National Postcodes to be introduced

Sam Russell

We didn't learn anything new from Eircode Launch

That is the response of Autoaddress. Says it all really. Irish water are saying the same. and I am sure the proponents for eVoting said the same.

The design is centred on the needs of An Post who have said all along that they do not need a post code and that they will not use it. [Well, they might start using it if it becomes ubiquitous but that will take a long time].

Even the routing keys are rubbish because they are not contiguous. There are over 2,000 post towns according to Autoaddress, so why not give a routing code for each one?

It would appear to be a design that is designed to fail.

Edit see the route key for Abbeyfeale, Askeaton, Loughill

ukoda

Sam Russell wrote: »

That is the response of Autoaddress. Says it all really. Irish water are saying the same. and I am sure the proponents for eVoting said the same.

The design is centred on the needs of An Post who have said all along that they do not need a post code and that they will not use it. [Well, they might start using it if it becomes ubiquitous but that will take a long time].

Even the routing keys are rubbish because they are not contiguous. There are over 2,000 post towns according to Autoaddress, so why not give a routing code for each one?

It would appear to be a design that is designed to fail.

You're being misleading quoting that. They said they didn't learn anything that they weren't already expecting. They listed all the lessons learned from the launch and basically said it wasn't unexpected to get the reaction it did.

Fred Swanson

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ukoda

Fred Swanson wrote: »

What is Autoaddress's vested interest here?

Auto address = ericode


Read their website. They designed eircode as part of the capita consortium

marmurr1916

plodder wrote: »

That's not a complete list.

It is now - only 2 days after official launch.

http://www.ossiansmyth.ie/eircode-routing-keys/

Routing Key Areas Map for the north-east:

ukoda

marmurr1916 wrote: »

It is now - only 2 days after official launch.

http://www.ossiansmyth.ie/eircode-routing-keys/

Routing Key Areas Map for the north-east:

See here for a full map of Ireland and the routing keys overlaid

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=zrmXDfjvem7g.k2eSAnvagEdQ

G_R

I think page 15 of this pdf shows just how advanced a system this is:

https://www.eircode.ie/images/PrepareYourBusinessForEircode-Edition3Published.pdf

If only they could effectively get the message out there that they didn't just throw scrabble letters at a map and see where they fall - a lot of thought has gone into this!

ukoda

http://www.gamma.ie/blog/feargal-oneill/2015/07/15/eircodes-%E2%80%93-fiasco-hardly-6-reasons-why



Pretty comprehensive defence of eircode here from Gamma, they seem to be tweeting this link all over Twitter in defence of eircode, I guess someone had to do a bit of damage control

formerly scottish paddy

ukoda wrote: »

http://www.gamma.ie/blog/feargal-oneill/2015/07/15/eircodes-%E2%80%93-fiasco-hardly-6-reasons-why

Pretty comprehensive defence of eircode here from Gamma, they seem to be tweeting this link all over Twitter in defence of eircode, I guess someone had to do a bit of damage control

Some pretty convincing arguments there as opposed to the spurious scare stories we have had over the last few days.

ukoda

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

Some pretty convincing arguments there as opposed to the spurious scare stories we have had over the last few days.

There's a very definite tide turn on Twitter, seems a lot of people are now calling bull**** on all the stories, loc8 are getting challenged a lot now on their claims.

Plus, I see a huge amount of businesses tweeting thier eircodes

Sam Russell

If there was a lot less secrecy before the launch, and a lot more information about the design philosophy behind Eircode, then a lot of negative reactions would have been avoided.

For example, if they got people to check their addresses on line many months before they attached an Eircode to it, this idea that Shannon had moved to Limerick would have been avoided or at least Eircode would not have got the blame. If they had a lot of aliases for addresses, allow people to choose their preferred one.

Also attaching VIA before the post town would also render much of this critism moot.

