Public sector earns 25pc more

optocynic · 22-09-2009 3:46pm

seangal wrote: »

Get your facts right
i am a public sector worker and before any pension levy I was paying €120 a week in to my pension
And just to bring you up to date the PENSION LEVY is not going in to our pension it is going straight back to the dept of finance it was called a pension levy as at the time they said they could not do a pay cut

You were topping up your pension by €120 a week.
Is that number right??..
€480 a month gone to your pension?
You must be rolling in the dough!

seangal · 22-09-2009 3:49pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

You can thank Bertie Ahern for this mess. He awarded 20% benchmarking to the public service. That goes some way to explaining the 25% in the latest survey

Who got 20%?
I got 6.5% paid over 7 years
ie I got 0.92% a year out of benchmarking
Don’t believe everything you read in a paper

Riskymove · 22-09-2009 3:51pm

optocynic wrote: »

Actually, I don't see your point here. He was in FAS. He built his own extension, they paid for it.. and paid him to build it..

But, tell me... would you be surprised if "FAS paying for extensions for staff" was a headline in to morrow's paper? I know I wouldn't be.

1. my question is why FAS would pay for an extension to a house?

2. i would be surprised at such a headline, staying at more expensive hotels and flying first class on expenses is one thing, its squandering public money...but the other would be outright corrupt and I imagine, illegal

optocynic · 22-09-2009 3:55pm

Riskymove wrote: »

1. my question is why FAS would pay for an extension to a house?

2. i would be surprised at such a headline, staying at more expensive hotels and flying first class on expenses is one thing, its squandering public money...but the other would be outright corrupt and I imagine, illegal

Not really. With the pathetic planning laws and loop-holes.. all he has to say is.. he or someone in his family had a bad back.. can't walk all the time etc.. and they need a ground floor extension. It is actually rather easy, they would build a wheelchair accessable living area/bedroom/bathroom.. and a ramp in front and back...

jimmmy · 22-09-2009 3:57pm

WaltKowalski wrote: »

Just wondering Mickman, Optocynic and Jimmmy if ye are working today?!

Nobody is paying me for my time while I am posting this. No., not even a coffee break...nobody pays me for coffee or tea breaks either. I remember a few months ago debating with a p.s. poster on this very board , and he said he was entitled to do what he wanted on his tea breaks, and I pointed out the length of his tea breaks lol.:D

Riskymove · 22-09-2009 3:57pm

optocynic wrote: »

Not really. With the pathetic planning laws and loop-holes.. all he has to say is.. he or someone in his family had a bad back.. can't walk all the time etc.. and they need a ground floor extension. It is actually rather easy, they would build a wheelchair accessable living area/bedroom/bathroom.. and a ramp in front and back...

well sure if there is someone who is disabled and in need of extension then fine, I have experience of that in my own family

...not sure what you mean about pathetic planning laws though?

seangal · 22-09-2009 4:00pm

optocynic wrote: »

You were topping up your pension by €120 a week.
Is that number right??..
€480 a month gone to your pension?
You must be rolling in the dough!

wish i was
i pay pension of €54
i pay PRSI of €74 but i am not entitled to a state old age pension
a person employed in public sector before 1995 will get there public sector pension plus state old age pension
and now i am paying pension levy of €72 euro a week or in total €200 a week and have to listen to people saying we dont pay in to out pension
private sector pay PRSI will get a state pension from it plus what every private pension they get

jimmmy · 22-09-2009 4:01pm

Riskymove wrote: »

2. i would be surprised at such a headline, staying at more expensive hotels and flying first class on expenses is one thing, its squandering public money...but the other would be outright corrupt and I imagine, illegal

Where do you think the billion or so budget FAS had during the boom times went ? It did not all go on junkets to Florida. A friend of mine, who used to live two houses away, got a nice few little bits of materials for a little job he was doing on his new home, out of FAS.;) I would imagine this kind of thing went on quite a bit....nor in fairness was / is it limited to the public sector.

optocynic · 22-09-2009 4:06pm

Riskymove wrote: »

well sure if there is someone who is disabled and in need of extension then fine, I have experience of that in my own family

...not sure what you mean about pathetic planning laws though?

Having seen it all up close... in several counties too. The cronieism.. and downright crap is another source of ilk at the Public Sector.

