Union jack, whats the bid deal?

Acacia · 21-09-2009 11:17am

Doc wrote: »

Where the hell are you going to find that dress in Ireland anyway?

She could make it. All she needs to do is alter a blue sequined dress. Or find one in a costume shop.

Winters · 21-09-2009 11:17am

If there are 5 of you or whatever all walking around dressed up as the spice girls than only a retard ra head who's better off dead in the history books should get annoyed at it, unfortunitly there are a lot of knacks around who do still think that but usually they frequent specific bar's which majority of sane people stay clear of. Fact that if you stick together as an obvious group then you'll be recognised as the group and not just some looper on your own wondering aroudn down in a big union jack.

I suspect it is far easier to get a union jack minidress thigny a-la spice girls than a tri-colour one in fancy dress anyway.

Also, pic's.

pickarooney · 21-09-2009 11:21am

You've already met 5 or 6 complete ***** in only 3 pages on AH so sadly you're likely to have your night ruined, if not by cockknockers giving you grief then by the worry that they might.

defence forces · 21-09-2009 11:23am

Actually I wouldn't care if someone dressed as a black and tan, I originally come from arklow and people there dressed up in pretty controversial costumes, but it was ok on the night. however weirdly if you discuss it as in say union jack you will get a response, because people are sitting at a computer reading text that in thier mind comes up as "BRITS OUT" but I live in Dublin where we are more cosmopolitan and frankly it's the thought of that band that causes offence. And even if you dressed up as a black and tan very little people will recognise the uniform and any that do probably wouldn't take offence, it would be ssen as trying to be scary. but strangely people recognise the word (black and tan). It's the typical stupidity of Irish people shouting slogans like freestate bastards and black and tans, west brits etc...without knowing about the history of thier country, but will then sit down in a pub and cheer on Man united or Liverpool and have the fcukin audasity to call themselves Irish, they should not just be banned from websites but deported as well. That's your answer love.

21-09-2009 12:27pm

me_right_one wrote: »

It would be very offensive to a lot of people. Would you go to a Jewish convention wearing a swastika?

Irish people and exaggeration. British occupation = Holocaust. Industrial schools = Gulag. RTÉ = Pravda ... the list goes on.

Neamhshuntasach · 21-09-2009 1:06pm

To some the union jack is just another flag. But to others it is more than that. I wouldn't feel offended but a little disappointed that an Irish person could wear one without thinking of the history behind it and even the current attrocities conducted under its name. I know the history, i've had family members killed in its name and i've had rocks thrown at me as a child by grown men in it's name. To me it's in bad taste. Why does everyone who would be offended or feel something about it have to be some idiot who goes around shouting Brits out and Up the Ra? If i seen this girl wearing it i wouldn't say anything. But i'd still feel something. Why are people quick to deny it's a touchy subject to some?

Purple Gorilla · 21-09-2009 1:15pm

Because she's going as a member of the spice girls. It's a halloween costume ffs. Some people need to build a bridge and get over it. Did Geri Halliwell personally drive into Croker on 21st November 1920 in her Union Jack Dress and open fire on the crowds? No. So why should this girl be afraid to dress up as a member of the Spice Girls on Halloween? Are we so immature and backwards as a country that we can't stick someone wearing a flag for a dress as an impersonation of someone else?

prinz · 21-09-2009 1:15pm

I see people wearing CCCP t-shirts all the time, without a bother. Funny the hypocrisy in this country.

df1985 · 21-09-2009 1:25pm

where are you planning on going on the night OP? id pick my pub/club very wisely to be honest.it only takes one pissed up drunk to ruin your night and go for ya.

i got called a catholic c**t for having a miraculous medal on and then started on when i said piss off while on holiday.

funk-you · 21-09-2009 1:29pm

prinz wrote: »

Funny the stupidity in this country.

FYP.

OP, wear what you want, fuck the irrelevant goons.

-Funk

Micky Dolenz · 21-09-2009 1:33pm

Wear the dress but be prepared for comments like this:

You supply the flag, I'll supply the pole

:pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf · 21-09-2009 1:47pm

OP, wear the damned dress.

I'll be honest with you (and the forum), I'm offended by the Union Jack - I detest it in fact.

However I also realize that its time to put history behind us & move on.

I try my best, but the Union Jack still wobbles my titties.

If you do decide to wear the dress, I hope you have a great fun filled, safe & peaceful night.

.

AnonoBoy · 21-09-2009 1:51pm

Emerald Mango Whisk wrote: »

I try my best, but the Union Jack still wobbles my titties.

Cue "That's what she's hoping will happen to her when she wears the dress" comments in 5....4....3....

