Why did people jump from the world trade towers?

mattfender

Amalgam wrote: »

I always wondered why any amount, even a fraction of people weren't helped off by helicopters.

I visited the tower with the Restaurant and viewing platform.. and you could get access to the roof.

Ironically, we had to make our way to the lifts around a huge clump of temporary air conditioning equipment, due to the effects of the car park bombing.

apparently they were forbidden to land or something

alabamawhurley

"Actually there is a video of a fella who tries to climb out of the North tower, gets a blast of wind or something and falls to his certain death. I can link to it if people wanna see it, ya dont see the landin or anything, but to try to put yourself in his shoes is just impossible. It must have been the most horrible feeling ever."



Hey Coyle could you please post link for this. Dreadfully sad but strangely facinating

mattfender

shampoosuicide wrote: »

Liam Gallagher saw it all coming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnyMxcTk_UA

oo you posted that at 9:11... :eek:

how did he predict it??

aidan24326

Ciaran500 wrote: »

You wouldn't suffocate

You're quite right. I don't know where this suffocation myth came from. You're only falling for maybe 8 seconds or so, so suffocation hardly comes into it.

shampoosuicide wrote: »

watching that Falling Man documentary, the Mexican family really pissed me off. obviously they went through grief and all that, but the sheer retardedness of this 'oh, jumping is suicide and his soul is in limbo' and 'if he loved his daughters, he would have tried to find a way out' ...how thick are some people?

I thought that too. Their attitude really sucked. Religious nonsense at its worst.

thebman

Irregularities in the pension fund.

citizen_p

for the craic... you could never open the windows before

sock puppet

I've always wondered about this. I mean 10 seconds to hit the ground. Imagine what it'd feel like while falling. :eek:

nlgbbbblth

so some people still believe the old "they'd be dead before they hit the ground" chestnut? It's only a ten second fall.

using that logic, parachute jumpers would die if they didn't open their chutes as soon as they exited the plane - instead of waiting and freefalling for a while like they usually do.

PeakOutput

having just reached the waypoint of 60mins in freefall i can in fact categorically confirm that they would not be dead before they hit the ground and most most likely they would not be unconscious either

KilOit

Bit of a difference jumping with a parachute and jumping to your death.

InkSlinger67

Mousey- wrote: »

for the craic... you could never open the windows before

Ya, I agree with ya there! There have been many occassions when starting my PC and getting BSOD I have wanted to jump to my death! :mad::mad::mad:

sean0

They only had two options and unfortunately staying alive wasn't one.They could suffocate/burn or Jump to their death.People who jumped,some of them, had written letters to their families etc... so if they burned they couldn't of left a message saying good bye.

Agricola

Its a pity Bear Grylls hadnt been around back then. Im pretty sure in one episode he fashioned a rudimentary parachute out of his trousers for just such an eventuality.

DarkJager

Weigh up what you'd rather choose: burning to death, being crushed as the building collapses or jumping to what will be an instant death? I know what I'd pick

STBR

MmmmmCheese wrote: »

They surely knew they couldnt survive such a drop.

:pac:

nlgbbbblth

would hitting the ground from that height be sore?

Sharpshooter

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

would hitting the ground from that height be sore?

I guess there's only one way to find out for sure.
I won't be trying it, will you?

giggsy664

Well, it's either die a horrible, painful, burning, choking death, OR jump, quick painless, with a very slim chance of surviving either way.

2 or 3 people who have jumped off the Eiffel tower have survived apparently

Joey the lips

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

would hitting the ground from that height be sore?

Well i imagine you could lick you balls and scratch your arse with your teeth what do you think?

antodeco

giggsy664 wrote: »

2 or 3 people who have jumped off the Eiffel tower have survived apparently

Were they in seine?

/gets coat

Joey the lips

antodeco wrote: »

Were they in seine?

/gets coat

Intelligent jokes are not allowed in afterhours.

Jeanious

alabamawhurley wrote: »

"Actually there is a video of a fella who tries to climb out of the North tower, gets a blast of wind or something and falls to his certain death. I can link to it if people wanna see it, ya dont see the landin or anything, but to try to put yourself in his shoes is just impossible. It must have been the most horrible feeling ever."



Hey Coyle could you please post link for this. Dreadfully sad but strangely facinating

I have to agree, something draws me too it alright. I suppose its the human side of an otherwise faceless tragedy (and by that i mean that most pictures and videos ya see are just of the buildings collapsing)

Here's the link...not for the very sensitive, but it doesnt have any of the landing or anything of a gory nature:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFmNCslvCFA

I agree with those who say you wouldnt die during the fall, sure itd freak ya out but its only ten seconds or thereabouts. I really dont think there was much left either, they identified the falling man with dna and dental, not from anything physical.

Regarding the family of Norberto Hernandes, who was first thought to be "the falling man", it really sickened me the way they were goin on in the documentary...jaysus christ be burned alive, or jump out a 100 storey building...does the very fact that people jumped not tell them something about the conditions on the inside? Religious claptrap at its very worst.

