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National Postcodes to be introduced

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    #5072
    yuloni
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    #5073
    Sam Russell
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    MBSnr wrote: »
    By what's the point now? It's happening - everyone posting here against it will achieve nothing.

    I am not opposed to many things, but I am opposed to stupid decisions.

    I thought that introducing the Luas using the non-Irish gauge was stupid, and continuing with that to suggest the Metro North project continue with it were not wise decisions. If they had stuck with the 1.6m gauge, then it would be possible to upgrade parts of the Luas line to Dart trains, or use existing lines for Luas trams. It was done to save a few shillings on rolling stock.

    I think building the Clongriffin-Airport spur is a good thing as it is cheap and could be built quickly. I am also in favour of MN and DU.

    Eircode was designed as it is to provide a revenue stream.


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    #5074
    MBSnr
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    yuloni wrote: »
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    Really - you put that forward as a reason not to have them? A comprehensive study of people's opinions that.... These are the people who post in the comments section, "Ah but sur the postman knows were me house is anyhows"...

    Completely missing the point of having a postcode that identifies the property. (Regardless of the format/randomness of the postcode which is another discussion entirely).


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    #5075
    MBSnr
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I am not opposed to many things, but I am opposed to stupid decisions.

    I thought that introducing the Luas using the non-Irish gauge was stupid, and continuing with that to suggest the Metro North project continue with it were not wise decisions. If they had stuck with the 1.6m gauge, then it would be possible to upgrade parts of the Luas line to Dart trains, or use existing lines for Luas trams. It was done to save a few shillings on rolling stock.

    I think building the Clongriffin-Airport spur is a good thing as it is cheap and could be built quickly. I am also in favour of MN and DU.

    Eircode was designed as it is to provide a revenue stream.

    Good for you.


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    #5076
    yuloni
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    #5077
    MBSnr
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    yuloni wrote: »
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    Fair enough, but you got them. Oppose away all you like. Just don't let me catch you sneakily entering one into your Sat Nav....... :D


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    #5078
    yuloni
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    #5079
    plodder
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    plodder wrote: »
    Does anyone know what happened to the legislation that was promised and was supposedly needed for this? Are they going ahead without it? Or did I miss it being enacted?
    Anyone know about this?


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    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    yuloni wrote: »
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    I seem to have missed your proposed solution that addressed all of everyone's concerns without any need to compromise in any way.
    yuloni wrote: »
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    Which is?


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    yuloni
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    oscarBravo
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    yuloni wrote: »
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    But you're confident that your preferred solution wouldn't require anyone to compromise in any way? It perfectly and flawlessly addresses every single requirement and concern that all parties could possibly reasonably expect of a postcode?


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    #5083
    MBSnr
    Registered Users Posts: 2,191 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    yuloni wrote: »
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    So if someone provides you with an Eircode so you can find their business or house, you'd ignore it and use your own solution? Likewise, if asked for your Eircode, would you leave it blank or use IE0001 instead?

    Seriously how far are you going to go with this? Seems extreme to me.


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    yuloni
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    #5085
    ukoda
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    yuloni wrote: »
    The answer is yes. It has been tried and tested in daily use in various sectors for over 5 years now. A powerful, tested and working coding system brings endless possibilities

    eircode on the other hand couldn't even meet the basic requirements laid out by the Government's own Postcode Working Group

    It doesn't have a database. It can't do address validation. It is completely independent of our national address. That's a MAJOR flaw of the code you are talking about. And yes you could add it to a database. But you are claiming it's perfect as is. It's not. And adding to a database would be crazy.


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    yuloni
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    recedite
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    ukoda wrote: »
    And adding to a database would be crazy.
    But adding a random number (I wouldn't even call it a code) to a database is not crazy??


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    #5088
    ukoda
    Registered Users Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭ukoda


    yuloni wrote: »
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    Who wants it?

    Banking industry
    Utilities
    Retailers
    Call centres
    Delivery companies (at least the ones with a clue)
    Insurance sector
    Online retailers

    The list is endless

    This is the problem I said earlier. People can't look beyond the fact that a postcode has to serve many purposes


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    ukoda
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    recedite wrote: »
    But adding a random number (I wouldn't even call it a code) to a database is not crazy??

    You'd end up with validated codes and user generated codes. Offical code v's a random one generated. It would be chaos.


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    yuloni
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    TheBustedFlush
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    But you're confident that your preferred solution wouldn't require anyone to compromise in any way? It perfectly and flawlessly addresses every single requirement and concern that all parties could possibly reasonably expect of a postcode?
    yuloni wrote: »
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    I simply don't believe this. There are plenty of shortcomings and arguments that would indicate otherwise.


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    ukoda
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    yuloni wrote: »
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    In your opinion. But my opinion is that loc8 can only serve one purpose and would not be a sufficient national postcode.


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    yuloni
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    MBSnr
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    yuloni wrote: »
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    I put in W8L-82-4YK in google maps on the PC....
    Loc8
    12 Central Square
    Liverpool L31 0AE
    United Kingdom

    I was expecting Co Cork...

    So I put in
    W8L824YK
    Co. Laois...

    What am I missing with the Google Maps integration?

    Be interesting to see if Eircode is integrated into Google maps in the browser. If it is I *wonder* which one I'll use?


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    yuloni
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    oscarBravo
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    yuloni wrote: »
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    Great! Can you explain how it gets around the problem of one address possibly having several valid postcodes?


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    #5097
    MBSnr
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    yuloni wrote: »
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    Neither for now eh? Loc8 has been out a while - yrs I think. Let's see if Eircode is integrated in to Google Maps.

    If so, which do you think might prove the more popular and widely used address location code?


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    yuloni
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    yuloni
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    oscarBravo
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    yuloni wrote: »
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    So a database of all the postal codes that could possibly match an address (leaving aside the fact that my garage is a separate polygon on OSI, and as such would have a different set of matching postcodes while still being at the same address) rather than a database of one postcode per address.

    Yeah, that sounds like a much more elegant solution.


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    plodder
    Registered Users Posts: 7,227 ✭✭✭plodder


    The other problem for loc8 et al, is individual codes for units in an apartment block. Though that requirement came out of left field, late in the day.


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