National Postcodes to be introduced

Jack180570

ben101 wrote: »

I think you have a point,its just not news at the moment.As it comes nearer to the introduction date the media will scrutinize it more and if there is anything untoward there it will all come out then.

Hopefully, then again it appears that the politicians, 'consultants' and apologists involved in the poctcode debacle have necks like a jockeys bo***x and as much moral fiber as a glass of water. Smarmy lowlife imho.

Delphic

The conduction is air-free

Delphic

Apparently, the development of postal codes came about when postal delivery grew more complicated as populations grew and the built environment became more complex. This process occurred first in large cities. The nucleus of a postal code idea thus began with postal district numbers within large cities.

Delphic

Modern postal codes were first introduced in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in December 1932, then Germany in 1941,followed by Argentina in 1958, the UK in 1959, and the United States in 1963.

Delphic

Most postal code systems are numeral-based - a few are alphanumeric. Alphanumeric systems can encode many more locations.

In the UK, for domestic properties the postcode refers to up to 100 properties in contiguous proximity The postcode plus the number or name of a property is not always unique, particularly in rural areas.

recedite

Delphic wrote: »

Anyways, this is my last post on this topic. Thanks for discussion.

:D:D

Carawaystick

SpaceTime wrote: »

It is a little weird though as you've often no idea that somewhere like say

123 rue madeup
Neuilly-sur-Seine 92200

is actually in Paris.

Except somewhere in dept 92 is not in Paris, which is dept 75
And would have the arrondissement number as the 3rd&4th digits

And an arrondissement is sorta like a suburb name as we'd use them here...

SpaceTime

Yeah but it would be like

Unit 999 The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown 89700

Or

13 Any Street,
Douglas
56800

Without knowing the codes it gives you no sense that these places are next to Dublin, Cork etc

That happens a lot in France where what are most definitely suburbs look like completely different places.

recedite

Curly Judge wrote: »

Watching Brian Conlan being excoriated [ quite rightly] at the PAC for sitting in at a meeting [to select a new CEO] where he was selected as CEO of the CRC, I got to thinking: How is that different from a guy sitting on a committee to advise the government on how to bring in postal codes and then getting his company selected for the same job?

Have you noticed that whenever anyone makes a comment like this, the thread is immediately bombarded with a series of irrelevent posts (eg rugby scores, misc. extracts from wikipedia and the like) until the offending post is buried in a deluge of vacuous nonsense?

recedite

recedite wrote: »

Have you noticed that whenever anyone makes a comment like this, the thread is immediately bombarded with a series of irrelevent posts (eg rugby scores, misc. extracts from wikipedia and the like) until the offending post is buried in a deluge of vacuous nonsense?

If you think that a post is seriously OT then report it and let the mods sort it.

Froststop

recedite wrote: »

Have you noticed that whenever anyone makes a comment like this, the thread is immediately bombarded with a series of irrelevent posts (eg rugby scores, misc. extracts from wikipedia and the like) until the offending post is buried in a deluge of vacuous nonsense?

I think that's called "Media Censorship" to hide the actual truth about the related Topic!

a65b2cd

SpaceTime wrote: »

Yeah but it would be like

Unit 999 The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown 89700

Existing address formats will remain so it will look like your current address with the post district code and four more characters:

Unit 999 The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown
Dublin 15
D15W2BU

Curly Judge

a65b2cd wrote: »

Existing address formats will remain so it will look like your current address with the post district code and four more characters:

Unit 999 The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown
Dublin 15
D15W2BU

Any harm to ask what address the next door neighbor will have, based on this formula?

a65b2cd

Curly Judge wrote: »

Any harm to ask what address the next door neighbor will have, based on this formula?

Unit 998 The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown
Dublin 15
D15????

what ???? is will be an interesting answer when we are told.

Delphic

Curly Judge wrote: »

Any harm to ask what address the next door neighbor will have, based on this formula?