I must say, i really see jumping as the heroic thing to do, its either sit there and burn alive, or pluck up the courage (and fcuk knows itd take a lot of courage to jump from a 90+ story building) to die on your own terms and give one final two fingers to whoever perpetrated the attack.

Not much cowardly about that to be honest.

laugh

To make one final choice.

kumate_champ07

"Why did people jump from the world trade towers?"

To get to the other side?

Professey Chin

SWANTON BOMB!

Sharpshooter

Ultimate Chin wrote: »

SWANTON BOMB!

<_<

>_>

DamoDLK

mattfender wrote: »

apparently they were forbidden to land or something

Apparently they couldn't land even if they wanted to as the smoke made it impossible to see anything..

sock puppet wrote: »

I've always wondered about this. I mean 10 seconds to hit the ground. Imagine what it'd feel like while falling. :eek:

Hard to know - but one things for sure it'd be far better than burning.

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

would hitting the ground from that height be sore?

I wondered about that one too, i'd hope for their sake no, but the pain if any wouldn't last for more than a split second. dead on impact.

DamoDLK

coyle wrote: »

Here's the link...not for the very sensitive, but it doesnt have any of the landing or anything of a gory nature:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFmNCslvCFA

Holy F**k, man i just watched your link, Imagine this poor fella, so badly wanting to survive that he tries to climb down the building.. a few seconds going through his mind... 'yes, yes i might just make it', imagine how the poor chap felt when he slipped..

mattfender

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

"Why did people jump from the world trade towers?"

To get to the other side?

how many ppl have said this now...?

amacachi

Not meaning to be crude or trivialise the whole thing but I'd think that in that situation I'd jump. Bit of a buzz (like a skydive) and instant death rather than slow, agonising death.

Piste

Even though to us it was onlt 10 seconds and a split second of pain, do you think maybe time sort of slowed for them and in those 10 seconds they had time to both understand and fear the impending death? Did the pain feel like minutes as about to a split second?

This thread is so horrible I had a dream about a person on fire last night

mattfender

people who are in car accidents and stuff get a feeling like time slows down.

Its just best not to think about it that stuff just messes up your head

DamoDLK

Piste wrote: »

Even though to us it was onlt 10 seconds and a split second of pain, do you think maybe time sort of slowed for them and in those 10 seconds they had time to both understand and fear the impending death? Did the pain feel like minutes as about to a split second?

This thread is so horrible I had a dream about a person on fire last night

I'm sure it felt like an eternity for them - but nobody really knows. I'd hope for their sake it was quick and painless.

angel01

They knew they wouldn't survive so basically to put them out of their misery I suppose.

me_right_one

MmmmmCheese wrote: »

See what i always thought was that the primal human instinct is to cling onto life at any cost and by any means possible. To jump out the windows means certain death but if they stayed inside the buliding they might have some chance, no matter how small, of surviving.

No, human instinct is to have the least amount of pain. This is how the mechanism for survival works. Courage is the act of conciously facing pain despite your bodys' objections to doing so.

Anyway, you have it the wrong way round. The tiny chance of surviving the fall was way better than the chances of survivng the fire or the wait to be rescued. IMO these people did take the option to cling to life. How desparate their situation must have been.

Ciaran500

Piste wrote: »

Even though to us it was onlt 10 seconds and a split second of pain, do you think maybe time sort of slowed for them and in those 10 seconds they had time to both understand and fear the impending death? Did the pain feel like minutes as about to a split second?(

With my first skydive I have almost no memory of the free fall at all. My mind was just completely over whelmed, I did what I was trained to do but outside of that I wasn't functioning.

Kipperhell

My fear of heights is not falling but giving in to the will to jump, it just feels so tempting.

Jeanious

DamoDLK wrote: »

Holy F**k, man i just watched your link, Imagine this poor fella, so badly wanting to survive that he tries to climb down the building.. a few seconds going through his mind... 'yes, yes i might just make it', imagine how the poor chap felt when he slipped..

I know yeah, it must have been absolutely awful, but i cant even comprehend it. To make one last stab at life and have it taken away in such a cruel way. Horrendous.

me_right_one wrote: »

No, human instinct is to have the least amount of pain. This is how the mechanism for survival works. Courage is the act of conciously facing pain despite your bodys' objections to doing so.

Anyway, you have it the wrong way round. The tiny chance of surviving the fall was way better than the chances of survivng the fire or the wait to be rescued. IMO these people did take the option to cling to life. How desparate their situation must have been.

I totally agree, regardless of whether they know the building would collapse (doubtful), burning alive must have been a certainty if they resorted to jumping.

When i first started lookin into all this, i was really lookin for any sort of miraculous survival of the fall, as opposed to people who stayed in the building, cos i thought anyone who stayed in was a gonner, and that a 1 in a billion freak could have saved someone who jumped. Sadly not, or ive not found anything to indicate that anyone survived it, but check out this lady:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulović

Another link, its a 999 call from inside the tower, and the ending is definitely not for the faint of heart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhGVpP8hCw

Goddamn it, if i was in that position, id like to think id take the jump, burning alive, or in his case being crushed to death is just too horrible a way to die, and they really must have been on the verge of being overcome with the fire if jumping was the better option.