Why do these agencies always try to work as is they were in the secret service?

marmurr1916

ukoda wrote: »

See here for a full map of Ireland and the routing keys overlaid

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=zrmXDfjvem7g.k2eSAnvagEdQ

Rathcormac in Co. Cork is shown as P67, but it should be P61.

Fermoy is the control post town for Rathcormac.

moyners

marmurr1916 wrote: »

Rathcormac in Co. Cork is shown as P67, but it should be P61.

Fermoy is the control post town for Rathcormac.

Probably just a mistake - I'm sure the author will change it if you point it out to him.

moyners

ukoda wrote: »

http://www.gamma.ie/blog/feargal-oneill/2015/07/15/eircodes-%E2%80%93-fiasco-hardly-6-reasons-why



Pretty comprehensive defence of eircode here from Gamma, they seem to be tweeting this link all over Twitter in defence of eircode, I guess someone had to do a bit of damage control

Is it possible that eircode doesn't own the eircode twitter handle? Perhaps they've got a squatter on it.

Trouwe Ier

The experiment has been a success!

davidrbarrett retweeted
MartyMtweets 10:07am via Twitter for iPhone
Well well well.. Look who came back! Posted Monday, using #Eircode only. Back Weds. It works!! @radionova100 #MGNOVA

4 retweets 4 favorites

Sam Russell

Trouwe Ier wrote: »

The experiment has been a success!

davidrbarrett retweeted
MartyMtweets 10:07am via Twitter for iPhone
Well well well.. Look who came back! Posted Monday, using #Eircode only. Back Weds. It works!! @radionova100 #MGNOVA

4 retweets 4 favorites

So not next day delivery then!

There's progress for you.

Schadenfreudia

Sam Russell wrote: »

So not next day delivery then!

There's progress for you.

It's like cars in the old days - you need to break them in slowly, so as not to ruin the engine.....

moyners

Sam Russell wrote: »

So not next day delivery then!

There's progress for you.

Depends what time he posted it, if it went into the postbox on Monday evening it wouldn't have been collected till Tuesday

ukoda

Trouwe Ier wrote: »

The experiment has been a success!

davidrbarrett retweeted
MartyMtweets 10:07am via Twitter for iPhone
Well well well.. Look who came back! Posted Monday, using #Eircode only. Back Weds. It works!! @radionova100 #MGNOVA

4 retweets 4 favorites

So that proves that eircode is fully integrated with An Posts systems.

So another loc8code lie exposed, they claim all over Twitter that "an post won't use it"

Seth Brundle

ukoda wrote: »

So that proves that eircode is fully integrated with An Posts systems.

So another loc8code lie exposed, they claim all over Twitter that "an post won't use it"

it's a conspiracy IMO - whoever heard of a postal service using post codes?

ukoda

ukoda wrote: »

So that proves that eircode is fully integrated with An Posts systems.

So another loc8code lie exposed, they claim all over Twitter that "an post won't use it"

@getlosteircodes tried to say the postman most likely knows the person anyway so they ignored the ericode. Only thing is.....the name was made up they replied "I stand corrected" I hope they have a keyboard shortcut for that phrase as they may have to use it a lot

Same guy doing another test with just an ericode on it.

Sam Russell

ukoda wrote: »

So that proves that eircode is fully integrated with An Posts systems.

So another loc8code lie exposed, they claim all over Twitter that "an post won't use it"

Not necessarily at all. Perhaps a postie (We will always try to deliver all post, no matter how badly addressed it is) tried his best and went to the Eircode website on his pocket computer (standard issue since Monday), typed in the Eircode and got the preferred address, even if it was in the wrong county, and delivered it.

Well done, postie!

ukoda

Sam Russell wrote: »

Not necessarily at all. Perhaps a postie (We will always try to deliver all post, no matter how badly addressed it is) tried his best and went to the Eircode website on his pocket computer (standard issue since Monday), typed in the Eircode and got the preferred address, even if it was in the wrong county, and delivered it.

Well done, postie!

