Now you have a resposobility to vote no!

Euro_Kraut · 15-09-2009 1:05pm

Jocke wrote: »

You should listen to the whole of Europe and therefore, you should wait until all countries have had referendums until you vote yes.

Why do we have to go last? Doen't sound fair that we have to wait for everyother country to have a referendum before we are allowed to vote yes.

Dinner · 15-09-2009 1:05pm

Jocke wrote: »

I want the EU to demand referendums in all countries.

You want the leaders of each country to demand that themselves and each other have a referendum?

In most cases if they wanted a referendum they could have one. But I think most countries aren't having a referendum because of people like you who will vote no for stupid reasons and throw words like soviet and nazi around without being able to make a coherent argument for it. And rightfully so, you would make a mockery of democracy by ignoring facts and voting on your own paranoia instead.

prinz · 15-09-2009 1:05pm

I think Ireland should vote on abolishing the Swedish monarchy. Given our new role as decision makers for the legal and politcal systems of other countries.

ei.sdraob · 15-09-2009 1:06pm

Jocke wrote: »

I want the EU to demand referendums in all countries.

I want EU to demand everyone to readup on things they vote on (if they vote on them) and to stop interfering in others peoples business

and sure while we at it why dont you demand that they EU ensures

* all bananas are straight
* and everyone gets microchiped

you sir have a complete lack of understanding of how the EU works, maybe its a good thing you dont get to vote so!

people like you would vote likes of Hitler in (and have done so in past) based on ignorance and selfishness

shame on you

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:07pm

Dinner wrote: »

In most cases if they wanted a referendum they could have one. But I think most countries aren't having a referendum because of people like you who will vote no for stupid reasons and throw words like soviet and nazi around without being able to make a coherent argument for it. And rightfully so, you would make a mockery of democracy by ignoring facts and voting on your own paranoia instead.

In short: "We shouldn't have a referendum because then the people may vote no instead of yes which is the right thing to do".

I don't fall for this Hitler/Stalin/Polpot crap. It's undemocratic EU nationalism!

My name is URL · 15-09-2009 1:08pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

[...] maybe its a good thing you dont get to vote so!

people like you would vote likes of Hitler in (and have done so in past) based on ignorance and selfishness

shame on you

Wow that's rich.. you're calling him ignorant and selfish and at the same time you say it's good that he doesn't get to vote.. just because his reasons are different to yours

Cop on to yourself

mickoneill30 · 15-09-2009 1:09pm

Jocke wrote: »

In short: "We shouldn't have a referendum because then the people may vote no instead of yes which is the right thing to do".

I don't fall for this Hitler/Stalin/Polpot crap. It's undemocratic EU nationalism!

In short you won't have a referendum because your government is not required to. Ours is. It's in our constitution. If you don't like your constitution then change it (you'll need a referendum for that).

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:09pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

people like you would vote likes of Hitler in (and have done so in past) based on ignorance and selfishness

I can't understand this sentence.

Rb · 15-09-2009 1:10pm

Ok OP, you've got my vote.

ei.sdraob · 15-09-2009 1:10pm

prinz wrote: »

I think Ireland should vote on abolishing the Swedish monarchy. Given our new role as decision makers for the legal and politcal systems of other countries.

I demand the EU makes Sweden send all their blondes over

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:10pm

mickoneill30 wrote: »

In short you won't have a referendum because your government is not required to. Ours is. It's in our constitution. If you don't like your constitution then change it (you'll need a referendum for that).

The Lisbon Treaty is illegal under our constitution! It should probably more clear and changed though and yes, I will try to change it. You don't have to tell me that!!

mickoneill30 · 15-09-2009 1:11pm

Jocke wrote: »

The Lisbon Treaty is illegal under our constitution!

How and why? Honest question. I know nothing about your constitution. You obviously do though so can you clarify.
Note: Because you don't like it is not an answer.