To feel cold air on your face, and take one last breath of fresh air must have been paradise after being trapped inside that inferno, even knowing how it would all end up.

All in all, an absolute nightmare scenario.

Acacia

This thread is making me feel sick. How many people have posted the same crap "to get to the other side?" joke by now? Now, I know ''it's AH'' and as such you have irrefutable justification for posting insensitive jokes :rolleyes: but at least have a read through the thread so you might realise you're not as original and witty as you think.

Anyway, I have a feeling I would jump if I was in that postion too. I've always been afraid/ wary of fire, and I imagine I'd take jumping to my death over burning alive.

Joey the lips

Acacia wrote: »

This thread is making me feel sick. How many people have posted the same crap "to get to the other side?" joke by now? Now, I know ''it's AH'' and as such you have irrefutable justification for posting insensitive jokes :rolleyes: but at least have a read through the thread so you might realise you're not as original and witty as you think.

Anyway, I have a feeling I would jump if I was in that postion too. I've always been afraid/ wary of fire, and I imagine I'd take jumping to my death over burning alive.

Ehh, dont read it/Unsubscribe from it! You cannot legislate for the sick personalities that exist in the world.

Acacia

Joey the lips wrote: »

Ehh, dont read it/Unsubscribe from it! You cannot legislate for the sick personalities that exist in the world.

No need to not read the thread or unsubscribe. I admit I have a morbid interest in 9/11 and other such tragic events, which is why I read the thread in the first place.

It's not really the sick jokes that are the problem* as much as how the same one was repeated three times. Which seems to me like the posters just saw the thread title, didn't read through the thread and just typed out the first 'shocking' joke that came to mind. Which reeks of thanks-whoring to me.

Just something that irked me somewhat.:)



* and you can't ever argue against those who use "but this is AH!" to defend sick jokes, because, y'know, it's AH and that makes it okay.;)

Daroxtar

Tenth page and no one has stated the obvious.
The lifts were broke.

mattfender

coyle wrote: »

Another link, its a 999 call from inside the tower, and the ending is definitely not for the faint of heart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUhGVpP8hCw

Goddamn it, if i was in that position, id like to think id take the jump, burning alive, or in his case being crushed to death is just too horrible a way to die, and they really must have been on the verge of being overcome with the fire if jumping was the better option.

All in all, an absolute nightmare scenario.

Theres another documentary on youtube where some guys actually survived the collapse inside

gerk86

you would pass out from smoke inhalation before the flames got to you. Personally I think I would have gone inside and taken several lungfuls of that black toxic smoke. It would be lights out in seconds...

Shoop

gerk86 wrote: »

you would pass out from smoke inhalation before the flames got to you. Personally I think I would have gone inside and taken several lungfuls of that black toxic smoke. It would be lights out in seconds...

Eh.....thats easier said than done. I'm sure the stuff would have burned and stung your face/mouth/lungs SO much that it's really impossible to comprehend while just sitting here.

Jeanious

mattfender wrote: »

Theres another documentary on youtube where some guys actually survived the collapse inside

Yeah the firemen was it? Unbelievable story, half a billion tonnes of burning building came down on top of them and somehow they managed to survive. Mad stuff altogether.

me_right_one

coyle wrote: »

Yeah the firemen was it? Unbelievable story, half a billion tonnes of burning building came down on top of them and somehow they managed to survive. Mad stuff altogether.

Amazing. Do you have a link? I always wondered did anyone survive the buildings falling

mikemac

That Oliver Stone film was based on two Port Authority officers who survived

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center_(film)

The film World Trade Center retells the story of McLoughlin (played by Nicolas Cage) and William Jimeno. The two Port Authority police officers were rescued after being trapped in the rubble at Ground Zero. Jimeno was pulled out after 13 hours; McLoughlin came out after 22 hours.

McLoughlin led a team of officers, including Jimeno, who were in between the two towers on the main concourse when the South Tower collapsed. The five ran toward a nearby freight elevator, and were buried in the ensuing collapse of the concourse. Officers Antonio Rodrigues and Chris Amoroso were killed immediately. McLoughlin, Jimeno and a third officer, Dominick Pezzulo, were trapped but alive. The freight elevator withstood the devastation, creating breathing room that saved their lives. Pezzulo, who was the only one not pinned, immediately managed to free himself and tried to free Jimeno, but the subsequent collapse of the North Tower caused shifting and additional debris falling through, and he was mortally wounded and eventually died minutes after the collapse.

tinkerbell

There was a group of people who survived in a section of the JW Marriott hotel as well and both towers collapsed on top of the hotel. They just happened to be in the part of the hotel that had been reinforced after a bomb went off a few years previously in the WTC carpark I think?? They had a documentary on about it there a few weeks ago on Discovery.

brummytom

Saw the Oliver Stone film the other week, was gripping.

Anyone see the documentary last year I think (might have been repeated this year) about a stairwell of people that survived? They were right in the middle of one of the towers. Amazing stuff