Acacia · 21-09-2009 1:55pm

Wow, I didn't actually think the thought of a girl wearing this dress could cause so much upset and offense in some people.

She's not wearing it in some big f-you statement to the whole ''800 years'' thing- she's wearing it because the celebrity she's dressing up as wore it. That's all there is to it.

Somebody asked why people can't accept why others are getting offended by it- I can accept it, alright. I just think it's a fcuking moronic thing to get offended over.

Honestly, if somebody's Halloween costume gets you this wound up, you must have a very boring life.

Joey the lips · 21-09-2009 1:56pm

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I would say a red wig and a look like this should avoid any confusion. Of course I would not care if you wore a union jack dress.

sashafierce · 21-09-2009 2:05pm

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Porkpie · 21-09-2009 2:09pm

OP, of course you are entitled to wear the dress. But I don't think you should. I would be all for it myself if everyone out there was as tolerant as you and I. But there will be small minded drunken idiots that will use your dress as the perfect excuse to start on you. If you want to do it, go ahead, but be careful. Don't be walking around the streets, get taxis, stay away from rough spots. It's all well for people to say go ahead but I wonder if it was their sister/close friend would they be as encouraging?

magenta73 · 21-09-2009 2:21pm

op, I would be offended if I saw somebody wearing a union jack dress be it halloween or whatever. I would'nt say anything or start a fight over it but I would think it was rather bad taste.

And people out there who don't agree with me are (quote) Morons, Idiots, Assholes,etc, etc, well that's what you have said I am for being offended, and "not getting over it" sorry Who are you people ?, you do not know me! so do not pass judgement on my opionions

p.s my father is English, and grandparents and aunts, uncles,

ch750536 · 21-09-2009 2:26pm

wear the skirt.
post the pics....

Tar.Aldarion · 21-09-2009 2:42pm

Go for it, don't pander to stupid people.
I liked to pretend that I supported rangers in school to see stupid people furrowing their
eyebrows in a vain attempt to understand the situation.

sashafierce · 21-09-2009 2:59pm

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Whosbetter? · 21-09-2009 3:03pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Go for it, don't pander to stupid people.
I liked to pretend that I supported rangers in school to see stupid people furrowing their
eyebrows in a vain attempt to understand the situation.

That's the idea!

Pretend to wear the dress.

We'll need pics BTW.:D

PomBear · 21-09-2009 3:05pm

Can I ask the dress supporters would they care if a Union Jack was flying on a government building or in your town?

I'm a republican and I think you should wear the dress if you come to a mature decision to wear and realise that it offends a hell of alot of people and why it offends them (theres alot more than meets the eye). I'm going to guess you're not political so you have to realise so people lived through terrible harassment and struggle at the hand of an army and police force that saluted the said flag. All i'd say is look strigently into why people detest that flag, if you choose to wear the Union Jack dress, and if you still feel like you should after a mature well educated decision then by all means do.

humanji · 21-09-2009 3:07pm

magenta73 wrote: »

op, I would be offended if I saw somebody wearing a union jack dress be it halloween or whatever. I would'nt say anything or start a fight over it but I would think it was rather bad taste.

And people out there who don't agree with me are (quote) Morons, Idiots, Assholes,etc, etc, well that's what you have said I am for being offended, and "not getting over it" sorry Who are you people ?, you do not know me! so do not pass judgement on my opionions

p.s my father is English, and grandparents and aunts, uncles,

But why would you be offended? She doesn't want to wear the dress to celebrate the Union Jack. She's wearing it to parady a person who wore a similar dress. You're not distinguishing one from the other. That's the problem. Do you get offended by the Irish flag because the IRA did so many horrific things? It's just the same. You should be offended by the actions carried out in the flags name, not the flags themselves. They're just inanimate objects that you're associating these things with.

That's the way I see it, anyway.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 21-09-2009 3:08pm

bigkev49 wrote: »

Isn't it technically illegal to wear a flag?

How so?

me_right_one wrote: »

Who do you think you are with your "why would she be insulting anyone"? Are you trying to be smart? Easy to know no-one from your family was ever murdered by british soldiers. Maybe if your Da or uncle had been shot dead on their way to work you'd have a different outlook.

So a family member of yours was killed by british soldiers, in retaliation you hate the flag and it insults you... lol...

If your family members were killed by latvians or nigerians, would you hate their flag too? Would it insult you?

I think it is just an excuse to incite hatred towards the English... It's a flag, big deal. Flags don't kill people.

Emerald Mango Whisk wrote: »

OP, wear the damned dress.

