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Voted yes last time and definately No this time

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  • 19-09-2009 10:14pm
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    ChantalR
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭


    Last time I did not take the time to go through all the information, pro and con. SF and the Socialists being against the Lisbon treaty was enough for me as I am very far away from their political outlook.

    However, this time I have take the time to read the treaty and understand it as much as I can, and I have changed my mind and will definitely vote no. I am pro Europe but do not this is in the best interests of the citizens of Ireland and Europe.

    I find it concerning how anyone on this forum who does not go with the yes vote seems to be vilified. I wonder what happened to free speech

    Ask your self why Euro-lobbyists are pouring money into a yes vote advertising.


    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100010512/brussels-lobbyists-pile-into-irish-referendum-campaign/

    Three good reasons to spurn Lisbon once again

    http://www.sbpost.ie/commentandanalysis/three-good-reasons-to-spurn-lisbon-once-again-44120.html


    Take time to read through the treaty and all the information that is pro and con and make up your own mind.
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    skelliser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭skelliser


    inline with the agenda here im sure you will be vilified and this thread will be locked.
    Il also peobably get banned for suggesting so as well


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    Mrmoe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    ChantalR wrote: »
    I find it concerning how anyone on this forum who does not go with the yes vote seems to be vilified. I wonder what happened to free speech


    I do not think this is the case at all. I plan to vote no but I do not feel vilified. I think the No side has too much of a persecution complex. Some of it is justified but on the whole I think most people here stick to the issues. The one thing that I would wish from this referendum campaign is that for ALL external parties to stay away and that includes UKIP, Sarkozy, Barroso?? etc.


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    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Vincent Browne asking for a no vote this time 'round. Interesting.


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    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    If you think you'll be vilified, why post?

    And, yes, skelliser, you did just earn yourself a ban. Please take the time to re-read the forum charter, and the post on accusing the mods of bias. Take it to the Help Desk if you think there's a genuine issue.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


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    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    I plan to vote no but I do not feel vilified.


    Don't feel vilified, you're doing the right thing IMO. I've posted before and learned some new stuff about Lisbon, which is great. It hasn't changed my opinion though. It's your vote.


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    Euro_Kraut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    ChantalR wrote: »
    I find it concerning how anyone on this forum who does not go with the yes vote seems to be vilified. I wonder what happened to free speech

    It is remarkable that you came to that conclusion on just your second post, having only joined the forum today.


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    evercloserunion
    Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭evercloserunion


    squod wrote: »
    Vincent Browne asking for a no vote this time 'round. Interesting.
    He asked for a No last time too.


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    ynotdu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ynotdu


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    It is remarkable that you came to that conclusion on just your second post, having only joined the forum today.

    Euro-Kraut, Well Spotted!

    I am not suggesting that the poster in question is an infiltrator,but leaving Paranoia aside i DO believe that the Lisbon treaty debate certainly IS being hijacked across ALL media by both the YES&NO sides propaganda.

    It is good that people are being vigilant towards this!


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    Mrmoe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    Euro_Kraut wrote: »
    It is remarkable that you came to that conclusion on just your second post, having only joined the forum today.

    Maybe he has read all of the different threads as a guest today or for many months but was only decided to join today. I think that is equally as plausible.


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    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Mrmoe wrote: »
    Maybe he has read all of the different threads as a guest today or for many months but was only decided to join today. I think that is equally as plausible.

    That really ought to be the default assumption. More people read forums than post.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    Rb
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    Mrmoe wrote: »
    Maybe he has read all of the different threads as a guest today or for many months but was only decided to join today. I think that is equally as plausible.
    Given the recent events I don't think it is equally plausible at all. It is certainly a plausible explanation, but with the recent influx of militant No campaigners I would imagine that there's something going on.


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    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    evercloserunion wrote: »
    He asked for a No last time too.


    Well, even more interesting.


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    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Rb wrote: »
    Given the recent events I don't think it is equally plausible at all. It is certainly a plausible explanation, but with the recent influx of militant No campaigners I would imagine that there's something going on.

    Unfortunately, it's like any form of spam - it's probably better to not bin useful emails and have a pile of spam in the inbox than trash the useful emails along with the spam.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    ChantalR wrote: »
    I find it concerning how anyone on this forum who does not go with the yes vote seems to be vilified. I wonder what happened to free speech

    Strongly questioned, Yes, not vilified.

    Free speech is allowed, but lies will not be tolerated.

    Politics.ie maybe more suited to you, but sure that would mean 90% of Ireland would vote No! Unfortunately there is very little debate on p.ie this time, unlike last.

    There was a little balanced debate the last time on p.ie.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    lucernarian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Given by the poll showings on boards, it seems that someone against the treaty would find plenty of at least some supporters who haven't been banned or at least ignored due to hit-and-run rants?

    As for p.ie, most of its debate is balanced with the exception of FF matters, where there's overwhelming opinion (bias??) against that party.