Presumably either
Unit 998 0r 1000
The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown
Dublin 15
D15 32BX8

Unless it's odd-numbers on one side, in which case:

Unit 1001
The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown
Dublin 15
D15 W2C9J

recedite

Delphic wrote: »

Presumably either
Unit 998 0r 1000

I think you may have missed the point earlier about the lack of "concatenation" in these reference numbers. For example, if a mews house gets built between 998 and 999 it would have to be allocated a random number based on the chronological order of allocating the newest numbers. It would be sequential to a another mews house of the same age, but built miles away.

You get this with MPRN numbers attached to properties. Some neighbours in an estate may have MPRN numbers in sequence, but only because they happened to be first registered in that particular order.

This "code" is just a random reference number, which may be used by a computer to look up a controlled database, which would contain the real co-ordinates of the location. Its not a real code at all.
Unlike a loc8 code which contains the actual co-ordinates within the code, and also has the adjacent areas in a grid sequenced.

zg3409

State Database revamp for new postcodes to cost 5 million

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/state-database-revamp-for-new-postcodes-to-cost-5m-29938555.html

Curly Judge

Delphic wrote: »

Presumably either
Unit 998 0r 1000
The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown
Dublin 15
D15 32BX8

Unless it's odd-numbers on one side, in which case:

Unit 1001
The Rectangle,
Blanchardstown
Dublin 15
D15 W2C9J

To be quite frank, that kind of code is about as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition!

Delphic

recedite wrote: »

I think you may have missed the point earlier about the lack of "concatenation" in these reference numbers. For example, if a mews house gets built between 998 and 999 it would have to be allocated a random number based on the chronological order of allocating the newest numbers. It would be sequential to a another mews house of the same age, but built miles away.

Ok, and presumably random assignment would have advantages too in avoiding potential confusion between two houses in the same street with very similar codes.

Delphic

Curly Judge wrote: »

To be quite frank, that kind of code is about as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition!

Unsurprising - and it has 8 characters too which is a further problem.

Curly Judge

Delphic wrote: »

Unsurprising - and it has 8 characters too which is a further problem.

Delphic indeed, but only in relation to obscurity.:)

recedite

zg3409 wrote: »

State Database revamp for new postcodes to cost 5 million

Another €5M of taxpayers money down the toilet. I wonder who has spent more on consultants so far, Irish Water or Irish Postcodes?

Delphic wrote: »

Ok, and presumably random assignment would have advantages too in avoiding potential confusion between two houses in the same street with very similar codes.

A bit like that guy at the Nelson Mandela funeral doing his random sign language to "help" the deaf people.
No, the only person being "helped" by random nonsense is the guy who is being paid to produce it.

Delphic

recedite wrote: »

I wonder who has spent more on consultants so far, Irish Water or Irish Postcodes?

Good question - did you know that Irish Postcodes.ie directly jumps to myloc8ion.ie?

Del2005

Curly Judge wrote: »

To be quite frank, that kind of code is about as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking competition!

The code is being rolled out to aid deliveries and to reduce the cost to the government in providing services. It is being designed with modern technology in mind so doesn't need to be sequential. The first few lines of the address is for old timers, the code is for the majority of people who have embraced technology.

yuloni

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ben101

Condi wrote: »

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I think what he means by "unique circumstances" is that Loc8 and An Post haven't got anyone in one of FG's or Labours cozy cartels.

recedite

Before anything new happens in Ireland, millions must be spent on consultants, and years spent dithering. The political lobbyists must have their opportunity to do their work and earn their commission. Jobs must be allocated to the boys. Politicians must be allowed to take the credit.
A system that already works fulfills none of these requirements.

Delphic

recedite wrote: »

Before anything new happens in Ireland, millions must be spent on consultants, and years spent dithering. The political lobbyists must have their opportunity to do their work and earn their commission. Jobs must be allocated to the boys. Politicians must be allowed to take the credit.
A system that already works fulfills none of these requirements.

So why didn't this system that supposedly already works tender for the national postcode system?

recedite

I'm not sure. Wasn't there some restriction put into the tender such that only companies above a certain size could apply?