I'll be honest with you (and the forum), I'm offended by the Union Jack - I detest it in fact.

However I also realize that its time to put history behind us & move on.

I try my best, but the Union Jack still wobbles my titties.

If you do decide to wear the dress, I hope you have a great fun filled, safe & peaceful night.

.

Why does it offend you?

magenta73 wrote: »

op, I would be offended if I saw somebody wearing a union jack dress be it halloween or whatever. I would'nt say anything or start a fight over it but I would think it was rather bad taste.

And people out there who don't agree with me are (quote) Morons, Idiots, Assholes,etc, etc, well that's what you have said I am for being offended, and "not getting over it" sorry Who are you people ?, you do not know me! so do not pass judgement on my opionions

p.s my father is English, and grandparents and aunts, uncles,

Why would it offend you if somebody wore it...? People are proud of their country and where they come from, they are entitled to wear their flag... You would think these people are wearing the flag to cause an uproar, to purposely insult ex colonies, especially the irish. If anything, the person wearing the flag should be insulted by the person immature enough to be insulted by the flag... I mean WTF?

humanji · 21-09-2009 3:10pm

sashafierce wrote: »

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There's other dresses you could wear too:

http://images.google.ie/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=ginger+spice&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

MagicMarker · 21-09-2009 3:15pm

OP, you'll only offend retards if you wear the dress. I personally find offending retards to be an excellent past time.

While wearing the dress you should also sing ''cats in the cradle''.

PomBear · 21-09-2009 3:19pm

so to the majority, you're only a retard for being a republican and being offended, yes?

humanji · 21-09-2009 3:20pm

PomBear wrote: »

so to the majority, you're only a retard for being a republican and being offended, yes?

The majority aren't calling people retards. The majority simply don't think there's a real issue.

Snakeblood · 21-09-2009 3:23pm

PomBear wrote: »

so to the majority, you're only a retard for being a republican and being offended, yes?

You can divide the two things.

Being a republican: Fine

Being offended by someone on a night out wearing a dress with a union flag on it as a reference to a legendarily sh!te band's attire: Retarded.

It's not referring to 800 years of oppression. It's not referring to anything other than Geri Halliwell and her crew of slappers.

PomBear · 21-09-2009 3:28pm

Fair Enough, but wearing this is a giant union jack, ofcourse people will get offended and i'm sure many would be offended too if they could honestly say they knew their stuff on the republican history.

Winters · 21-09-2009 3:33pm

PomBear wrote: »

if they could honestly say they knew their stuff on the republican history.

Most republications have an obscured view on history which was passed down from their fathers and their fathers father etc. Think the vast majority of educated people on this isle would like to move on with the medieval bigotry and have this country be known for something more than hating the english and beating the ****e out of each other.

OP, I hope whatever decision you make you have a fun and safe night out and its not ruined by uneducated muck savages. And I honestly dont think you would the only person I've seen wearing one. Fairly sure I have spotted a few around Dublin before on Halloween etc.

Zadkiel · 21-09-2009 3:35pm

PomBear wrote: »

Fair Enough, but wearing this is a giant union jack, ofcourse people will get offended and i'm sure many would be offended too if they could honestly say they knew their stuff on the republican history.

Again, knowing the history has literally... fu ck all to do with this.
Its a girl dressing up as a member of a ****e pop band. The reason she's choosing the Union Jack dress is because its the most recognisable one the tart wore.
Getting offended by that is ridiculous.

raindog.promo · 21-09-2009 3:36pm

http://media.photobucket.com/image/say%20you%252527ll%20be%20there%20spice%20girls/kard23/Spice%20Girls%20Video%20Collection/SayYoullBeThere.jpg

And everyone's happy.

me-skywalker · 21-09-2009 3:36pm

No problem with English flags or enlgish people BUT BUT...

The Union Jack hah! thats a different story that flags STILL pertains the element or Ireland pre '73 and is a political flag much like our own which encompasses Catholics(green) Protestans (orange) but the Union Jack does not take any of this into accoutn and slams them into one.

They've been debating all over england, scotland, walse for years on the removal of the Union Jack completley. They tehmselves have a problem with it.

But as a Halloween costume gag then duh of course not! It'll be great laugh and you'll look stunning and have a great fun!

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 21-09-2009 3:37pm

Curvy Vixen wrote: »

Why not suggest a gorilla suit

not that id like to see!