Edit: If it's illegal under your constitution and your government have approved it how are they still in power. The government can't just do what they want. Or is it different in Sweden?

ei.sdraob · 15-09-2009 1:12pm

Jocke wrote: »

I can't understand this sentence.

a little bit of a history lesson for you so

Nazis used referendums to gain power

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_referendum,_1933

Held on the same day as the November 1933 Elections, the referendum was designed to gauge public approval and support for Hitler's decision to withdraw Germany from the League of Nations and the Disarmament Conference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_referendum,_1934

Held on August 19, after the death of President von Hindenburg on August 2, the 1934 German referendum sought to gain approval for Adolf Hitler's assumption of supreme leadership. The overwhelmingly positive result of this referendum allowed Hitler to claim public support for his activities as the Fuhrer. In fact, he had assumed these offices and powers immediately upon von Hindenburg's death and used the referendum to legitimate this move.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stimmzettel-Anschluss.jpg

ei.sdraob · 15-09-2009 1:13pm

My name is URL wrote: »

Wow that's rich.. you're calling him ignorant and selfish and at the same time you say it's good that he doesn't get to vote.. just because his reasons are different to yours

Cop on to yourself

you obviously missed the joke :rolleyes:

with this guy "demanding" things from EU

but not knowing what the EU is about and how it works

do i really have to explain jokes now?

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:14pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

a little bit of a history lesson for you so

Nazis used referendums to gain power

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_referendum,_1933

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_referendum,_1934

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stimmzettel-Anschluss.jpg

Yeah, I know all that. I just didn't understand what "vote likes" meant.

prinz · 15-09-2009 1:14pm

Jocke wrote: »

I know what it means but the commission may consist of evil liars and stalin lovers also.

Jocke wrote: »

I don't fall for this Hitler/Stalin/Polpot crap. It's undemocratic EU nationalism!

I didn't realise the Stalinist Soviet Union was founded on nationalism.

marco_polo · 15-09-2009 1:15pm

Jocke wrote: »

The Lisbon Treaty is illegal under our constitution! It should probably more clear and changed though and yes, I will try to change it. You don't have to tell me that!!

So if we vote no does that mean that Sweeden will establish a system of courts where stuff like this can be challenged by its people? :rolleyes:

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:16pm

prinz wrote: »

I didn't realise the Stalinist Soviet Union was founded on nationalism.

and I didn't say so

prinz · 15-09-2009 1:17pm

Jocke wrote: »

and I didn't say so

well which is it then? Is it big bad EU based on stalin lovers who wants the Soviet Union of Europe, or is it big bad EU based on nationalism?

Jocke · 15-09-2009 1:18pm

Now I've got to go.

Bless the Irish people! Bless all people in the European Union! Say no to Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. Say no to the Lisbon Treaty and say yes to democracy!

Cya!

mickoneill30 · 15-09-2009 1:21pm

Well he was a polite enough fella anyway.

koHd · 15-09-2009 1:23pm

Jocke wrote: »

Now I've got to go.

Bless the Irish people! Bless all people in the European Union! Say no to Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. Say no to the Lisbon Treaty and say yes to democracy!

Cya!

Thats embarrassing no propaganda right there.

A lot of the No sides arguments are so bad I'm starting to think it might be the Yes side making them up to turn people against the No side heh.

It's working.

ei.sdraob · 15-09-2009 1:23pm

mickoneill30 wrote: »

Well he was a polite enough fella anyway.

yeh god bless him

i think he just highlighted a fundamental problem in EU, people dont know much about how it works and that breeds paranoia and conspiracies

now we just sit back and wait for another one of them threads in a day or so

cant wait till someone from UK comes along and tells us how to vote (oh wait)

PopeBuckfastXVI · 15-09-2009 1:27pm

Jocke wrote: »

Say no to Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini.

They're all dead.

I didn't know them, but I would be hard pressed to imagine any of them agreeing with the charter of fundamental rights...

OK-Cancel-Apply · 15-09-2009 1:31pm

Jocke, är du verkligen från Sverige eller har du bara använder Google språkverktyg?

Rb · 15-09-2009 1:33pm

Say Nein to Hitler.

Otherwise he won't understand.

ei.sdraob · 15-09-2009 1:35pm

Rb wrote: »

Say Nein to Hitler.

Otherwise he won't understand.

he sure made it hard to vote NO

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stimmzettel-Anschluss.jpg

Kalashnikov_Kid · 15-09-2009 1:41pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

cant wait till someone from UK comes along and tells us how to vote (oh wait)

I want to book a front row seat for this with popcorn in hand if it happens here hehe

ArmaniJeanss · 15-09-2009 2:13pm

So who's up for being 'Helga the shepherd girl from Austria' who wants a No Vote?
I'll be Dario from Sicily at the weekend.

Daftendirekt · 15-09-2009 2:18pm

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

They're all dead.

I didn't know them, but I would be hard pressed to imagine any of them agreeing with the charter of fundamental rights...

Or a more powerful parliament...

Now you have a resposobility to vote no!

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