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    Euro_Kraut
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭Euro_Kraut


    To_be_confirmed wrote: »
    As for p.ie, most of its debate is balanced with the exception of FF matters, where there's overwhelming opinion (bias??) against that party.

    P.ie posters are tend (very heavily) to be Anti-Lisbon. Its usually a competition to see who can out do each other in righteous indignation at the YES side.


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    wylo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    OP, your post looks like spam, and your wondering why you'll be vilified.

    Why dont you tell us what parts of the treaty you have a problem with seeing as you went through it so thoroughly this time.


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    ConsiderThis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 230 ✭✭ConsiderThis


    Rb wrote: »
    Given the recent events I don't think it is equally plausible at all. It is certainly a plausible explanation, but with the recent influx of militant No campaigners I would imagine that there's something going on.

    My goodness. What form has this militant-ism taken? have the offices of boards.ie been bombed or something?


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    ConsiderThis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 230 ✭✭ConsiderThis


    To_be_confirmed wrote: »
    Given by the poll showings on boards, it seems that someone against the treaty would find plenty of at least some supporters who haven't been banned or at least ignored due to hit-and-run rants?

    As for p.ie, most of its debate is balanced with the exception of FF matters, where there's overwhelming opinion (bias??) against that party.

    Showing at around 20% in the recent opinion polls, there also appears to be a similar overwhelming bias in the population at large against FF.


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    evercloserunion
    Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭evercloserunion


    ConsiderThis wrote: »
    Showing at around 20% in the recent opinion polls, there also appears to be a similar overwhelming bias in the population at large against FF.
    Untrue, it's not similar. One in five people would still vote FF in a general election, probably more in fact. How many groups of five would you have to sample to find one pro-FF poster on P.ie?

    There's also an anti-Lisbon imbalance on P.ie that is out of touch with reality, but it is not as heavy as it appears. In terms of noise made the imbalance is much more extreme than the imbalance of number of posters on each side, because it's the same old anti-Lisbon hacks who start thread after thread about the same old sh*t.

    It's the disproportionate amount of Euroskeptics on the site thatis most striking IMO.


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    turgon
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    I dont see why we are wasting time talking about P.ie.

    Its a classic No hive, where the sheer number of them creates a situation where they can spout their nonsense and not have it refuted, and listen to other nonsense and believe it because the majority there believe it etc.

    I love when they attack Boards.ie too, because you know that they wont come here simply because their points will be refuted. Better to be sheltered from the storm, apparently.


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    Scofflaw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    turgon wrote: »
    I dont see why we are wasting time talking about P.ie.

    Its a classic No hive, where the sheer number of them creates a situation where they can spout their nonsense and not have it refuted, and listen to other nonsense and believe it because the majority there believe it etc.

    I love when they attack Boards.ie too, because you know that they wont come here simply because their points will be refuted. Better to be sheltered from the storm, apparently.

    I blame lack of moderation, myself.

    slyly,
    Scofflaw


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    K-9
    Registered Users Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    evercloserunion wrote: »
    Untrue, it's not similar. One in five people would still vote FF in a general election, probably more in fact. How many groups of five would you have to sample to find one pro-FF poster on P.ie?

    There's also an anti-Lisbon imbalance on P.ie that is out of touch with reality, but it is not as heavy as it appears. In terms of noise made the imbalance is much more extreme than the imbalance of number of posters on each side, because it's the same old anti-Lisbon hacks who start thread after thread about the same old sh*t.

    It's the disproportionate amount of Euroskeptics on the site thatis most striking IMO.

    It was readable the last time, not this time. A lot of the good Yes posters left after the last vote.

    The No side is probably under represented on threads here and the overall level of posts here.

    I think it is more down to ardent No voters just posting and leaving or not responding if challenged. Or if they do keep posting, they are challenged, unlike p.ie.

    There probably is an element of preaching to the converted on this board!

    Why that is, is an interesting subject. It certainly is not just down to the Pro EU Bias thrown at this forum and site. There is more to it!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    #25
    gaillimheach
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭gaillimheach


    I voted Yes last time, but this time I'll be voting No.


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    evercloserunion
    Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭evercloserunion


    turgon wrote: »
    I dont see why we are wasting time talking about P.ie.

    Its a classic No hive, where the sheer number of them creates a situation where they can spout their nonsense and not have it refuted, and listen to other nonsense and believe it because the majority there believe it etc.

    I love when they attack Boards.ie too, because you know that they wont come here simply because their points will be refuted. Better to be sheltered from the storm, apparently.
    You do realize that you've just wasted time talking about P.ie?


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    evercloserunion
    Registered Users Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭evercloserunion


    gaillimheach wrote: »
    I voted Yes last time, but this time I'll be voting No.
    Cen fáth?


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    meglome
    Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    evercloserunion wrote: »
    Cen fáth?

    Maybe that Sarkosy bloke came round to his house and put a gun to his head? He seems to have been all over this country threatening people in person. You would have thought him being a little short arsed French guy that wasn't in the country at the time it would have been... I dunno, impossible.


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