Telling you what style house you can build (Window size etc.).. you have to 'local'.. ("are you locallll"... sound familiar).. before you can build..
The full croniesm was shown to me in an instance where permission for a house was refused due to asthetics... but, once the planner discovered the applicant was a memeber of their GAA club.. it was approved..
My father designed the house and submitted the application..

jimmmy · 22-09-2009 4:08pm

seangal wrote: »

a person employed in public sector before 1995 will get there public sector pension plus state old age pension

plus the one and a half years tax free lump sum , or a proportionate amount depending on their length of service. ( as far as I know , for most p.s. its 40 years, for the Gardai its 30 years and for the judiciary its 15 years )

seangal wrote: »

and now i am paying pension levy of €72 euro a week or in total €200 a week

as the other poster said, "You must be rolling in the dough!"
Many a private sector worker wishes they were paying that much in to their pension, and that it had a govt guarantee etc.

optocynic · 22-09-2009 4:08pm

seangal wrote: »

wish i was
i pay pension of €54
i pay PRSI of €74 but i am not entitled to a state old age pension
a person employed in public sector before 1995 will get there public sector pension plus state old age pension
and now i am paying pension levy of €72 euro a week or in total €200 a week and have to listen to people saying we dont pay in to out pension
private sector pay PRSI will get a state pension from it plus what every private pension they get

Well, you pay into your pension now! No Doubt!

If you are so unhappy with your situation, why not move to the private sector?

doncarlos · 22-09-2009 4:15pm

optocynic wrote: »

Well, you pay into your pension now! No Doubt!

If you are so unhappy with your situation, why not move to the private sector?

If you are so unhappy with how the public sector is paid, why not move to a country where it is paid less

tunney · 22-09-2009 4:18pm

doncarlos wrote: »

If you are so unhappy with how the public sector is paid, why not move to a country where it is paid less

Curious as to where the PS people think the money to pay for wages and pensions is going to continue to come from?

optocynic · 22-09-2009 4:22pm

doncarlos wrote: »

If you are so unhappy with how the public sector is paid, why not move to a country where it is paid less

Funny... I'll put it this way. If I leave, and people in jobs like mine leave... there will be a lot less tax revenue to pay the PS too..

And I am thinking of 'escaping'...

doncarlos · 22-09-2009 4:23pm

tunney wrote: »

Curious as to where the PS people think the money to pay for wages and pensions is going to continue to come from?

Well it's not, and if you read through most of the PS people's posts many expect there to be some sort of cuts. I think most (myself included) take issue with being called lazy just because someone's neighbour, friend etc works in the public sector and claims to do FA work. We also take issue with being told how great money we are all on when in fact quite a few of us are not. If the non public sector people posted solutions instead of forming a witch hunt maybe there would be a more constructive debate on the forum

mickman · 22-09-2009 4:23pm

optocynic - if your working from home how are you on the web all day

seangal · 22-09-2009 4:24pm

optocynic wrote: »

Well, you pay into your pension now! No Doubt!

If you are so unhappy with your situation, why not move to the private sector?

i did work in the private sector for years
i took this job back in 2001 as it is a job i wanted to do
when i took it i took a wage drop of about 7k and back then nobody wanted this job
i never said i was unhappy what i did say was people need to get there facts correct
what i see happing is the lump sum will be taxed and all new people who enter the public sector will not the get the GREAT pension
So to all yea begrugers i say " yea better get in here quick"

jimmmy · 22-09-2009 4:25pm

doncarlos wrote: »

If you are so unhappy with how the public sector is paid, why not move to a country where it is paid less

Many people have roots here, and property in negative equity / very difficult to sell

optocynic · 22-09-2009 4:25pm

mickman wrote: »

optocynic - if your working from home how are you on the web all day

I'm finished work now.. since I'm flying to Rome this evening.. for a meeting tomorrow.. think I will finish my work on the plane.

Why?

WaltKowalski · 22-09-2009 4:26pm

jimmmy wrote: »

as the other poster said, "You must be rolling in the dough!"
Many a private sector worker wishes they were paying that much in to their pension, and that it had a govt guarantee etc.

Jimmmy - as I said earlier, there is no guarantee that I will receive my pension.

I have done the sums. My partner was paying into a private pension with a large Irish financial institution. He entitlements on retirement were more than what mine are thought will be - but based on a smaller contribution.

I have no choice but to pay into the public sector pension scheme. I can't chose to pay into a private pension fund instead.

Also, I do take a tea break at work. I work for a notoriously strict department (relative to others). We're allowed 15 minutes. Some take an afternoon break too. I'm not allowed to take break at my desk. I clock in at my desk on arrival at work and clock out when I leave.

I'd be very surprised to hear of any employer, in an office based environment, that doesn't allow tea/coffee breaks

jimmmy · 22-09-2009 4:28pm

WaltKowalski wrote: »

Jimmmy - as I said earlier, there is no guarantee that I will receive my pension.

