Diving in the professional game

Liam O

SlickRic wrote: »

can we have a thread on every diver in the Premiership?

he dives. we get it. we know it.

any pool fan who claims he doesn't is nutty; and i don't see anyone denying it really.

we know he's said things in the past claiming he hates divers. it's hypocrisy. again, we get it.

most professionals associated with football talk through their ar$e.

rooney dives too.

as does drogba.

as does ibrahimovic.

as does robert earnshaw.

as do most professional footballers.

and they'll all claim they don't.

no point singling out one player as a hypocrite. they're all at it.

let's get over it, and just hope UEFA can come up with the cajones to actually do something about it.

while I agree, I think there is a huge difference between going down easily and diving. Because Ronaldo would get off his feet as soon as he felt the contact from some of the malicious tackles he faced he was able to remain nearly injury free which while infuriating fans is much better for the player in the long term

Headshot

quarryman wrote: »

This thread isn't about other players.

Its about Gerrard who accuses other players of ruining the game by cheating but diving himself and getting no flack from the press.

Stop referring to other players.

its Liverpool fans deflecting accusations about their captain to other players

Bandit12

quarryman wrote: »

This thread isn't about other players.

Its about Gerrard who accuses other players of ruining the game by cheating but diving himself and getting no flack from the press.

Stop referring to other players.

It's about getting a rise out of Liverpool fan's. You actually expect them not to retort with incidents of Rooney,Drogba etc.... dives. Everyone knows Gerrard dives and the earths round, so what.

monkey9

Headshot wrote: »

its Liverpool fans deflecting accusations about their captain to other players

No it's not. Gerrard dives!! We know. Thread is pointless.

One and one is two. Discuss!

Eire-Dearg

Oh won't someone please think of the children!

mayordenis

GOD DAM GERRARD GOD DAM.

SlickRic

Headshot wrote: »

its Liverpool fans deflecting accusations about their captain to other players

stevie's a hypocrite.

why is there a thread specifically about him though?

people, i think, are getting wound up because ALL players who dive or go down easily claim they don't.

i'm not deflecting, i'm admitting he's a hypocrite. but so are many many others.

OPENROAD

People were very quick to call Eduardo all sorts of names a couple of weeks ago,and he had his own thread, no one seemed to have a problem with that thread, always different though when it is about one of your own players.

monkey9

You actually really do forget how good Cornflakes taste.

ntlbell

flahavaj wrote: »

LOL at soccer fans singling out players from their rival clubs for diving. Can you get any more boring and cliched lads, really? Someday ye'll wake up andrealise that they're all at it to some degree.:pac:

but there not all claiming how wrong it is and how it's ruining the game

do you see the difference?

JeanClaude

Liam O wrote: »

while I agree, I think there is a huge difference between going down easily and diving. Because Ronaldo would get off his feet as soon as he felt the contact from some of the malicious tackles he faced he was able to remain nearly injury free which while infuriating fans is much better for the player in the long term

Dead right.. watch the Sunderland defence hack at him before he finally "goes down easy"..lucky to come away with his life...:rolleyes:


Warning some of these challenges are x-rated, watch at your peril...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irIhuA3_TGY&feature=related

SlickRic

OPENROAD wrote: »

People were very quick to call Eduardo all sorts of names a couple of weeks ago,and he had his own thread, no one seemed to have a problem with that thread, always different though when it is about one of your own players.

i know, you're right.

you only have to look at some of the reactions to people claiming Rooney dived the other week too.

it's instinct. people, rightly or wrongly, tend to defend their own players as much as possible.

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

but there not all claiming how wrong it is and how it's ruining the game

do you see the difference?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-23740086-details/I%27m+an+honest+player+and+never+dive,+insists+Wayne+Rooney/article.do

flahavaj

ntlbell wrote: »

but there not all claiming how wrong it is and how it's ruining the game

do you see the difference?

Come off it lad, the fact he plays for Liverpool has more to do with why you posted in this thread than anything he has said. You're fooling no one.:pac:

Charlie

Charlie

Charlie wrote: »

you like Gerrard's starfish?

whatawaster

Does someone else want to start a thread for Rooney's diving or will I?

whatawaster

whatawaster wrote: »

Does someone else want to start a thread for Rooney's diving or will I?

and merge it with this one

SlickRic

whatawaster wrote: »

Does someone else want to start a thread for Rooney's diving or will I?

don't bother.

this thread is embarrassing enough.

gifs and all now.

you'd swear gerrard was the only player to ever say anything hypocritical ever.

hilarious stuff.

Quint

Gerrard has always been one of the worse divers in the premiership. It's not commented on much because he's english.
When Liverpool desperately need a goal and there's 20 minutes left, he's up there in the top 3 divers of all time (according to my stats).

ntlbell

rarnes1 wrote: »

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-23740086-details/I%27m+an+honest+player+and+never+dive,+insists+Wayne+Rooney/article.do

maybe i'm blind but i dont see how the article is relvant?

Eire-Dearg

whatawaster wrote: »

Does someone else want to start a thread for Rooney's diving or will I?

