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JOBS:treaty itself "contains no provisions on this". Referendum Comission

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  • 20-09-2009 10:01pm
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    Toiletroll
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    This is an interesting statement vastly under reported where despite many claims to the contary....
    Commission chairman Mr Justice Frank Clarke said:claims that ratifying the treaty will affect job levels are "political claims about which people may have different views." However, he added that the treaty itself "contains no provisions on this".

    http://www.ireland.com/home/Increased_understanding_Treaty/maxi/fast/news/irnews/238832

    This nails the lie that the referendum has anything to do with jobs........as the slogan goes the only job saved by passing Lisbon will be Brian Cowens.


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    ei.sdraob
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    more interestingly (from same link)

    Mr Justice Clarke said the EU has "no input" into Ireland's minimum wage, which he said was set by the Government. "The EU has no input into this nor will it have if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified."


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    Scofflaw
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    Toiletroll wrote: »
    This is an interesting statement vastly under reported where despite many claims to the contary....



    http://www.ireland.com/home/Increased_understanding_Treaty/maxi/fast/news/irnews/238832

    This nails the lie that the referendum has anything to do with jobs........as the slogan goes the only job saved by passing Lisbon will be Brian Cowens.

    I'm afraid all he's doing is pointing out that the issue is arguable, and being arguable, has nothing to do with the Referendum Commission. What successfully creates jobs (or destroys them) is not an open and shut piece of economic science by a very long chalk indeed.

    I'm afraid no lies were nailed in the making of your post.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    K-9
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    Scofflaw wrote: »

    I'm afraid no lies were nailed in the making of your post.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Except the minimum wage one.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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    is_that_so
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    RTE used the word assertion. An assertion or claim suggests in this context that the benefit that can be reaped from voting Yes is more jobs. In the context of a recovery this is probably not untrue. It gives a warm fuzzy glow to those who can't be bothered to read up on it and need a positive reason for voting Yes. It is a claim even a belief , not wholly false and certainly not false in the way that the €1.84 or abortion claims are quite clearly false. I also fail to see what the big deal is here apart from those opposing the treaty who are miffed that their claims have been proven to be utterly false. The EU has been sold like this in almost every EU election and EU-linked referendum we've ever had.


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    Scofflaw
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    Posted on politics.ie at roughly the same time as the OP:
    JOBS:treaty itself "contains no provisions on this". Referendum Comission
    Interesting statement almost un reported where despite many claims to the contary....


    Commission chairman Mr Justice Frank Clarke said:claims that ratifying the treaty will affect job levels are "political claims about which people may have different views." However, he added that the treaty itself "contains no provisions on this".

    Link:
    Increased understanding of treaty - Ireland.com

    Sort of nails the lie that the referendum has anything to do with jobs........as the slogan goes the only job saved by passing Lisbon will be Brian Cowens.

    Now, we have rules on posting campaign material, and this looks to me like either someone is simply posting copypasta, or the shill explanation comes in. Given that the "only job" thing is a Libertas invention, what exactly am I looking at here?

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


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    Dave!
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    I woulda thought the jobs issue was more to do with the uncertainty that may or may not be created if we vote no. Multi-nationals, other countries, etc., might be more inclined to invest in, or deal with, Ireland if we're percieved as being emphatically pro-European, and tied to Europe.

    How accurate this is is debateable, but I don't think there's anyone claiming that the treaty explicitly promises more jobs or anything....


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    marco_polo
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    Scofflaw wrote: »
    Posted on politics.ie at roughly the same time as the OP:



    Now, we have rules on posting campaign material, and this looks to me like either someone is simply posting copypasta, or the shill explanation comes in. Given that the "only job" thing is a Libertas invention, what exactly am I looking at here?

    moderately,
    Scofflaw

    I like to think of him as a human RSS feed for P.ie

    Jacques Attali:Lisbon is about world government
    http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty/103842-jacques-attali-lisbon-about-world-government.html
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055686207

    czech to be bullied if we say yes
    http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty/103786-czech-bullied-if-we-say-yes.html
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055687130

    Wall St Journal - Ireland has no reason to fear the consequences of No vote on Lisbon
    http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty/103268-wsj-ireland-has-no-reason-fear-consequences-no-vote-lisbon.html
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055685203


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