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Australia sleepwalking into population disaster.....

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    #92
    jank
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Hey I am not trying to Justify anything or make any excuses..... it was only a theory as to why racism exists in the first place.

    Like what makes people hate other people just because they are a different colour?

    And by the way racism is not always carried out by the wihite race..... there are plenty of cases where racism has been caried out by coloured people.

    A read of the first quarter of this book.
    http://www.amazon.com/War-World-Niall-Ferguson/dp/0143112392
    Explains alot of what goes on when "races" mix and the subsequent outcomes, which often are not pretty.


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    #93
    jank
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    Rosita wrote: »
    This is an interesting view from someone who says to another person a few posts later "you are coming across as racist".

    Your own view implies that one race is superior to another so it's probably best to avoid playing the racist card.

    Where ever did I say or even imply that one race is superior to another? Please quote me on that.

    I was stating the fact Aborigines were the original inhabitants of Australia which was basically stolen from them by white Anglo-Celtic settlers, hence why they are in the minority. If my previous quote didn't make that clear than this post will.


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    #94
    macca1983
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Can you give us some examples of these racist people, how they were racist and where they were from?

    Sometimes culture-ism can be mistaken for racism..... but they are far from the same thing.

    Culture-ism my arse. This was openly racist. What i found most surprising was their openness about it. I think many of them were so ignorant they didn't even realise they were being racist.

    Generally it happened in a social occasion ie people just sitting around having a chat. They honestly think Aboriginals are sub-human. The way they speak about them is frightening. I hate to generalise and call Australia a very racist country but i experienced it a number of times with a number of different Australians.


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    mandrake04
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    jank wrote: »
    A read of the first quarter of this book.
    http://www.amazon.com/War-World-Niall-Ferguson/dp/0143112392
    Explains alot of what goes on when "races" mix and the subsequent outcomes, which often are not pretty.


    Ok thanks for that I will..... Is the rest of the book intresting or just the first quarter


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    mandrake04
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    macca1983 wrote: »
    Culture-ism my arse. This was openly racist. What i found most surprising was their openness about it. I think many of them were so ignorant they didn't even realise they were being racist.

    Generally it happened in a social occasion ie people just sitting around having a chat. They honestly think Aboriginals are sub-human. The way they speak about them is frightening. I hate to generalise and call Australia a very racist country but i experienced it a number of times with a number of different Australians.

    Look I been here for 5 years and I have heard odd remarks about Aboriginals having drink problems or stealing stuff to buy drink...Have been warned where not to park the car......... but never heard anyone mention that they are sub-human.

    You must just socialise with the wrong type of people Im afraid....


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    macca1983
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Look I been here for 5 years and I have heard odd remarks about Aboriginals having drink problems or stealing stuff to buy drink...Have been warned where not to park the car......... but never heard anyone mention that they are sub-human.

    You must just socialise with the wrong type of people Im afraid....

    Don't be afraid.

    I just felt that the Australian attitude towards the Aboriginals was awful and racist. This was my experience and i came it across it a number of times when i travelled through the country. I am not exactly alone in this thinking.


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    #98
    jank
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Ok thanks for that I will..... Is the rest of the book intresting or just the first quarter

    No its a class book, just he doesnt stay on the topic of race and miscegenation for the whole book. It can be pretty grim in parts though.

    Generally anything from Neil Fergusan is well written, presented and easy enough to read. Although he himself can come across as smug on TV.

    If you are into that type of subject matter this book was reccommended to me by a few people as THE book to read.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=8f2y0F2wzLoC&dq=Hannah+Arendt,+Origins+of+Totalitarianism&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=mBbFSsSLBqfk6gPRt7mnDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4


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    moe_sizlak
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    macca1983 wrote: »
    Don't be afraid.

    I just felt that the Australian attitude towards the Aboriginals was awful and racist. This was my experience and i came it across it a number of times when i travelled through the country. I am not exactly alone in this thinking.

    just out of curiosity , how would you regard the majority view in ireland towards travellers


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    mike65
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    I'd say Australias population problems are going to be defined by water not race.


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    #101
    Zambia
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    macca1983 wrote: »
    Don't be afraid.

