YES Voters - which group are you closest to?

Euro_Kraut

In the spirit of the McKenna Judgment we probably should have this poll for the YES side too.


There are many groups supporting the Lisbon treaty. Some from a center left perceptive, some from a center right perspective, some from business, some from the trade unions and some from general pro-European perspectives.

So to understand from what perceptive you are supporting this treaty from, can you say which of the following groups best represent your support for the Lisbon treaty?

- Fine Gael
- Labour
- The Greens
- Fianna Fail
- The Liberals
- Ireland for Europe
- Generation Yes
- We Belong
- SIPTU/ICTU
- The Charter Group
- IBEC
- Irish Farmers Ass.


While perhaps no one group represents your views completely, I would still be interested in hearing which groups reasons for supporting the Treaty are closest to yours?

Mods: Can you add a poll to this perhaps? Also would appreciate it if you could add in a important group that I have forgot.

(Gotta love copy and paste )

To start the ball rolling, My views are closest to: Labour.

evercloserunion

Labour I'd say, though I'm not a member. Labour have an important role to play as they are the main left-wing pro-Europe organization.

Beau

Generation Yes

Agent Smith

Fine Gael

K-9

No real group in particular.

The EU's track record usually decides it for me.

Euro_Kraut

K-9 wrote: »

No real group in particular.

The EU's track record usually decides it for me.

So thats probably 'We belong' or 'Ireland for Europe' then?

anonymous_joe

Combination of Labour and IBEC.

Business student with a soul kind of thing. :pac:

Coriolanus

I don't know. I try not to read the propaganda either for or against, so I don't really know the views of any of the listed groups.

dermot_sheehan

How about pro-european, as in pro the instution of the european union and pro the lisbon political reforms and pro keeping ireland's high level of political capital intact on the european stage.

Scofflaw

gabhain7 wrote: »

How about pro-european, as in pro the instution of the european union and pro the lisbon political reforms and pro keeping ireland's high level of political capital intact on the european stage.

This thread needs a "just pro-EU" option, as the other thread needs a "just very angry generally" option.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Euro_Kraut

gabhain7 wrote: »

How about pro-european, as in pro the instution of the european union and pro the lisbon political reforms and pro keeping ireland's high level of political capital intact on the european stage.

Than take your pick between:

-We Belong
-Ireland for Europe
-Generation Yes

I don't know. I try not to read the propaganda either for or against, so I don't really know the views of any of the listed groups.

I can understand that. I am trying to understand the ideological underpinning of peoples voting preference. You surely must have some idea of what view IBEC generally takes on things as opposed to to SIPTU?

K-9

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

So thats probably 'We belong' or 'Ireland for Europe' then?

Why "box me off"?

Coriolanus

Well I read the business pages, so yes in a general sense I know the positions of the organisations and in a general sense I loath every soul employed by SIPTU (not really, they just make me mad sometimes ) and am largely indifferent to the waffly talking shop that is IBEC.

I've always supported the European project. The negatives, and I don't deny there are many, have simply never outweighed the positives imo.

Euro_Kraut

K-9 wrote: »

Why "box me off"?

Because I want to label you.

A poll would make this a lot easier I think.

Tarobot

Generation Yes

Daftendirekt

Who are the Liberals?

I really couldn't answer your question since I'm not all that familiar with some of those groups.

Personally though, I'm a secularist, generally very pro-free market, pro-EU and extremely socially liberal, so whichever group is the closest match to me, I suppose.

ei.sdraob

K-9 wrote: »

No real group in particular.

The EU's track record usually decides it for me.

Same as above

+

FG
Labour

and

IBEC

The Volt

Labour Party for me.

is_that_so

Also have always been a strong supporter of the EU concept in its ability to break down barriers, especially non-existent and invented ones. As an entity it is cumbersome, confusing, frustrating, sometimes absurd but as an experiment in political evolution easily the best thing of the last century.

ei.sdraob

is_that_so wrote: »

Also have always been a strong supporter of the EU concept in its ability to break down barriers, especially non-existent and invented ones. As an entity it is cumbersome, confusing, frustrating, sometimes absurd but as an experiment in political evolution easily the best thing of the last century.

I think comparing the second half of the 20th century to the first half by anyone with even rudamentory knowledge of European and Irish history

is enough to come to the conclusion that EU has been a movement in the "right" direction

Euro_Kraut

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Who are the Liberals?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Liberals

ei.sdraob

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Liberals

Hmm thanks very interesting, i find myself agreeing with a lot of the policies and centrist position

Martin 2

If there were an anonymous poll I’d vote however don’t want to make my leanings public at the moment. I don’t think ‘pro-EU’ is a valid voting option since all groups listed are pro-EU and choosing pro-EU doesn’t convey any extra information wrt the OP question… likewise ‘none of the above’ or ‘other’.

Daftendirekt

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Liberals

Thanks. Interesting stuff, I guess I'll lump myself in with these!

meglome

K-9 wrote: »

No real group in particular.

The EU's track record usually decides it for me.

Yup that's me too.

And of course there was only so much No campaign lying I could tolerate.

mikemac

No mention of the IFA OP?

Irish Farmers Association for me anyway

Red Sleeping Beauty

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Who are the Liberals?

Good question. It's a wikipedia group as far as I can tell.