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Judge shot in court accidently

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    johngalway
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    Bond-007 wrote: »
    http://www.longfordleader.ie/news/Judge-shot-by-air-pistol.5656261.jp

    The mind boggles as to why a loaded gun was an exhibit in a case.

    "Family law"

    'splains it all for me.


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    rowa
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    it reminds me of the time the gardai put a webley revolver that had been taken up in mcdowells amnesty out in the bins ! , it was subsequently found by someone and used in an armed robbery .


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    Cass
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    Ha, ha, ha, ha ,ha , ha, ha................wipe away tear.............ha, ha ,ha ,ha ,ha ..................keep them coming lads, this is brilliant.
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    ronboy
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    when does the season open for judge's :D:D


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    Cass
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    rowa wrote: »
    it reminds me of the time the gardai put a webley revolver that had been taken up in mcdowells amnesty out in the bins ! , it was subsequently found by someone and used in an armed robbery .

    I can just see a long queue of lads hanging around the skips at the phoenix park. Do they take requests?:D:D:D
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    jwshooter
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    was it not a air soft ?


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    Sparks
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    Front page of the Irish Times too...
    Pellets from toy gun strike judge at family law hearing
    CAROL COULTER Legal Affairs Editor

    A JUDGE was struck by pellets from a toy pellet gun in Longford District Court last Tuesday.

    The incident occurred during a family law hearing before Judge John Neilan, which was held in camera, so no reporter was present and details of the case cannot be revealed.

    It is understood that one of the issues in dispute between the parties, who are the parents of a child, was the purchase of a toy pellet gun for the child by the father, to which the mother objected.

    The solicitor for one of the parties had the gun in court and it went off accidentally, striking the judge with pellets. He was not injured, and continued hearing the case. Judge Neilan himself bore no responsibility whatsoever for the incident.

    The judge has been at the centre of controversy in the past, particularly for statements from the bench.

    Last year the Courts Service took the unusual step of issuing a statement to contradict a member of the judiciary, when it said Judge Neilan had consistently refused to meet those involved in reorganising District Court districts and sittings.

    It did so in response to remarks he had made about the Courts Service management and staff in which he described the service as “totally, absolutely, utterly incompetent from the CEO down”, and staffed by officials who were “far removed from operating” the system and were merely “moving figures around on a screen”. He was speaking about the issue of adjournments in courts in the midlands area.

    In 2003, he issued an apology after widespread criticism of comments he made when two non-Irish national women appeared before him on shoplifting charges. He said: “The majority of shopping centres in this District Court area will be putting a ban on access to coloured people if this type of behaviour does not stop.”

    In 2004, he announced he would immediately jail for a week all those guilty of drink-driving while he considered what sentence to impose.

    At Mullingar District Court yesterday, when asked to comment on the shooting incident, Judge Neilan smiled and declined to comment.

    Ah, silly season...


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    jwshooter
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    and this guy is still pulling half a mill a year


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    Grizzly 45
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    Thanks...A good laugh is always welcome..:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
    Least it was less serious that it was obviously an airsoft and the Rt Hon Judge isnt injured or otherwise out of sorts..Good job it wasnt a real air pistol,it might have been a different story...:eek:
    BUT it does show I must say, the pretty cavilier attitude to firearms saftey displayed by those who should know better.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    cushtac
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    BUT it does show I must say, the pretty cavilier attitude to firearms saftey displayed by those who should know better.

    In fairness, what makes you think a solicitor should know about firearms safety?


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    johngalway
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    Common sense would dictate you ask someone who knows what they're doing when handling something potentially dangerous, anything - machinery, animals, guns, that you're not familiar with.


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    cushtac
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    johngalway wrote: »
    Common sense would dictate you ask someone who knows what they're doing when handling something potentially dangerous, anything - machinery, animals, guns, that you're not familiar with.

    True, but my point it why should a solicitor know better than anyone else?


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    Rew
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    What firearm? he shot him with a toy gun


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    ElectroJazz
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    Ah it was only a pellet gun


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    pedroeibar
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    cushtac wrote: »
    True, but my point it why should a solicitor know better than anyone else?

    Nobody mentioned solicitor. "Those who should know better" was the expression. Courts are under Garda protection. Bringing a gun into court should have been subject to an inspection by a garda officer. As for solicitors, most of the ones I know shoot. Don't know "who shot de judge" but he will get some slagging henceforth, particulary given his honour's occasional outbursts!
    P.


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    cushtac
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    pedroeibar wrote: »
    Nobody mentioned solicitor. "Those who should know better" was the expression. Courts are under Garda protection. Bringing a gun into court should have been subject to an inspection by a garda officer. As for solicitors, most of the ones I know shoot. Don't know "who shot de judge" but he will get some slagging henceforth, particulary given his honour's occasional outbursts!
    P.

    Since it was the solicitor who was handling the gun, who else could it be? Family Law cases are held in camera, Gardaí are not present in the room. Since the solicitor brought the toy with him, there's no way any Garda working in the courthouse would have known about it unless the solicitor presented it to him or her.


