National Postcodes to be introduced

Sponge Bob · 25-09-2011 11:23pm

Lord no, I never use Satnavs ...I simply memorise maps me.

It was commercially released in the sense that it was supported on certain Garmins what was not free product and you pimped it royally on your website. And please do not threaten the Internet Archive with legal action .....m'kays. Won't work. :cool:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080904094423/http://www.irishpostcodes.ie/

You can use this Website to :

Create and Save a PON Code or "PONC" for any Location
Share it verbally or on Your E-mail or Website
View an existing PON Code or "PONC" on an internet map
Create a PONC for use on Garmin Nuvi 7xx Series SatNav's

garydubh · 25-09-2011 11:36pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Lord no, I never use Satnavs ...I simply memorise maps me.

It was commercially released in the sense that it was supported on certain Garmins what was not free product and you pimped it royally on your website. And please do not threaten the Internet Archive with legal action .....m'kays. Won't work. :cool:

Could not open that link but as I said it was not commercially released or sold;- it was available for downloading for beta testing and feedback purposes and it was that feedback and testing from the many at the time that lead to the current Loc8 Codes!

Real world testing was an important part of the Loc8 code evolution !

Sponge Bob · 25-09-2011 11:40pm

Ah no, it works all right.

Now, what does somebody with one of these:

Garmin Nuvi 7xx Series SatNav's

Bought for PONC at yoru urging and now wants to use Use Loc8 ???

As long as there is an upgrade path/ backward compatibility there should be no problem.

Describe the upgrade path/backward compatibility for Garmin Nuvi 7xx Series SatNav users please.

ta.

garydubh · 25-09-2011 11:46pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Ah no, it works all right.

Now, what does somebody with one of these:

Garmin Nuvi 7xx Series SatNav's

Bought for PONC at yoru urging and now wants to use Use Loc8 ???

As long as there is an upgrade path/ backward compatibility there should be no problem.

Describe the upgrade path/backward compatibility for Garmin Nuvi 7xx Series SatNav users please.

ta.

so you have a Garmin Nuvi 7xx series satnav then do you?

Sponge Bob · 25-09-2011 11:49pm

I explained I don't use those things, but many do and many bought a Garmin Nuvi 7xx Series SatNav.

But you do as you beta tested on it.

Now Answer the questions on backward compatibility please.

thirty-six dragons · 26-09-2011 12:00am

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I explained I don't use those things, but many do and many bought a Garmin Nuvi 7xx Series SatNav.

But you do as you beta tested on it.

Now Answer the questions on backward compatibility please.

Stop it! He doesn't have to answer any questions about things - especially things unrelated to the title of this thread.

It makes perfect sense that a beta code moves on to another. It is perhaps a problem with closed-source codes that conversion isn't straightforward but come on - this not that big a deal. You can't be badgering a fella here.

garydubh · 26-09-2011 12:03am

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I explained I don't use those things, but many do and many bought a Garmin Nuvi 7xx Series SatNav.

But you do as you beta tested on it.
Now Answer the questions on backward compatibility please.

I would suspect that anyone with 7XX series units looking for Loc8 Codes have already been in touch with either Loc8 or Garmin.

The 7xx series satnavs are all now discontinued by Garmin.

Sponge Bob · 26-09-2011 12:04am

iantheteacher wrote: »

You can't be badgering a fella here.

I'll raise you a Hare and a Rabid Stoat if you don't shuddup so I will. :cool:

Let him explain how all them poor eejits that bought a Garmin Nuvi and generated codes as encouraged by him can 'leverage their investment' with an upgrade.

Sponge Bob · 26-09-2011 12:20am

garydubh wrote: »

I would suspect that anyone with 7XX series units looking for Loc8 Codes have already been in touch with either Loc8 or Garmin.

The 7xx series satnavs are all now discontinued by Garmin.

The 7xx was sold with PON or PONC compatibility.

Answer the following 3 questions please.

1. Did you release a LOC8 FIX for Garmin navi 7xx series satnav units or do the owners have a useless brick since you completely dropped PON or PONC code in favour of this LOC8 thing. ??!!

