National Postcodes to be introduced

dr.fuzzenstein

plodder wrote: »

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So, what did they do? Only copy the UK (as usual). So, instead of one annual rush, we now have two. Putting the year on license plates is a stupid anachronism which created the whole snob effect in the first place. I don't think any other country does it apart from the UK.

Of course. In Germany you would say "nice Passat, what year is it?"
In Ireland you might say "Oh dear, it's an 05, things not going so well?"
So then we run to the bank manager to get more cash and while we're at it a holiday, a second car, a shopping trip and a new wardrobe.
Ireland was (and maybe still is) such a consumer society, everything new, everything crap, everything overpriced and everything on credit. So 5 years later when everything you bought with this magic money tree money is old, broken or gone, the debt still lingers.
Hopefully /off topic :pac:

ukoda

SpaceTime wrote: »

That was nothing to do with avoiding the number 13, nor did it avoid it.

The motor industry wanted to avoid the end-of-year rush and split car sales into the summer and winter.

All their sales were happening ahead of the January rush to get a new reg.

Correct. The motor industry had been calling for this for a while to spread out the peak new year sales and stabilise the market.

Interesting the Italians avoid the number 17 due to the Roman numerals spelling out "I have lived" backwards, which they take to mean "I'm dead" so buildings in Italy don't usually have a floor 17, car manufactures have rebranded cars with the number 17 in them for the Italian market

You know that massive cruise liner that was in Dublin yesterday? Doesn't have a floor 17 goes straight to 18) because it's Italian made.

Anyway....postcodes anyone?

ukoda

ozmo wrote: »

'cept - the post man on the road would have no idea which house on his route its for.

..unless all postmen get new handheld computers - (unions will have a field day with the bonuses for training required on that) - or the sorting office handwrites the address for you.

Postmen do have handheld devices, I just saw my own postman walking back to his car updating his handheld device.

ukoda

TheBustedFlush wrote: »

Surely that can't be right? If you're a small courier, and you have the eircode for an address, then you could just go online to their website or google or whatever, enter the eirocde and it would show you the location? Isn't that how it's meant to work?

So it would be very easy to develop an app with the codes and coordinates behind it that you could have on your phone, enter the code and it would show you the location? For a small business doing low volume of deliveries that would be the way to go. Or enter into your Garmin or TomTom satnav if they get the database of codes.

In that scenario the customer gives you the eircode. If you want anyone to be able to use their eircode on your app, then ou need all eircodes in your app. Meaning you need to pay eircode for their database

ukoda

plodder wrote: »

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So, what did they do? Only copy the UK (as usual). So, instead of one annual rush, we now have two. Putting the year on license plates is a stupid anachronism which created the whole snob effect in the first place. I don't think any other country does it apart from the UK.

Yeah and putting small areas on a postcode is a stupid idea creating a snob effect. Stupid government never learn...oh wait we didn't do it that way this time.

Sam Russell

ukoda wrote: »

Yeah and putting small areas on a postcode is a stupid idea creating a snob effect. Stupid government never learn...oh wait we didn't do it that way this time.

... except for Dublin 6W.

ukoda

Sam Russell wrote: »

... except for Dublin 6W.

historical mistake, I'm saying at least they didn't spread that kind of snob mentality across the country with the new postcode.

ozmo

ukoda wrote: »

historical mistake, I'm saying at least they didn't spread that kind of snob mentality across the country with the new postcode.

Wasnt the reason to keep D04 as the postcode to protect property prices? If its for any other reason like easy to remember - then other Counties would get easy remember ones also.

ukoda

ozmo wrote: »

Wasnt the reason to keep D04 as the postcode to protect property prices? If its for any other reason like easy to remember - then other Counties would get letters also.

it was done to not upset the folk who already have a "postcode" people are very attached to their D postcodes and they didn't want to get rid of them. They also said that the new postcode wouldn't require anyone to change their address, so they kept the D codes as its already established as part of their address

Sam Russell

If they went with a numeric only code, none of this would matter. Numeric is much more robust, and could be designed to be more memorable. They could have been designed to regroup the post codes to break up the snob areas - small areas would be less prone to this - perhaps.

ukoda

Sam Russell wrote: »

If they went with a numeric only code, none of this would matter. Numeric is much more robust, and could be designed to be more memorable. They could have been designed to regroup the post codes to break up the snob areas - small areas would be less prone to this - perhaps.

