They're Being Wasted!

thebman

mangaroosh wrote: »

not necessarily. If Michael O'Leary gets to take over Aer Lingus it doesn't mean he will employ more Irish people. Neither will Intel necessarily employ more people, not when they can relocate to a lower cost base, as their shareholders may encourage them to do after Lisbon gets passed.

Lol thats true but unlikely for most small businesses also supporting the treaty. Every business can't leave the country. Lisbon doesn't make it easier to move to other countries so they would just do it now if they wanted to and voting either way won't change if they stay or if they go. You still have to ask why most small businesses are supporting Lisbon if it has no effect. Either they believe it will do them good or they believe the government will look favorably on any company supporting Lisbon should they run into difficulties.

MOL is unlikely to take control of Aer Lingus despite supporting the treaty IMO. More likely to be told thanks now feck off IMO. Aer Lingus aren't the most successful company ATM so the jobs that will be lost if Ryanair take over could be viewed as saving the jobs that would go if Aer Lingus went under depending on ones point of view.

Even if he did take Aer Lingus over, nothing stopping another business starting up to fill the cap in the market if they close routes and they can do it free of any problems Aer Lingus may have.

JimmyO

thebman wrote: »

But we want our businesses to succeed and expand, don't we?

Won't that mean they are employing more people?

It's the banks and big business that have the global economy in the state that it is.

Gambling with what may as well have been Monopoly Money.

From what I can see Lisbon is designed to make life easier for them.

Brussels will always come down on the side of Big Business.

Things should be made harder for them, not easier - and that's on a global level, not just in Europe.

Sam Vimes

mangaroosh wrote: »

Yes to Jobs = Logical Fallacy
Yes to Recovery = Logical Fallacy
We're better with Europe = Logical Fallacy

If they're logical fallacies used by the government to scare people, why do 90% of businesses, 91% of economists and the majority of trade unions agree with them? What do they have to gain from pretending that a yes vote will help the economy?

If you say something along the lines of "powerful friends in Europe", I'll point out that they want those powerful friends for their business interests and since their businesses are in Ireland, helping their businesses will help the economy

Sam Vimes

JimmyO wrote: »

It's the banks and big business that have the global economy in the state that it is.

Gambling with what may as well have been Monopoly Money.

From what I can see Lisbon is designed to make life easier for them.

Brussels will always come down on the side of Big Business.

Things should be made harder for them, not easier - and that's on a global level, not just in Europe.

Just to be clear, you're saying that we should deliberately hinder big business by voting no? You seem now to be saying that a yes vote will make things easier for them while not seeing any connection between that and economic recovery

Also, the problem, in Ireland at least, was property speculation and easy credit. You can't just labell all big businesses as the cause of our woes

And what makes you think Lisbon makes things easier for businesses?

PopeBuckfastXVI

Sam Vimes wrote: »

If they're logical fallacies used by the government to scare people, why do 90% of businesses, 91% of economists and the majority of trade unions agree with them? What do they have to gain from pretending that a yes vote will help the economy?

If you say something along the lines of "powerful friends in Europe", I'll point out that they want those powerful friends for their business interests and since their businesses are in Ireland, helping their businesses will help the economy

They're not logical fallacies. The OP has no idea what a logical fallacy is.

thebman

JimmyO wrote: »

Brussels will always come down on the side of Big Business.

Things should be made harder for them, not easier - and that's on a global level, not just in Europe.

So crushing big business will lead to economic recovery?

ei.sdraob

thebman wrote: »

So crushing big business will lead to economic recovery?

according to these guys

YES crushing capitalism is a must :eek:

The Communist Party of Ireland is an all-Ireland Marxist party founded in 1933. Its aim is to win the support of the majority of the Irish people for ending the capitalist system and for building socialism—a social system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are publicly owned and utilised for the benefit of the whole people.

thebman

So now everything can be run just like CIE or the HSE!

Oh we can only dream

evercloserunion

Captain Furball wrote: »

Your whole post came down to money, money, money.......
:rolleyes:

I was reading your post when I was hit in the head by a flying goalpost.