    I just felt that the Australian attitude towards the Aboriginals was awful and racist. This was my experience and i came it across it a number of times when i travelled through the country. I am not exactly alone in this thinking.

    I always think its very close to the Irish attitude to Travellers in a lot of cases.

    I am curious though what should their attitude be?


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    Zambia
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    mike65 wrote: »
    I'd say Australias population problems are going to be defined by water not race.

    I would say that will be a challenge but I am sure Australia will beat it.


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    mandrake04
    Registered Users Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    There was an Aboriginal storeman called Will at my work and he used to call an Indian Colleague 'sooty' to his face,

    I asked Will "why do you keep calling him Sooty?"

    Will said "Because I cant pronounce his name"


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    brendansmith
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    There was an Aboriginal storeman called Will at my work and he used to call an Indian Colleague 'sooty' to his face,

    I asked Will "why do you keep calling him Sooty?"

    Will said "Because I cant pronounce his name"


    The racistee becomes the racist! :eek:
    The game has changed gentlemen, the game has changed.


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    #105
    hussey
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    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Look I been here for 5 years and I have heard odd remarks about Aboriginals having drink problems or stealing stuff to buy drink...Have been warned where not to park the car......... but never heard anyone mention that they are sub-human.

    I don't think he meant they actually use the word sub-human, but their attitude towards them ...

    which I agree that some Australians do look at them like that (and a lot of backpackers), just like some Irish view travellers as sub-human (again they might not use that word) ... but certainly not all

    I've been here 4 years in Sydney and I rarely see them day to day except in a) Preforming at CQ b) around central station drinking

    Until I went to Uluru and actually learnt about their history & culture, I was clueless, as we don't see them everyday.

    They are a fascinating race and culture, but they are very secretive and won't share their secrets/culture until you actually spend them with them and show you care etc.

    Which could be a reason why people have no interaction with them, and are generally ignorant


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    Zambia
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    moe_sizlak wrote: »
    just out of curiosity , how would you regard the majority view in ireland towards travellers


    Can I answer that?

    I would say the majority of Irish people consider them a pack of spoungers at best.

    However they also have a rich and varied culture. Still don't want any child/niece/relative of mine dating one.


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    #107
    brendansmith
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    Zambia232 wrote: »
    Still don't want any child/niece/relative of mine dating one.

    Likewise. ;)


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    #108
    mandrake04
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    hussey wrote: »
    I don't think he meant they actually use the word sub-human, but their attitude towards them ...

    which I agree that some Australians do look at them like that (and a lot of backpackers), just like some Irish view travellers as sub-human (again they might not use that word) ... but certainly not all

    I've been here 4 years in Sydney and I rarely see them day to day except in a) Preforming at CQ b) around central station drinking

    Until I went to Uluru and actually learnt about their history & culture, I was clueless, as we don't see them everyday.

    They are a fascinating race and culture, but they are very secretive and won't share their secrets/culture until you actually spend them with them and show you care etc.

    Which could be a reason why people have no interaction with them, and are generally ignorant


    Same here I have met some really nice Aboriginal people and have respect for their culture....

    I always ask before taking photographs etc etc

    They were able to survive for 40,000 years in the most harshest conditions on the planet so you got to respect that. Likewise if they think you have a genuine intrest in their culture they are happy enough to share it with you.

    Hussey is correct those who dont bother to investigate the culture or have interaction are usually ignorant...


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    #109
    mandrake04
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    jank wrote: »
    No its a class book, just he doesnt stay on the topic of race and miscegenation for the whole book. It can be pretty grim in parts though.

    Generally anything from Neil Fergusan is well written, presented and easy enough to read. Although he himself can come across as smug on TV.

    If you are into that type of subject matter this book was reccommended to me by a few people as THE book to read.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=8f2y0F2wzLoC&dq=Hannah+Arendt,+Origins+of+Totalitarianism&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=mBbFSsSLBqfk6gPRt7mnDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4

    Thanks my instrest is early 20th Century histrory (Pre 1930's) in western Europe and N.America. WW1, Gt Depression and the British/Irish struggle


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