2. How can we be sure you won't do the same thing when Garmin upgrade from their current version x4xx units ???

3. It was called PON or PONC in 2008 and 2009 and 2010 It is called LOC8 now. What will you call it in 2013 and WILL YOU GUARANTEE backward compatibility with LOC8 from 2013 onwards. ??

garydubh · 26-09-2011 12:23am

iantheteacher wrote: »

Stop it! He doesn't have to answer any questions about things - especially things unrelated to the title of this thread. .

au contrair Ian - I have gone into a lot of detail here in the past few hours and whats more I have highlighted the full detail on line - if you chose not to consider it that's fine!

so remind me do you or dont you support ITM coordinates and what is the accurcay and datum of the Lat/longs that you turn into +/2.7 m accuracy codes and how can a service supporting open sourced Lat/longs with know known pedigree guarantee this? What accuracy is achieved offshore North/South/East/West?

Is the opencode an alphanumeric code or is it all numeric or is it all alpha?

Sponge Bob · 26-09-2011 12:29am

This thread increasingly reads like an experiment conducted by the Yale University Comparative Cognition Lab and with me in charge of it.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/90920

“On a lark, we started investigating whether or not we could introduce them to a basic market economy,” Chen recalls. “I’m not even sure we had a good idea of how it would work. But if we could, I knew there were a dozen experiments that people in the economics world would be interested in.”

At this point, Chen was already something of a curiosity—the only economist in the world who did research on monkeys. “It’s totally bizarre,” he admits. “But I always worked on what I thought was most interesting.” And what was most interesting was seeing if capuchin monkeys could be taught to spend money.

thirty-six dragons · 26-09-2011 12:40am

I'm going to bed

I support nothing. I wrote an algorithm. Of course the algorithm can be applied to ITM and any coordinate data. All the accuracy calculations are available at

http://sites.google.com/site/openpostcode/calculations/precision

The accuracy is guaranteed by its definition and open algorithm - the maths is all testable and provable.

The spreadsheet is available here: https://spreadsheets4.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?hl=en_GB&hl=en_GB&key=0AiBGO0bjC-vidG1OTG9RU2JGeTBaN0wzNnVyZ2pveVE&output=xls

The definition of the format is at:

https://sites.google.com/site/openpostcode/calculations/technical-specifi

garydubh · 26-09-2011 12:42am

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The 7xx was sold with PON or PONC compatibility.

Answer the following 3 questions please.

1. Did you release a LOC8 FIX for Garmin navi 7xx series satnav units or do the owners have a useless brick since you completely dropped PON or PONC code in favour of this LOC8 thing. ??!!

2. How can we be sure you won't do the same thing when Garmin upgrade from their current version x4xx units ???

3. It was called PON or PONC in 2008 and 2009 and 2010 It is called LOC8 now. What will you call it in 2013 and WILL YOU GUARANTEE backward compatibility with LOC8 from 2013 onwards. ??

Ah I see where you are coming from:

1. Loc8 (or previously GPS Ireland) does not produce solutions for Garmin devices - Garmin licenses the Loc8 Code capability and delivers it into its own software.

2. As Loc8 Code is in full relaese and commercailly released by Garmin - Loc8 will be supported on supported devices for their full lifetime.

3. PON Codes were only ever beta test as clearly indicated at the time - they were never commercailly released on the 7XX devices and those who applied them were very much aware that they were a limited beta release for testing only.

Loc8 is now full release and a commercially delivered Location code product and the Garmin devices it is supported on are chosen by Garmin themselves with details on Garmin's and Loc8's website and will be fully supported in each case till end of life. Furthermore, Garmin's new range for release shortly will also support Loc8 Codes but full details to come soon.

With respect to the point8 app relaesed by one touch solutions, they will continue to support the application for relevant devices till end of life.

Anyone with related support queries feel free to contact support@loc8code.com

garydubh · 26-09-2011 12:46am

iantheteacher wrote: »

you're a nutter.

same kind of argument you have delivered all day - no answers just unsubstantiated claims and insult - says it all really - sorry your unchallenged reign on boards.ie ended today!

thirty-six dragons · 26-09-2011 12:51am

I answered your questions darling; just time you stopped talking and we all went to sleep. I described you as a nutter because your response to my defense of you and ordinary decency was to attack again and constantly repeat the same wrong issues.

garydubh · 26-09-2011 12:58am

iantheteacher wrote: »

I answered your questions darling; just time you stopped talking and we all went to sleep. I described you as a nutter because your response to my defense of you and ordinary decency was to attack again and constantly repeat the same wrong issues.

Sleep well - issues will be the same tomorrow!

Sponge Bob · 26-09-2011 1:02am

garydubh wrote: »

Sleep well - issues will be the same tomorrow!

