O'Leary v. Ganley - The Reckoning.

The_Minister

Michael O'Leary and Declan Ganley go head-to-head tonight on Prime Time, debating the Lisbon Treaty.

Pre-match jousting has already begun:

I create more jobs in this country than he does, I pay more taxes in this country than he does and if he wants to have a debate on how he thinks voting No is going to enhance either the Irish economy or job creation let's have a debate. I think the problem for Declan Ganley is he wants to be Dana but he couldn't get enough votes to get elected. Well I never wanted to be Dana, sadly I can't sing, I'm never going to run for political office so i think I have a more independent voice than some failed politician. - Micheal O'Leary on Declan Ganley

stolen from P.ie

They will also be participating in a debate on radio around 4:30 as well.

Let's get read to Ruuuuuuumble!!!

meglome

The_Minister wrote: »

Michael O'Leary and Declan Ganley go head-to-head tonight on Prime Time, debating the Lisbon Treaty.

Pre-match jousting has already begun:
stolen from P.ie

They will also be participating in a debate on radio around 4:30 as well.

Let's get read to Ruuuuuuumble!!!

I can't wait. I don't remember being ever this interested in a political debate before.

Martin 2

The_Minister wrote: »

Michael O'Leary and Declan Ganley go head-to-head tonight on Prime Time, debating the Lisbon Treaty.

Pre-match jousting has already begun:

I create more jobs in this country than he does, I pay more taxes in this country than he does and if he wants to have a debate on how he thinks voting No is going to enhance either the Irish economy or job creation let's have a debate. I think the problem for Declan Ganley is he wants to be Dana but he couldn't get enough votes to get elected. Well I never wanted to be Dana, sadly I can't sing, I'm never going to run for political office so i think I have a more independent voice than some failed politician. - Micheal O'Leary on Declan Ganley

stolen from P.ie

They will also be participating in a debate on radio around 4:30 as well.

Let's get read to Ruuuuuuumble!!!

That has to be the quote of the campaign so far... at least for entertainment value

ei.sdraob

The_Minister wrote: »

Michael O'Leary and Declan Ganley go head-to-head tonight on Prime Time, debating the Lisbon Treaty.

Pre-match jousting has already begun:
stolen from P.ie

They will also be participating in a debate on radio around 4:30 as well.

Let's get read to Ruuuuuuumble!!!

/switches over to the NO side bias seeking mode


You are biased! that should read

Declan Ganley and Michael O'Leary


/snaps back

Euro_Kraut

This is going to be great! Getting a few beer and sitting down to watch this tonight.

I fear for O'Leary in terms of debating the actual content of the treaty. Ganley will have the clear advantage in that regards. O'Leary will likely really on sly personal digs against Ganely.

Cool.:D

cornbb

Is anyone listening to them on the Last Word? I think they should be going at it around now. Dying to hear this, but the stream appears to be blocked here at work

WeeBushy

cornbb wrote: »

Is anyone listening to them on the Last Word? I think they should be going at it around now. Dying to hear this, but the stream appears to be blocked here at work

Just tuned in... about to start after the news headlines. The stream works fine for me.

Dinner

cornbb wrote: »

Is anyone listening to them on the Last Word? I think they should be going at it around now. Dying to hear this, but the stream appears to be blocked here at work

Due to start in a min. O'Leary is late.

Ganley, McKenna, Higgins, Martin and Harkin are there.

ShooterSF

I'm looking forward to this. Possibly the two most hated figures (other than FF and Green party members) in recent Irish history go head to head. Not expecting a great debate but hopeful of some entertainment. I hope Prime Time flashes up a "For entertainment purposes only" sign during the debate though. Neither of these guys are the kind of people we need to take advice from.

helpwanted1

No O'Leary.......yet

Hope he shows....is it all tactics;):rolleyes:;):rolleyes:

This is the link I'm using to listen to it

http://www.todayfm.com/LivePlayer.aspx

turgon

O'Leary is in the building

WeeBushy

God, Patricia McKenna's annoying.

turgon

I hate the No side campaigners. I cant wait til this referendum is over.

Fair dues to Marian Harkin for talking about TREATY reasons!

Sam Vimes

all lies so far

murfie

Has O'leary spoken yet?