If a Man Utd fan jumped off a cliff...;)

Quint

Quint wrote: »

Gerrard has always been one of the worse divers in the premiership. It's not commented on much because he's english.
When Liverpool desperately need a goal and there's 20 minutes left, he's up there in the top 3 divers of all time (according to my stats).

you seem confused

whatawaster

ntlbell wrote: »

maybe i'm blind but i dont see how the article is relvant?

it's a technique often used in debating circles - making comparisons.
Rooney and Gerrard are comparable in many ways.

Eire-Dearg

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

If a Man Utd fan jumped off a cliff...;)

I'd try and save him

~Rebel~

I'm not sure i get the point of all this. Surely threads are for debatable points. Gerrard goes down exceptionally easy. Gerrard has made comments about disliking divers. Both of these things are facts. I don't see anyone arguing or debating against them. Possibly stick a bow on this puppy as there isn't really anywhere to go on this discussion without going off topic?

SlickRic

Quint wrote: »

Gerrard has always been one of the worse divers in the premiership. It's not commented on much because he's english.

a bit like rooney then.

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

maybe i'm blind but i dont see how the article is relvant?

maybe

OPENROAD

So did RTE mention the Gerrard incident tonight?

JeanClaude

ntlbell wrote: »

maybe i'm blind but i dont see how the article is relvant?

Not blind...... just selective sight....

JeanClaude wrote: »

Yeah Right..he doesn't critize others...nice of him to think of the fans..:rolleyes:


'It isn't fair for players to dive and try to cheat the other team. And it is not just cheating your opponents, you are cheating the fans as well.'

nice one Wayne..:p

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/111769,rooney-im-not-a-diver.aspx

dobsdave

OPENROAD wrote: »

So did RTE mention the Gerrard incident tonight?

There was an incident?

ntlbell

rarnes1 wrote: »

maybe

maybe you can show us the relevant quotes where rooney says what is claimed?

orourkeda

I'm beginning to think that if you cant beat them join them.

It's become clear that diving will never be removed from the game. Clearly if your opposition is prepared to cheat you by diving then perhaps a taste of their own medicine is in order.

Liam O

JeanClaude wrote: »

Not blind...... just selective sight....

Rooney has stopped diving though...

flahavaj

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

If a Man Utd fan jumped off a cliff...;)

A Liverpool fan would probably start a thread on boards.ie about how it was a blatant dive.:pac:

ntlbell

fire up a rooney diving thread then?

this one happens to be about gerrard

Nalz

Ah lads come on, this is beyond a joke now

~Rebel~

ntlbell wrote: »

maybe i'm blind but i dont see how the article is relvant?

you're absolutely right, because Rooney has nought to do with this thread. In fact any comment that doesn't agree with Gerrard being known to go down easy when he gets the chance (or any saying he doesn't but i doubt we'll find many of those) are off topic, meaning the thread has absolutely nowhere to go.

Theres probably scope here for an actual thread, not one i'll be taking part in, but still, might be worth a title change so that we dont end up with a thread with 6pages and 99% of it being OT. Which this post is. So i'll stop now.

(to keep it on topic, gerrard goes down easier then a nice cold Paulaner on a hot summers day)

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

maybe you can show us the relevant quotes where rooney says what is claimed?

“I think everyone who watches me play knows I am an honest player who tries to be as honest as they can,” Rooney said. “The ball got played through, I got on the end of it and got contact with the ball and then I got contact [from Almunia], which knocked me off balance. The referee saw it as a penalty.”Asked whether he had ever dived, Rooney replied: “On holiday, yeah. No, I have never intentionally tried to dive. There have been times when I've stayed on my feet and tried to shoot rather than going down. I don't think it is fair for players to dive and try and cheat the other team.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6820795.ece

Quint

SlickRic wrote: »

a bit like rooney then.

Bang on.
Gerrard does it more often imho. But of course we all know English players don't dive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPYsQXw7By0

JeanClaude

Liam O wrote: »

Rooney has stopped diving though...

Thats only cos their not playing till Sunday...

OPENROAD

The comparison between this thread and the Eduardo one, priceless imo

ntlbell

rarnes1 wrote: »

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article6820795.ece

unreal.

I cannot belive i support a cheat! :eek::eek:

whatawaster

ntlbell wrote: »

fire up a rooney diving thread then?

this one happens to be about gerrard

whatawaster wrote: »

it's a technique often used in debating circles - making comparisons.
Rooney and Gerrard are comparable in many ways.

.

ntlbell

ntlbell wrote: »

unreal.

I cannot belive i support a cheat! :eek::eek:

Let's call it a draw

SlickRic

Quint wrote: »

Bang on.
Gerrard does it more often imho. But of course we all know English players don't dive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPYsQXw7By0

forgot about little joey.

Liam O

JeanClaude wrote: »

Thats only cos their not playing till Sunday...

ha, good one :rolleyes:

Eire-Dearg

Wayne Rooney is a saint.

'Everyone who watches me play knows I am an honest player,' Rooney said.

'I have never intentionally tried to dive. In fact, there have been times when I have tried to stay on my feet and get the shot off rather than go down.

'It isn't fair for players to dive and try to cheat the other team. And it is not just cheating your opponents, you are cheating the fans as well.'

Sherifu

I love the starfish. Very creative.

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Good thread.

Would read again.