McArmalite · 21-09-2009 3:38pm

Maybe you could dress like these ladies who are obviously proud of the Butcher's Apron. Doubtless now I'm going to get the usual West Brits tell us to " move on " (where to ? ) and how to accept the butcher's apron " is a sign of our maturity as a nation "

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jul2006/gks_060712_9048_union_flag_umbrellas.jpg

PomBear · 21-09-2009 3:42pm

Winters wrote: »

Most republications have an obscured view on history which was passed down from their fathers and their fathers father etc. Think the vast majority of educated people on this isle would like to move on with the medieval bigotry and have this country be known for something more than hating the english and beating the ****e out of each other.

OP, I hope whatever decision you make you have a fun and safe night out and its not ruined by uneducated muck savages. And I honestly dont think you would the only person I've seen wearing one. Fairly sure I have spotted a few around Dublin before on Halloween etc.

Most people only know the twisted media manipulated version of the armed struggle. The Vast Majority know **** all of the harassment of this land and don't know to what extent the Irish abused, maimed and killed. but don't worry the PC brigade won't let anyone tell any bad stories only fill our heads with good ones like 'everythings going to be ok, trust us and we'll look after you'

PomBear · 21-09-2009 3:43pm

Zadkiel wrote: »

Again, knowing the history has literally... fu ck all to do with this.
Its a girl dressing up as a member of a ****e pop band. The reason she's choosing the Union Jack dress is because its the most recognisable one the tart wore.
Getting offended by that is ridiculous.

ok so dressing up as a minstrel is ok because it was a stupid part of entertainment and nothing to do with black people

Snakeblood · 21-09-2009 3:44pm

McArmalite wrote: »

Maybe you could dress like these ladies who are obviously proud of the Butcher's Apron. Doubtless now I'm going to get the usual West Brits tell us to " move on " (where to ? ) and how to accept the butcher's apron " is a sign of our maturity as a nation "

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jul2006/gks_060712_9048_union_flag_umbrellas.jpg

Nah, you might get a post about your complete incomprehension of context though.

MagicMarker · 21-09-2009 3:45pm

PomBear wrote: »

Most people only know the twisted media manipulated version of the armed struggle. The Vast Majority know **** all of the harassment of this land and don't know to what extent the Irish abused, maimed and killed. but don't worry the PC brigade won't let anyone tell any bad stories only fill our heads with good ones like 'everythings going to be ok, trust us and we'll look after you'

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a fúck what happened.

Welcome to 2009.

MagicMarker · 21-09-2009 3:45pm

PomBear wrote: »

ok so dressing up as a minstrel is ok because it was a stupid part of entertainment and nothing to do with black people

I love minstrels.

McArmalite · 21-09-2009 3:46pm

PomBear wrote: »

Most people only know the twisted media manipulated version of the armed struggle. The Vast Majority know **** all of the harassment of this land and don't know to what extent the Irish abused, maimed and killed. but don't worry the PC brigade won't let anyone tell any bad stories only fill our heads with good ones like 'everythings going to be ok, trust us and we'll look after you'

The closet ( and not so closet ) unionists are coming out again PomBear. Expect plenty of lectures about ' our ' maturity as a nation etc, etc.

mega man · 21-09-2009 3:47pm

Its quite funny. Irish people seem to be a quite tolerant people. Yet when it comes to people being offended by the union jack they simply wont tolerate it. I dont understand this.

PomBear · 21-09-2009 3:48pm

MagicMarker wrote: »

Quite frankly, I couldn't give a fúck what happened.

Welcome to 2009.

I feel sorry for you, I really do

humanji · 21-09-2009 3:50pm

McArmalite wrote: »

The closet ( and not so closet ) unionists are coming out again PomBear. Expect plenty of lectures about ' our ' maturity as a nation etc, etc.

Not while you're posting...

Zadkiel · 21-09-2009 3:50pm

PomBear wrote: »

ok so dressing up as a minstrel is ok because it was a stupid part of entertainment and nothing to do with black people

More to do with tea

PomBear · 21-09-2009 3:50pm

McArmalite wrote: »

The closet ( and not so closet ) unionists are coming out again PomBear. Expect plenty of lectures about ' our ' maturity as a nation etc, etc.

Not Unionists mate, just media manipulated into conformaty and not to question the PC brigade or its capitalistic enforcers

ejmaztec · 21-09-2009 3:51pm

McArmalite wrote: »

Maybe you could dress like these ladies who are obviously proud of the Butcher's Apron. Doubtless now I'm going to get the usual West Brits tell us to " move on " (where to ? ) and how to accept the butcher's apron " is a sign of our maturity as a nation "

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/jul2006/gks_060712_9048_union_flag_umbrellas.jpg

Didn't you post this earlier on, or am I having a déjá vu moment?

Union jack, whats the bid deal?

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