WeeBushy

murfie wrote: »

Has O'leary spoken yet?

Nope Ganley at the moment, O'Leary is up next.

Hitman Actual

murfie wrote: »

Has O'leary spoken yet?

No, up next.

Sam Vimes

Ganley's on. Constitution=lisbon bollocks

Sam Vimes

He's finished now. Everything he said was a lie. It really makes you despair for democracy.

Dinner

Wow, I don't think Ganley or McKenna said anything true in their speeches.

Sam Vimes

Dinner wrote: »

Wow, I don't think Ganley or McKenna said anything true in their speeches.

depressing isn't it

turgon

You gotta love O'Learys ability to talk straight

Dinner

turgon wrote: »

You gotta love O'Learys ability to talk straight

It is good to see a yes supporter slam the government as well as advocate a yes vote.

Loved his comments about each of the no debaters there being Dana.

turgon

Dinner wrote: »

Loved his comments about each of the no debaters there being Dana.

Right up there with his "unemployable ****in headbangers" comment

Soldie

Funny that, I was just looking at Joe Higgins' website the other day, too. Under "Economy" the only two sections are "Nationalisation" and "Workers". :rolleyes:

O'Leary is refreshing to listen to in that he doesn't talk like a politician.

murfie

Ganley did give O'Leary as good as O'Leary gave. Good stuff, forget the rest of them just let O'Leary loose on Ganley.
O'Leary is very fresh and sticking it to the government just as much as the NO side.

WeeBushy

Kind of disappointed so far, it's just been No voters shouting blatant lies, Yes side refuting them and no one getting anywhere. Probably shouldn't have expected much more though. Kind of similar to here actually...

Did like the little sparring match between Ganley and O'Leary, hopefully there'll be plenty more of that tonight.

BlitzKrieg

Higgens last article reference there before the break.

Article 207
(ex Article 133 TEC)
1. The common commercial policy shall be based on uniform principles, particularly with regard
to changes in tariff rates, the conclusion of tariff and trade agreements relating to trade in goods and
services, and the commercial aspects of intellectual property, foreign direct investment, the
achievement of uniformity in measures of liberalisation, export policy and measures to protect trade
such as those to be taken in the event of dumping or subsidies. The common commercial policy shall
be conducted in the context of the principles and objectives of the Union's external action.
2. The European Parliament and the Council, acting by means of regulations in accordance with
the ordinary legislative procedure, shall adopt the measures defining the framework for implementing
the common commercial policy.
3. Where agreements with one or more third countries or international organisations need to be
negotiated and concluded, Article 218 shall apply, subject to the special provisions of this Article.
The Commission shall make recommendations to the Council, which shall authorise it to open the
necessary negotiations. The Council and the Commission shall be responsible for ensuring that the
agreements negotiated are compatible with internal Union policies and rules.
The Commission shall conduct these negotiations in consultation with a special committee appointed
by the Council to assist the Commission in this task and within the framework of such directives as the
Council may issue to it. The Commission shall report regularly to the special committee and to the
European Parliament on the progress of negotiations.
4. For the negotiation and conclusion of the agreements referred to in paragraph 3, the Council
shall act by a qualified majority.
For the negotiation and conclusion of agreements in the fields of trade in services and the commercial
aspects of intellectual property, as well as foreign direct investment, the Council shall act unanimously
where such agreements include provisions for which unanimity is required for the adoption of internal
rules.
The Council shall also act unanimously for the negotiation and conclusion of agreements:
(a) in the field of trade in cultural and audiovisual services, where these agreements risk prejudicing
the Union's cultural and linguistic diversity;
(b) in the field of trade in social, education and health services, where these agreements risk seriously
disturbing the national organisation of such services and prejudicing the responsibility of Member
States to deliver them.
5. The negotiation and conclusion of international agreements in the field of transport shall be
subject to Title VI of Part Three and to Article 218.
C 115/140 EN Official Journal of the European Union 9.5.2008
6. The exercise of the competences conferred by this Article in the field of the common
commercial policy shall not affect the delimitation of competences between the Union and the
Member States, and shall not lead to harmonisation of legislative or regulatory provisions of the
Member States in so far as the Treaties exclude such harmonisation.

hmmm

is there a text in service for this? I'd like to ask him to read all of paragraph 4

K-9

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

Higgens last article reference there before the break.



hmmm

is there a text in service for this? I'd like to ask him to read all of paragraph 4

Think there is on the today FM website.

force eleven

Sam Vimes wrote: »

all lies so far

From the Yes side. O'Leary is a clown, he loves promoting Ryanair. That is his agenda.Full stop.

