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List of those voting on either side?

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  • 20-09-2009 11:06pm
    #1
    Dave!
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    Hey folks,

    Just wondering if anyone has, or wants to compile :), a list of advocates on each side of the debate?

    I'm talking about well-known public individuals (eg. Vincent Browne, David McWilliams, Eddie Hobbs, etc.), as well as lobby groups, businesses, political parties and trade unions (eg. Libertas, Sinn Féin, Microsoft, Cóir, etc.).

    I'd just be interested in seeing who's on each side :)

    Cheers........


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    meglome
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    It's going to be a very one sided list.

    Yes... Fine Gael, Labour, Fianna Fail, Greens, most unions, most media, IBEC etc etc etc.
    No... Sinn Fein, Socialists, some random nutjobs.


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    ei.sdraob
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    actually i was thinking of starting a thread like that

    but with links to any policies on Lisbon so people can go and read themselves what each organisation/party makes of it (unfortunately there are exceptions, since some clowns like Libertas dont have policies)

    oh and better name would be "List of parties/organisations campaigning in Lisbon II"

    i think naming individuals might not be a good idea either


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    Rabble
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    On the No Side - Fringe Nutters & Nazis
    On the Yes Side - Smug Corrupt Establishment pr**ks

    Mature Democracy is great isnt it.

    Still its better than the alternative ... what ever that is!


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    Euro_Kraut
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    Hi Dave,

    This might be helpful:http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty/30324-list-yes-no-organisations.html

    It would be interseting to have our own list and add individuals to the groups.


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    turgon
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    Note carefully how the Politics.ie No list contains the two groups in Euro Parl advocating No, yet the poster fails to include the (5 or 6?) groups in Euro Parl advocating Yes in the Yes list.


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    Hitman Actual
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    turgon wrote: »
    Note carefully how the Politics.ie No list contains the two groups in Euro Parl advocating No, yet the poster fails to include the (5 or 6?) groups in Euro Parl advocating Yes in the Yes list.

    Yes, but isn't the person who started the thread (ibis) very pro-Lisbon? He's one of the few posters worth listening to over there at any rate.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    meglome wrote: »
    It's going to be a very one sided list.

    Yes... Fine Gael, Labour, Fianna Fail, Greens, most unions, most media, IBEC etc etc etc.
    No... Sinn Fein, Socialists, some random nutjobs.
    Your condescending comment only add fuel to the fire for the NO campaign, thanks. :p


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    Rb
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Your condescending comment only add fuel to the fire for the NO campaign, thanks. :p
    The fire of lies?

    Your signature is hilarious yet deeply disturbing. I feel for you if that is the sort of crap you truly believe.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    Rb wrote: »
    The fire of lies?

    Your signature is hilarious yet deeply disturbing. I feel for you if that is the sort of crap you truly believe.
    Most if not all fundamentalist protestant churches strongly oppose the European Constitution outright. The Catholic Church is split down the middle on the issue. No amount of propaganda will change these minds. Same goes for those with nationalist values that strongly oppose an undemocratic society controlled from outside the state. I was not at all surprised to see YES campaign posters removed from whole districts around Limerick, Tralee and Dublin.


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    P. Breathnach
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    ... The Catholic Church is split down the middle on the issue...

    That's a big claim. How did you arrive at that judgement?
    ... Same goes for those with nationalist values that strongly oppose an undemocratic society controlled from outside the state. I was not at all surprised to see YES campaign posters removed from whole districts around Limerick, Tralee and Dublin.

    Are you saying that this was the action of nationalists who support democracy?


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    Rb
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Most if not all fundamentalist protestant churches strongly oppose the European Constitution outright. The Catholic Church is split down the middle on the issue. No amount of propaganda will change these minds. Same goes for those with nationalist values that strongly oppose an undemocratic society controlled from outside the state. I was not at all surprised to see YES campaign posters removed from whole districts around Limerick, Tralee and Dublin.
    I say your signature is full of disturbing crap and you reply with more crazy crap?

    And you accuse Yes campaigners of adding fuel to the fire?! Lol.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    That's a big claim. How did you arrive at that judgement?
    Liberal Catholics wouldn't care if the treaty is passed or not however fundamentalist Catholics believe Abortion, euthanasia and deterioration of moral values will creep into the country.
    P. Breathnach wrote: »
    Are you saying that this was the action of nationalists who support democracy?
    I don't know who was responsible for ripping down posters, however it just gives you an idea of the general mood in these areas.


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    oscarBravo
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    ...fundamentalist Catholics believe Abortion, euthanasia and deterioration of moral values will creep into the country. I don't know who was responsible for ripping down posters, however it just gives you an idea of the general mood in these areas.
    These "fundamentalist Catholics" don't, it seems, include the actual Catholic hierarchy itself. Make of that what you will.


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    Run_to_da_hills
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    These "fundamentalist Catholics" don't, it seems, include the actual Catholic hierarchy itself. Make of that what you will.
    The same hierarchy that have been molesting kids for generations. :rolleyes: (Couldn't resist :D)


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    sceptre
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The same hierarchy that have been molesting kids for generations. :rolleyes: (Couldn't resist :D)
    I rather doubt that it was church policy.

    Where were we? Oh yes, fundamentalist loonies.


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    oscarBravo
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    The same hierarchy that have been molesting kids for generations. :rolleyes: (Couldn't resist :D)
    Maybe you should try harder. Or did you have an actual point?


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    Scofflaw
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    These "fundamentalist Catholics" don't, it seems, include the actual Catholic hierarchy itself. Make of that what you will.

    I'm afraid I'm entirely familiar with how these arguments go from the Religion forum. RTDH's definition of a ''real Catholic'" is one who objects to the same things he objects to - Catholics who don't aren't "real Catholics". Further, "split down the middle" of Catholicism isn't a numerical reference, because the "real Catholics" are all on one side, so the numbers don't matter.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,804 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    I'm afraid I'm entirely familiar with how these arguments go from the Religion forum. RTDH's definition of a ''real Catholic'" is one who objects to the same things he objects to - Catholics who don't aren't "real Catholics". Further, "split down the middle" of Catholicism isn't a numerical reference, because the "real Catholics" are all on one side, so the numbers don't matter.
    Meh. If they were serious about it they'd have a schism, and get themselves a new pope. Somewhere other than Rome, of course. I hear Avignon's nice this time of year...


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    Sam Vimes
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    Scofflaw wrote: »
    I'm afraid I'm entirely familiar with how these arguments go from the Religion forum. RTDH's definition of a ''real Catholic'" is one who objects to the same things he objects to - Catholics who don't aren't "real Catholics". Further, "split down the middle" of Catholicism isn't a numerical reference, because the "real Catholics" are all on one side, so the numbers don't matter.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Ah the good old No true Scotsman fallacy


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