It's the numbers not the letters that create the snobbery in the likes of D4, no one every complained about using D, they had to introduce the W because people didn't like the number

You'll never please everyone, I think it's for the best to leave the D codes as is, the hassle you'd get trying to change them would create another 10 year delay

ozmo

ukoda wrote: »

You'll never please everyone, I think it's for the best to leave the D codes as is, the hassle you'd get trying to change them would create another 10 year delay

Just wait til the folks in Dalkey,Blackrock, Killiney realise they wont be getting a 'D'ublin Eircode

clewbays

yuloni wrote: »

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Must remember not to hire an FTAI member if they cannot figure out that these Eircodes are located close to each other!

1 Somewhere Avenue
Mount Very Lost
Foxrock
D18 ABCD

51 Somewhere Avenue
Mount Very Lost
Foxrock
D18 47R2

yuloni

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yuloni

yuloni wrote: »

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Bit late for that now, isn't it?

dr.fuzzenstein

ukoda wrote: »

Correct. The motor industry had been calling for this for a while to spread out the peak new year sales and stabilise the market.

Interesting the Italians avoid the number 17 due to the Roman numerals spelling out "I have lived" backwards, which they take to mean "I'm dead" so buildings in Italy don't usually have a floor 17, car manufactures have rebranded cars with the number 17 in them for the Italian market

You know that massive cruise liner that was in Dublin yesterday? Doesn't have a floor 17 goes straight to 18) because it's Italian made.

Anyway....postcodes anyone?

wonder if there will be a 13 in the postcodes...

ukoda

yuloni wrote: »

No love in Meath!


Meath council members in Eircode scrap call:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/meath-council-members-in-eircode-scrap-call-330250.html

It's either people with a vested interest in another code or pure ignorance that leads people to claim the code isn't fit for purpose.
If nightline can reap the benefits from eircode. So can any logistics company.

And for the FTAI to come out and say An Post get to use the geo directory for free and it's unfair is ridiculous! They built it. They own it. They created it from thier own resource and technology.

Sam Russell

ukoda wrote: »

And for the FTAI to come out and say An Post get to use the geo directory for free and it's unfair is ridiculous! They built it. They own it. They created it from thier own resource and technology.

... with a little help from the OSI. (Ordnance Survey Ireland)

They include the Loc8 service the council already uses to locate everything from buildings to individual street lamps.

Nothing to stop them from continuing to use Loc8 for this purpose, in fact Loc8 is perfect for this type of location based service

ukoda

Sam Russell wrote: »

... with a little help from the OSI. (Ordnance Survey Ireland)

So what.

Sam Russell

OSI are in receipt of some of the money paid out for Eircode - some going to An Post - that's what.

ukoda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nothing to stop them from continuing to use Loc8 for this purpose, in fact Loc8 is perfect for this type of location based service

True. Although they could use any of the other codes out there. Interestingly Google and some other big names are working on a globle location code service. Same idea as loc8, shorter way of writing geo codes.

These codes have a use. But not as a national postcode.

ukoda

Sam Russell wrote: »

OSI are in receipt of some of the money paid out for Eircode - some going to An Post - that's what.

No what's your point? They provided a service and are getting paid.

recedite

Deleted User wrote: »

Nothing to stop them from continuing to use Loc8 for this purpose, in fact Loc8 is perfect for this type of location based service

Use two separate systems going forward, because the new one endorsed by the state is not fit for purpose and cannot adequately replace the one they are currently using?

ukoda

recedite wrote: »

Use two separate systems going forward, because the new one endorsed by the state is not fit for purpose and cannot adequately replace the one they are currently using?

Apples and oranges

recedite

Oranges and orange juice.

Avada

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

wonder if there will be a 13 in the postcodes...

Well Dublin 13 already exists, so yes (although I'm not sure of the tone of your post )

dr.fuzzenstein

yuloni wrote: »

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We have long since desperately needed an excuse to jack up our prices for no good reason and here it is!

yuloni

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dr.fuzzenstein

yuloni wrote: »

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I thought that's what the article implied. unless I wrong that read. It's been a long week already...