Sam Vimes

force eleven wrote: »

From the Yes side. O'Leary is a clown, he loves promoting Ryanair. That is his agenda.Full stop.

Yes, he's promoting Ryanair by supporting a yes vote, which he believes will help the economy. Not everything that is good for him is bad for you. And the fact that you don't think the no side are lying is very depressing

K-9

Ganley throwing out FT'S Spain and unemployment line!

BlitzKrieg

FFS!

the unemployment in spain lie has been thrown out by declan ganley!!!

Euro_Kraut

K-9 wrote: »

Ganley throwing out FT'S Spain and unemployment line!

Scoffclaw would have banned him!

Euro_Kraut

Marian Harkin has been the star preformer for me so far. Good, concise and relevant arguments and well made.

turgon

"A No vote will offer us positive opportunities" - Patricia McKenna. Ffs.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Ganley conflating CCCTB and Tax Harmony with Lisbon.

FT must be his policy advisor...

BlitzKrieg

FT#s prior knowledge of his return is enough proof of that

PopeBuckfastXVI

Patricia McKenna - "The Minimum Wage is a Key Issue"

How stupid can one person be?

Hitman Actual

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Patricia McKenna - "The Minimum Wage is a Key Issue"

How stupid can one person be?

I always thought she was just being intentionally dishonest about Lisbon. It's becoming clearer that she is actually a little bit dim.

Ganley, on the other hand, is still peddling his lies at speed.

BlitzKrieg

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Marian Harkin has been the star preformer for me so far. Good, concise and relevant arguments and well made.

THAT WOMAN IS A BEAST!

she just ripped the entire no side apart.

PopeBuckfastXVI

Hitman Actual wrote: »

I always thought she was just being intentionally dishonest about Lisbon. It's becoming clearer that she is actually a little bit dim.

Ganley, on the other hand, is still peddling his lies at speed.

Yep - talked about giving the EU the power to "raise it's own resources", a power it already has, a quote that's already in Nice.

Charlatan.

Sam Vimes

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

THAT WOMAN IS A BEAST!

she just ripped the entire no side apart.

They're still going on about tax. She just just read the guarantee again and keep reading it until they shut up

Robbo

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

THAT WOMAN IS A BEAST!

she just ripped the entire no side apart.

She's on a mission alright. Strangely never felt compelled to give her a high preference though but I'll be reconsidering that in future.

From listening to Patricia McKenna over the years, I always feel that when she's allowed speak she feels some powerful compulsion to sluice every single thought from her mind out through her mouth, lest her head explode like in Scanners.

BlitzKrieg

and article 311 is unchanged from nice anyway.

edit: my mistake it is changed, it adds extra securities. Hmm I wonder if it is in our constitutional requirement to have a referendum if the EU tax us.

ShooterSF

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Yes, he's promoting Ryanair by supporting a yes vote, which he believes will help the economy. Not everything that is good for him is bad for you. And the fact that you don't think the no side are lying is very depressing

He supports the treaty because he seems to believe it hands more power to the E.U from our "incompetent" government. His whole argument is FF are fuking up our economy vote yes to Lisbon. Either he's wrong or I see a very good reason to vote no. Even if he was right, dealing with our idiot government should be done in general election time, right?

K-9

Martin on the attack on Ganley.

cornbb

Ganley still turns my stomach. I'm grateful that O'Leary, who has no potential electorate to behave for, can go apesh*t on him

PopeBuckfastXVI

All over.

I hate how these debates always take the form

Lie
Refutation
Repeat

sad really.

Dinner

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

All over.

I hate how these debates always take the form

Lie
Refutation
Repeat

sad really.

It's a shame alright. Harkin did very well though, even if she did have to spend most of her time to refute lies.

K-9

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

THAT WOMAN IS A BEAST!

she just ripped the entire no side apart.

Harkin was the best performer, less hysterical than the rest.