As a public service worker, you are a hell of a lot more likely to get a decent pension compared to the average private sector worker can afford or will get. Not to mention your 18 months tax free payment on completion of your service

mickman · 22-09-2009 4:29pm

seangal go back to sleep man. you want the state pension as well as the PS One. you will get a huge lump sum plus a massive pension on retirement. if the pension isnt great then why are there so many public sector rats racing to retire this year before the pensions are changed

optocynic · 22-09-2009 4:30pm

seangal wrote: »

i did work in the private sector for years
i took this job back in 2001 as it is a job i wanted to do
when i took it i took a wage drop of about 7k and back then nobody wanted this job
i never said i was unhappy what i did say was people need to get there facts correct
what i see happing is the lump sum will be taxed and all new people who enter the public sector will not the get the GREAT pension
So to all yea begrugers i say " yea better get in here quick"

If you are looking for begrudgers.. look at the union leaders/members.
Their solution is to tax the successful even more... leaving them with no disposable income.. have these twits never heard of trickle-down?

Since I am (according to O'Connor & Brown) rich... I should pay for the indisputably inflated PS wage bill... bull crap..
If the services provided were good I would pay..

And what service do I consume?

Roads = motor tax
Bins = bin tags
Water = soon to be charged

So, I am paying for Gardai... OK..
But what else?

seangal · 22-09-2009 4:31pm

jimmmy wrote: »

As a public service worker, you are a hell of a lot more likely to get a decent pension compared to the average private sector worker can afford or will get. Not to mention your 18 months tax free payment on completion of your service

So if it is all so great JIM why did u not join the public sector??????????

seangal · 22-09-2009 4:48pm

mickman wrote: »

seangal go back to sleep man. you want the state pension as well as the PS One. you will get a huge lump sum plus a massive pension on retirement. if the pension isnt great then why are there so many public sector rats racing to retire this year before the pensions are changed

If you can read what i said was those that were in befor 1995 will get both
us after 1995 will just get our public sector pension whick mean that the PRSI that we pay go towards out public sector pension
Put people who dont understand what they are talking about keep saying we dont pay any thing to out pension
maybe it is you that need to get out of bed

mickman · 22-09-2009 4:49pm

seangal you are saying that with an attitude as if you expect to be able to get both pensions. get some sense wil you man

seangal · 22-09-2009 4:55pm

optocynic wrote: »

If you are looking for begrudgers.. look at the union leaders/members.
Their solution is to tax the successful even more... leaving them with no disposable income.. have these twits never heard of trickle-down?

Since I am (according to O'Connor & Brown) rich... I should pay for the indisputably inflated PS wage bill... bull crap..
If the services provided were good I would pay..

And what service do I consume?

Roads = motor tax
Bins = bin tags
Water = soon to be charged

So, I am paying for Gardai... OK..
But what else?

Dont get me started on UNIONS
but you do pay for nursers, teachers, Fire officers, Cops, TD'S
people need guys to run our revenue dept and social welfare dept
But make no mistake the public sector is shrinking ( in my place of work) anyways

jimmmy · 22-09-2009 5:00pm

seangal wrote: »

So if it is all so great JIM why did u not join the public sector??????????

typical public service rant.

I won the lotto so why did you not too ??????????????

Fact : not everyone can or should be public servants.

The country has enough problems trying to support the 300,000 plus govt workers ( @ the highest govt. pay rates in the known world ) without trying to support me as well.

Oh, and thousands did apply to join , even during the "tiger".

seangal · 22-09-2009 5:04pm

mickman wrote: »

seangal you are saying that with an attitude as if you expect to be able to get both pensions. get some sense wil you man

Can you read?
I will try again
In plain English " THE PENSION THAT I WILL GET WILL BE MADE UP OF MY PRSI CONTRIBUTION AND MY PENSION CONTRIBUTION WHICH TODAY STANDS AT ALMOST €200 A WEEK BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU KEEP SAYING I DONT PAY IN TO IT (30 YEAR TO GO TO PENSION = 52 *200*30 YEARS =€312000)
If I could take that €200 and invest it my way for the 30 year I know I would be just as well off but I have no choice but give it to my GREAT PENSION

WaltKowalski · 22-09-2009 5:07pm

seangal wrote: »

If you can read what i said was those that were in befor 1995 will get both
us after 1995 will just get our public sector pension whick mean that the PRSI that we pay go towards out public sector pension
Put people who dont understand what they are talking about keep saying we dont pay any thing to out pension
maybe it is you that need to get out of bed

I'm open to correction but I think you have your info a bit mixed up.
I'm in "the service" since 2002 - so post 1995.
I'm of the opinion that pre 1995 recruits give post 1995 recruits a bad name!!
Pre '95 recruits pay a very low rate of prsi (and an ever so slightly higher rate of pension contribution) and are not entitled to social welfare benefits. So if they take sick leave, maternity leave or retire, their income does not consist of any social welfare payment.
I pay the regular A rate of prsi so if I was to ever take maternity leave or when I retire, some of the payment I will receive is made up social welfare payments, which along with everyone else who pays prsi, i am entitled to.

P.S. This thread has helped me pass a very boring day - so thanks!!!

Public sector earns 25pc more

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