Assistant ref's behind the goal

eirebhoy

So tonight is the debut for goal line referee's with UEFA afaik. Has there been any big calls so far? A Hapoel player just got booked for diving in the box. I'm not sure if that was the call of the goal line ref but the ref took a while to blow.

It's interesting that they're allowed walk onto the pitch. Strange.

Stevecw

Didn't see them involved much in the games i watched anyway. One guy told ref to gave a goal-kick as he saw ball crossed end line when players played on in either the Celtic or Fulham game.
Apart from that they seemed to be 2 extra spectators albeit with a great view!!

Don't see any mention of them doing much on other reports too.

PCPhoto

would they not be illegal - as the rules of association football dont actually include two refs at either end of the pitch ? (or have Uefa changed the rules to facilitate this)

Crash Bang Wall

Seen on another forum that there was a goal in a game not given when it should be. Cluj were playing according to the poster. Not sure if he was making it up or if it happened.

Behind the goals is a waste of time....should be like GAA umpires and in line with the post

GavRedKing

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

Seen on another forum that there was a goal in a game not given when it should be. Cluj were playing according to the poster. Not sure if he was making it up or if it happened.

Behind the goals is a waste of time....should be like GAA umpires and in line with the post

I think if it turns out to be that the goal should have been given instead of having two extra ref's they should just bring in goal line technology that would rule out errors and get rid of these refs.

Yes its only a trial but to have an extra ref and linesman and still not to give a goal that crosses the line that begs the question what was he looking at, is his job to monitor the box when the ref is 15/20 yards away or just focus on a potential goal bound effort if a ball comes in the box.

We can only judge if it works when we see a few " right " decisions made that might have been tough to call from the Ref's view or linesman.

LuckyLloyd

Give it time. Plenty of other sports have more than one referee and it works very well.

GavRedKing

I believe that it will be good for soccer, it takes pressure off the ref knowing he has an extra assistant at each end incase he doesnt spot something.

What i was interested in was if they were gonna have there own flag or something to grab the ref's attention incase the need to highlight anything that might have happened.

I would like to see if the assistant behind the goal made a decision a quick discussion with the ref and assistant running the line to see what there take on what he seen was. Its going to be interesting to see how it goes.

elshambo

Watched the first half of the Everton game

One of the extra refs
Gave a corner that the ref would have given as a kickout
Everton scored from the corner if i remember right

+
Shirt pulling in box at set pieces was way reduced due to him being there watching

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A few times where a player would have dived but he stayed on his feet

It seemed to work well all in all

BUT
This will never happen on a Sunday morning pitch
Therefore Pro game now set up different than Amateur game
Therefore one of FIFA/UEFA's own excuse's for not using technology is now dead
&they killed it:p

So if anything, this measure to stop goal line tech has basically opened the door for it.
They are some smart lot in the football big house:rolleyes:

Banter Joe

Here's a link to the possible goal in the Cluj v Copenhagen match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHXMaJrR3Jo#t=6m45s

Definitely looks like it was over the line.

PCPhoto

Banter Joe wrote: »

Here's a link to the possible goal in the Cluj v Copenhagen match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHXMaJrR3Jo#t=6m45s

Definitely looks like it was over the line.

as the ball hits off the crossbar and travels to the ground - it looks behind the line(due to the angle) ....but as it bounces it is on the line and not behind it...also if you slow motion replay frame by frame and watch the shadow of the ball - doesnt cross the line...... very close though.

Just my opinion on the matter.

Banter Joe

elshambo wrote: »

BUT
This will never happen on a Sunday morning pitch
Therefore Pro game now set up different than Amateur game

Well, in fairness, we don't even have linesmen in half our matches. Ref just takes a good stab at whether it was offside or not :pac:

eirebhoy

elshambo wrote: »

+
Shirt pulling in box at set pieces was way reduced due to him being there watching

+
A few times where a player would have dived but he stayed on his feet

It seemed to work well all in all

Good points.

anplaya

Banter Joe wrote: »

Well, in fairness, we don't even have linesmen in half our matches. Ref just takes a good stab at whether it was offside or not :pac:

true,leads to some arguments :pac::D

elshambo

Banter Joe wrote: »

Well, in fairness, we don't even have linesmen in half our matches. Ref just takes a good stab at whether it was offside or not :pac:

I know,
most games ive played, one of the unpicked players ends up doing the line

The linesman thing already makes a nonsence of their "keeping the game the same" rubbish
although they always seemed to ignore that

They find it hard enough getting 1 ref nevermind getting 3
Ive shown up for games and have had them called off for no ref:mad:

Goal line tech on the way?

LuckyLloyd

Yeah, the 'but then the higher level would be fundamentally different to the lower level' rationale against progressing the standard of officiating is weak as water.

Stevecw

Banter Joe wrote: »

Well, in fairness, we don't even have linesmen in half our matches. Ref just takes a good stab at whether it was offside or not :pac:

Refs always give offsides at that level just to be safe, as they really haven't a clue or are too fat to be anywhere near the play!!! But in saying that, it's almost impossible to call an offside from middle of pitch.

Once a defender shouts "offside", or "how is he ref" you can be 99% sure that striker will be called offside. Thats what keeps 40 yo guys playing at Centre half going, while the 3 times as fast 19 yo striker goes mad, after starting the run about 5 yards onside!!

Gotta love local football!!

Guy:Incognito

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Give it time. Plenty of other sports have more than one referee and it works very well.

Plenty of other sports use video evidence and its virtually flawless. A camera view cannot be disputed. Where humans are involved there will always be human error. All this is doing is increasing the number of opinions to differ on.

Beasty

Stekelly wrote: »

Plenty of other sports use video evidence and its virtually flawless. A camera view cannot be disputed. Where humans are involved there will always be human error. All this is doing is increasing the number of opinions to differ on.

The sports that use video evidence have natural breaks, allowing for the video to be reviewed (can't think of any off the top of my head where this is not the case - cricket and tennis being the obvious examples, but even the 2 rugby codes only use it when the ref believes a try may have been scored, with a set restart procedure if not). In the Cluj example, when would you suggest play should be stopped. If the ball is then shown not to be over the line, how dow you restart the match - with a drop ball on the goal-line?