No upgrade path from PON / PONC to LOC8 for Garmin 7xx devices you mean.

Sponge Bob · 26-09-2011 1:05am

garydubh wrote: »

2. As Loc8 Code is in full relaese and commercailly released by Garmin - Loc8 will be supported on supported devices for their full lifetime.

Which lifetime, LOC8 or current Garmin models.

Then.....what ????

SPDUB · 26-09-2011 5:32pm

garydubh wrote: »

same kind of argument you have delivered all day - no answers just unsubstantiated claims and insult - says it all really - sorry your unchallenged reign on boards.ie ended today!

Plenty of evidence on wikipedia

dubhthach · 26-09-2011 7:09pm

SPDUB wrote: »

Plenty of evidence on wikipedia

Mod

SPDUB, personal attacks on another poster won't be tolerated. I don't see any evidence on wikipedia that GaryDubh was banned. Even if he was it's not relevant to this forum. Attack the post not the poster.

SPDUB · 26-09-2011 9:07pm

dubhthach wrote: »

Mod

SPDUB, personal attacks on another poster won't be tolerated. I don't see any evidence on wikipedia that GaryDubh was banned. Even if he was it's not relevant to this forum. Attack the post not the poster.

iantheteacher wrote: »

I'm going to bed - you're a nutter.

That's not a personal attack ?

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Maybe it was the distraction caused by the Spat with Openstreetmap ......as well as the one with the Wikipedia....

How pointing out that a poster has "issues" on other forums and , I only mentioned one of those forums , when those "issues" appear to be arising here isn't relevant I am puzzled

thirty-six dragons · 26-09-2011 10:06pm

You're right - calling the black-gary a nutter was wrong. I apologise. The word nutter was however chosen by me to be jovial rather than insulting and was based on the lateness of the hour, no more.

dubhthach · 27-09-2011 7:51am

SPDUB wrote: »

That's not a personal attack ?

How pointing out that a poster has "issues" on other forums and , I only mentioned one of those forums , when those "issues" appear to be arising here isn't relevant I am puzzled

If you got a problem with posts hit the "Report Post" button, as it's a thread I'm not following I can't see every little item.

spacetweek · 27-09-2011 10:58am

Lads forget about compatibility with Satnavs, those are being replaced with phones anyway. My iPhone craps all over my Garmin Nuvi for navigation.

Sponge Bob · 27-09-2011 11:52am

spacetweek wrote: »

Lads forget about compatibility with Satnavs, those are being replaced with phones anyway. My iPhone craps all over my Garmin Nuvi for navigation.

True, and I use Open Streetmap for urban navigation and Yahoo for rural navigation on my Android phone anyway and it works very well.

LordSutch · 20-12-2011 12:03pm

Well, here we are coming to the end of another year . . . .

No Postcodes yet :cool:

LeinsterDub · 20-12-2011 12:24pm

LordSutch wrote: »

Well, here we are coming to the end of another year . . . .

No Postcodes yet :cool:

Tender got lost in the post on the way to the DoE?

Solair · 20-12-2011 3:17pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Lads forget about compatibility with Satnavs, those are being replaced with phones anyway. My iPhone craps all over my Garmin Nuvi for navigation.

It doesn't really matter what type of device it is, dedicated SatNav, Mobile Phone, iPad, GPS or even Galileo, you will still need some way of entering the address in a sensible way to find anything.

garydubh · 21-12-2011 7:50pm

LordSutch wrote: »

Well, here we are coming to the end of another year . . . .

No Postcodes yet :cool:

That's no surprise really..........

sure for God sake - there is nothing but talk by DCENR and Government regarding postcodes since 2005 - in the meantime a working system has already been delivered in Loc8 Code...

some talk - others just do!

Carawaystick · 22-12-2011 2:06am

garydubh wrote: »

That's no surprise really..........

sure for God sake - there is nothing but talk by DCENR and Government regarding postcodes since 2005 - in the meantime a working system has already been delivered in Loc8 Code...

some talk - others just do!

Apart from loc8 codes not working for all addresses. Still

If Loc8 codes don't have a database of all addresses then it's useless.
a 7 character(1letter,6number) code will identify a 100m^2 area without coding, a 9 character grid reference will identify a 10m^2 area.
If I have to navigate on a website to find out my own address for loc8 codes, sher what's the point? Still

National Postcodes to be introduced

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