So that would be An Post using eircode. Hmmm I thought they weren't according to some folk. I thought it was of no use to the postman? Hmm

Sam Russell

ukoda wrote: »

So that would be An Post using eircode. Hmmm I thought they weren't according to some folk. I thought it was of no use to the postman? Hmm

Re-read the post. It could be a postie using his initiative and not An Post using the Eircode.

There is a difference.

ukoda

Sam Russell wrote: »

Re-read the post. It could be a postie using his initiative and not An Post using the Eircode.

There is a difference.

One of 2 things happened.

An Posts systems were able to deliver a letter with just a name and eircode = eircode is used by An Post

Or

Postman was able to use eircode to deliver the letter = eircode is useful to postmen.


Both were claimed to be lies. I suspect neither are. In fact this proves neither are true.

moyners

ukoda wrote: »

One of 2 things happened.

An Posts systems were able to deliver a letter with just a name and eircode = eircode is used by An Post

Or

Postman was able to use eircode to deliver the letter = eircode is useful to postmen.


Both were claimed to be lies. I suspect neither are. In fact this proves neither are true.

Over the last couple of days Eircode, in response to people complaining about the 'wrong county' being listed, have said to keep using whatever address they want and just add the Eircode. An Post may have to use it despite not really wanting to, if people feel like they can throw any old address down.

ukoda

moyners wrote: »

Over the last couple of days Eircode, in response to people complaining about the 'wrong county' being listed, have said to keep using whatever address they want and just add the Eircode. An Post may have to use it despite not really wanting to, if people feel like they can throw any old address down.

Bear in mind the head of operations in An Post has gone on the record to say that their systems were upgraded last year and in anticipation of eircodes launch, they have a system built that fully supports it. Of course loc8 and others choose to ignore this or call the man a liar.

noelfirl

https://twitter.com/GetLostEircodes/status/621333239643418624

Get Lost Eircodes ‏@GetLostEircodes 10m10 minutes ago
@loc8code is the stoat in video link. Fit for purpose & agile @Eircode is the rabbit bloated, slow & eventually dead
https://goo.gl/OpW28c

If Loc8 have anything to do with the above twitter account, they're in serious need of doing a bit of self-reflection, and, dare I say, growing up.

Alun

noelfirl wrote: »

If Loc8 have anything to do with the above twitter account, they're in serious need of doing a bit of self-reflection, and, dare I say, growing up.

The domain getlosteircodes.com appears to be registered to ...

Admin Name: getlosteircodes.com c/o WHOIS Privacy Ltd.
Admin Organization: getlosteircodes.com c/o WHOIS Privacy Ltd.
Admin Street: Unit 12A, Barrowside Business Park
Admin Street: Sleaty Road
Admin City: Graiguecullen
Admin State/Province: Co. Carlow
Admin Postal Code: -
Admin Country: IE
Admin Phone: +353.599183072
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin Fax: +353.14811763
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: @whoisprivacy.ie

whoisprivacy.ie / Whois Privacy Limited appears to be some kind of front for people wanting to register domains without giving away any personal information and supported by their hoster, Blacknight. https://www.blacknight.com/whois-privacy.html so we'll never know who really is behind getlosteircodes.com although it's not that hard to guess.

OU812

noelfirl wrote: »

If Loc8 have anything to do with the above twitter account, they're in serious need of doing a bit of self-reflection, and, dare I say, growing up.

I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that it's being run by them. I've seen some the stuff they've done before and it was amateurish & foolish. The best marketing exercise they ever did was the street name plates, but I suspect Garmin had something to do with that.

Example 1: https://www.facebook.com/events/237259286462682/
Example 2: https://www.facebook.com/events/564276920290718/

I've personally no time for Loc8 or the guy who runs it, he used to be on this thread until he was banned (probably back under another name). I've bought the Loc8 app & found it a pain to deal with. however since Monday I've used eircode a lot, and have since added it to the home page of my iPhone. It actually works really well with apple maps for directions.