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    Grizzly 45
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    Which in itself is an offence...Bringing a weapon or an item that looks like a weapon into a court, or public building..Irrespective of wether it was an airsoft or a 50cal Barrett rifle.The solr should have followed procedure on this with the Gardai.ESPECIALLY if he knew nothing about firearms...

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    Rew
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Which in itself is an offence...Bringing a weapon or an item that looks like a weapon into a court, or public building..Irrespective of wether it was an airsoft or a 50cal Barrett rifle.The solr should have followed procedure on this with the Gardai.ESPECIALLY if he knew nothing about firearms...

    It was evidence in the court case and its a toy gun not a firearm, the Judge was happy to have it there so its no one else's business what it was doing there.


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    BornToKill
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    Rew wrote: »
    its a toy gun not a firearm

    Probably appropriate to discuss it in the airsoft forum then, given that it was an airsoft imitation and not a real firearm.


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    Rovi
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    Agreed it's most likely an airsoft device, but nowhere in the reporting of this incident has 'airsoft' been mentioned (or the word 'plastic' or similar in relation to the projectile, which might indicate an airsoft device), and the apparent fact that the judge sustained no injury and carried on with the business of the court would indeed lead us to surmise that it was an airsoft device.

    However, 'air gun' and 'air pistol' are the terms used, as far as I can see, so whatever the truth of the matter, it's relevant here in that it feeds into the general public perception of firearms.


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    Rovi
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    BornToKill wrote: »
    Probably appropriate to discuss it in the airsoft forum then, given that it was an airsoft imitation and not a real firearm.
    As I said in the post above, there's nothing to indicate that this was an airsoft device save our own surmising based on the 'facts' as reported.

    Whether or not the subject is suitable for discussion on the Airsoft forum is entirely up to the Mods there.


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    BornToKill
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    Rovi wrote: »
    it's relevant here in that it feeds into the general public perception of firearms.

    Don't get me wrong, Rovi. I couldn't agree more. The airsoft forum does not appear as enlightened on this point. It's a nothing story but has attracted substantial media attention.


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    Grizzly 45
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    Rew wrote: »
    It was evidence in the court case and its a toy gun not a firearm, the Judge was happy to have it there so its no one else's business what it was doing there.

    Ah! Do we know this??Seeing it was in Camera.There is a procedure for displaying evidence in court,wether if is a toy,a rocket launcher or whatever.especially firearms,wether real or toys,and a lawyer just pitching up with evidence in his breifcase is highly irregular.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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    Sparks
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    It was reported as a toy gun that fires plastic pellets by the Times Grizzly, and there's the point that the Judge didn't need medical treatment after being shot with it, but if you mean has anyone examined it and posted a report in public, no :D


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    Rew
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    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Ah! Do we know this??Seeing it was in Camera.There is a procedure for displaying evidence in court,wether if is a toy,a rocket launcher or whatever.especially firearms,wether real or toys,and a lawyer just pitching up with evidence in his breifcase is highly irregular.


    From the article Sparks posted:
    It is understood that one of the issues in dispute between the parties, who are the parents of a child, was the purchase of a toy pellet gun for the child by the father, to which the mother objected.

    The solicitor for one of the parties had the gun in court and it went off accidentally, striking the judge with pellets. He was not injured, and continued hearing the case. Judge Neilan himself bore no responsibility whatsoever for the incident.

    Similar text in the Metro this morning. I reckon it was some cheap gadget shop or Spanish holiday pellet gun.


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    Rew
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    BornToKill wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong, Rovi. I couldn't agree more. The airsoft forum does not appear as enlightened on this point. It's a nothing story but has attracted substantial media attention.

    A tree stump that looks like the Virgin Mary attracts attracted substantial media attention doesn't mean were going to discuss it. Airsoft forum is for the Sport of Airsoft not all the things random punters do with some toy that might be an Airsoft. Have this horrible sense of deja vu typing this... wonder why?


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    BornToKill
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    Rew wrote: »
    A tree stump that looks like the Virgin Mary attracts attracted substantial media attention doesn't mean were going to discuss it.

    But you are discussing it, aren't you? :o


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    Rew
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    BornToKill wrote: »
    But you are discussing it, aren't you? :o

    ...not on the airsoft board


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    Rovi
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    Folks, if there are 'issues' or 'history' with other forums, please don't haul them in here.

    Take it to PM or Help Desk or wherever.


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    Sparks
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    Actually BTK, Rovi spotted this twelve hours before it showed up in here and the mods decided we weren't going to post it. We weren't going to ban it either, but to be honest, it's really only not banned because of the safety issue it highlights (after all, if it was a *real* firearm...).

    I suspect it's only popular in here because of the schadenfreude aspect of all this. It certainly hasn't anything to do with the shooting sports or airsoft as a sport. In fact, it's really more suited to Legal Discussion as a forum :D


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