty, you should vote NO for the sake of DEMOCRACY.

Say what now? How is voting against something I am personally in favour of... promoting democracy.

Galwaybuzz · 15-09-2009 12:47pm

Hi Guys.

Here are my top 3 reasons as to why I'm voting YES to the Lisbon Treaty!

I want an Irish Commissioner. With the Lisbon Treaty in force, this is guaranteed. With the Nice Treaty in force, it is not.

I value my rights. Dignity, liberty, equ...ality, solidarity and justice are the cornerstones of European civilisation and are enshrined in the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. The Lisbon Treaty makes the Charter binding and part of EU law

I want ordinary people to have a greater say in the running of the EU. For the first time ever, through the new Citizens' initiative, the Lisbon Treaty makes it possible for a million European citizens to demand that the EU institutions consider a new piece of legislation. (TEU, Art. 11.4)

My name is URL · 15-09-2009 12:47pm

Bullshit like this will only drive people to vote Yes, along with the UKIP getting involved and the entire Coir campaign. Leave us to it

Can a mod confirm that this guy is in fact posting from Sweden?

Permabear · 15-09-2009 12:49pm

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Jocke · 15-09-2009 12:49pm

prinz wrote: »

Say what now? How is voting against something I am personally in favour of... promoting democracy.

Because everybody aren't allowed to vote. That is unfair and undemocratic. That's why you shouldn't approve the treaty, I think.

Dinner · 15-09-2009 12:51pm

Jocke wrote: »

Because everybody aren't allowed to vote. That is unfair and undemocratic. That's why you shouldn't approve of the treaty, I think.

That has NOTHING!! to do with the EU. That is down to each country. You don't get a vote because the Swedish Government don't have to!

And they're right too, you're advocating a no vote for the most stupid reasons.

prinz · 15-09-2009 12:51pm

Jocke wrote: »

Because everybody aren't allowed to vote. That is unfair and undemocratic. That's why you shouldn't approve of the treaty, I think.

That's not my problem, or Ireland's problem. That's Sweden's problem. Whether I vote for or against the Lisbon Treaty, what effect will that have on national/constitutional law in Sweden - none.

Jocke · 15-09-2009 12:54pm

Dinner wrote: »

That has NOTHING!! to do with the EU. That is down to each country. You don't get a vote because the Swedish Government don't have to!

And they're right too, you're advocating a no vote for the most stupid reasons.

Of course it is up to every country but I think that the EU should demand all countries to hold referendums.

mickoneill30 · 15-09-2009 12:54pm

Jocke wrote: »

Because everybody aren't allowed to vote. That is unfair and undemocratic. That's why you shouldn't approve the treaty, I think.

Voting Yes or No won't change that at all for you.

mickoneill30 · 15-09-2009 12:55pm

Jocke wrote: »

Of course it is up to every country but I think that the EU should demand all countries to hold referendums.

The EU can't do that. Do you want to give the EU more power over your country now?

Jocke · 15-09-2009 12:55pm

prinz wrote: »

That's not my problem, or Ireland's problem. That's Sweden's problem. Whether I vote for or against the Lisbon Treaty, what effect will that have on national/constitutional law in Sweden - none.

And the genocide in Darfur is not our problem so we shouldn't care anything about that either?

Dinner · 15-09-2009 12:56pm

Jocke wrote: »

Of course it is up to every country but I think that the EU should demand all countries to hold referendums.

You want the EU to get involved in the ratification procedure of each country?

Sort of goes against your claims that you want each country to be independent and not part of a soviet EU.

Also, it's worth noting that the EU isn't some third party entity. The EU is the countries and the countries are the EU. What you want is that the member countries demand that themselves must have a referendum...

ei.sdraob · 15-09-2009 12:57pm

Jocke wrote: »

And the genocide in Darfur is not our problem so we shouldn't care anything about that either?

EU cant do anything much about that (no matter how much we care) they just don't have the mandate

since there is no common Foreign Policy

something that will be introduced by Lisbon

so as per your own example yet another reason to vote YES

if you want issues like Darfur to be addressed by the EU

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:00pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

EU cant do anything much about that (no matter how much we care) they just don't have the mandate

since there is no common Foreign Policy

something that will be introduced by Lisbon

so as per your own example yet another reason to vote YES

if you want issues like Darfur to be addressed by the EU

I didn't mean the EU when I said "we".

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:01pm

Dinner wrote: »

You want the EU to get involved in the ratification procedure of each country?

I want the EU to demand referendums in all countries.

ei.sdraob · 15-09-2009 1:02pm

Galwaybuzz wrote: »

Hi Guys.

Here are my top 3 reasons as to why I'm voting YES to the Lisbon Treaty!

I want an Irish Commissioner. With the Lisbon Treaty in force, this is guaranteed. With the Nice Treaty in force, it is not.

im voting YES too (and im from Galway too

) but i have to break it to you

the commissioner is not Irish, they represent all of EU

but yes the commission would be reduced with a NO vote as per Nice

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:02pm

mickoneill30 wrote: »

The EU can't do that. Do you want to give the EU more power over your country now?

I mean that the EU shouldn't impose a new constitution on people in countries that didn't have referendums.

If a country says no to a referendum, then the EU should NOT impose a constitution on that country.

mickoneill30 · 15-09-2009 1:04pm

Jocke wrote: »

I mean that the EU shouldn't impose a new constitution on people in countries that didn't have referendums.

If a country says no to a referendum, then the EU should NOT impose a constitution on that country.

It's not imposing. It asked your government. They said yes. You elected them to represent you. This is how democracy works. If a referendum was needed for everything Europe does we'd be all day in the polling booths every day.

If you don't want your government to have that power you have to change how your government works, not the EU.

Now you have a resposobility to vote no!

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