Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

Ken B

Vega

• ウルコン2のコマンドが溜めに。
  The two commands Urukon reservoir

Is that a haiku?

Sairus

It's been posted on SRK that Azrael retracted his comment about the sonic boom. It does build meter.

A random commenter on EventHubs posted that, but I have yet to find the source.

Creature

Yreval wrote: »

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://www20.atwiki.jp/ssf4/pages/1396.html%23id_4c464123&act=url

Google-translated change list for the loketest. In particular, Dudley's rose was a rigid short, which is nice to know.

Australian ogre

• Short distance before climbing became a tornado J.

Thats good to know. I feared that Australian Ogre would end up bottom tier

Dunjohn

I thought the internet was supposed to slowly eradicate Engrish.

Azza

More change notes slowly trickling out.

Akuma: DP FADC Ultra 2 works. I suspect ultra 2 will get a damage nerf if that's the case.
Slower walk speed has been reported.

Chun Li: Apparently the hitbox on df+lk was nerfed. C.HK does less stun. Wonder how they could tell these?

Guile: People suggesting that sonic boom does build charge. Some think its simply a whiffed sonic boom doesn't build charge, but if its blocked, focused absorbed or hits it will build charge. Would really compromise guile in a fireball fight, but make him abit more bearable for non fireball characters.

M.Bison: Ultra 2 is now B, F, B, F +3P. Will be useless if start uptime isn't adjusted. Some suggestions that the invincible frames on his ultra one have been changed.

Rose has apparently got a faster focus attack. The change to her ultra 2 is suppose to be no invincibility but that seems odd as her ultra 2 currently has no invincible frames. It has no recovery frames so its a safe move currently. Maybe they gave it recovery frames. Quite possible that the player who reported this change does not understand how her ultra works and it is in fact unchanged.

Placebo

Not sure how they can tell a lot of these things. Specially most hitbox speculations.

animaX

Misty Choas wrote: »

Looks like Yun is going to be broken in this game, unless he gets nerfed between now and the final version.

What are you basing this on? The super meter setup?

Placebo wrote: »

anyone concerned over the YUN damage of his super
40-50% ?

Makoto has a similar big damage setup from her super (into ultra) but that hasn't been a huge issue. Don't see it that often.

BanjoB wrote: »

They should make rufus's dive kicks unable to cross up, right Terry??.

The game would be dead to me! Very little news on the rufus front apart from a possible nerf to ultra 2 damage mentioned on the translated page.

The change that excites me most is

T. Hawk has a stand alone EX Condor Dive (3x Kick), which can be done while jumping backwards. You no longer have to perform this as part of his EX Rising Hawk.

This is great for hawk!

Sairus

Azza wrote: »

Rose has apparently got a faster focus attack. The change to her ultra 2 is suppose to be no invincibility but that seems odd as her ultra 2 currently has no invincible frames. It has no recovery frames so its a safe move currently. Maybe they gave it recovery frames. Quite possible that the player who reported this change does not understand how her ultra works and it is in fact unchanged.

I was wondering about the phrasing of her losing invincibility too and also assumed it was given some recovery frames. I'm really hoping that it has been left alone, but judging from the other changes being reported I wouldn't be shocked if was given some recovery.
T'would be a darn shame though, it'll change how that move can be used pretty drastically.

Azza wrote: »

M.Bison: Ultra 2 is now B, F, B, F +3P. Will be useless if start uptime isn't adjusted. Some suggestions that the invincible frames on his ultra one have been changed.

When I first heard about the change in input there I was pretty happy as I always hated that he had such a quick response move, but the more I've seen the change pop up in discussion I'm getting more and more against it. As you say, it'll be pretty useless without a much faster start up.

Placebo

animaX wrote: »

Makoto has a similar big damage setup from her super (into ultra) but that hasn't been a huge issue. Don't see it that often.

You quoted me out of context, i answered my own question later in the post.
Also turns out yuns dive kick is not like rufus'

check event hubs for updates

Sairus

Placebo wrote: »

Also turns out yuns dive kick is not like rufus'

Yar, it sounds pretty interesting. Different angles depending on kick strength, but it cant be launched as close to the ground.
As much as I think they're boring character choices, Yun and Yang are actually sounding pretty cool to use.

Placebo

kick thing is same as 3S, its the way rufus' should have been, his is more spammy, which is why terry uses it alot, to get cheap wins.

bush

Placebo wrote: »

kick thing is same as 3S, its the way rufus' should have been, his is more spammy, which is why terry uses it alot, to get cheap wins.

Azza

Sairus wrote:

I was wondering about the phrasing of her losing invincibility too and also assumed it was given some recovery frames. I'm really hoping that it has been left alone, but judging from the other changes being reported I wouldn't be shocked if was given some recovery.
T'would be a darn shame though, it'll change how that move can be used pretty drastically.

Well the move isn't great offensively. Rose can pop ultra 2 throw out a fireball and chase after there opponent and try to land a slide or a cross up. Its kinda unreliable though as you never know if the orbs will cross up with your jump or not. I suppose with a lot of practise you would have a better idea if it will or not and its a relatively safe jump in attempt so risk reward is good.

If they add recovery frames the ultra will end up trading to meaties. Which I suppose is still useful in a way.

Azza

Seth on seeing his balance changes :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eAvg2ftnrY

Dunjohn

Something that crap shouldn't have been so hilarious.

FoamyMushroom

Azza wrote: »

Akuma: DP FADC Ultra 2 works. I suspect ultra 2 will get a damage nerf if that's the case.
Slower walk speed has been reported.
.

, I am now happy

Ramza

Capcom making Genei Jin QCB x 2, wtf

Yun seems cool tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGVBg0LnpOc

D4RK ONION

Great to hear Makoto may be getting a useful armour breaker, she seriously needed one. I would have prefered the axe kick to be it, but ex hayate it a great one too.

3s style axe kicks could drag her up several places if not tiers. Fully realised that means a floating hit box which travels almost fullscreen. And if you could still U1 afterwards as per now... Holy crap!

Sairus

Azza wrote: »

If they add recovery frames the ultra will end up trading to meaties. Which I suppose is still useful in a way.

Ar, if it trades it'll still be useful and still far more viable than U1. However a large portion of its get-the-****-away-from-me-while-I-have-ultra power will be gone.
I guess it's sort of fair as it is basically a perfect defensive move as it stands currently... but gosh darn it I just loves it so.

GorySnake

U2 on wakeup for Rose would be a big waste now. Currently, on an unsafe jump in, its a free 300+ damage AA basically. If it was to trade to meaties it would be a 100 damage trade (maybe more if U2 is charged with Reflects) and a knockdown for Rose.

Azza

Rose's orbs do between 81-120 damage each depending on full your ultra meter is. Only the second orb can be over charged with reflects so if you trade with a meaty you get no benefit from the overcharge.

So your talking about an even trade more or less. She won't get a knock down off grounded meaties though. Might be possible to combo off an air trade though.

Still its a considerable nerf. Without ultra 2 her wake up is terrible. She has no answers for cross ups at all, and no answer for light meaties outside of Super. Her only safe wake up option is focus cancelled EX.Drill.

D4RK ONION

Makoto stuffs for myself and Cheuytoo

She slightly faster walk speed.

If it's noticable it should make spacing and footsies a little easier, could tick into throw more easily, which would increase her mix up ability.

Fukiage (Upwards Punch) takes off more life. The hitbox for this may have been improved though, but it's not conclusive so far.

Great news, this move is already indispensable in some matches (laughs at badly timed cross-up mix up attempts) but this should make it better at what it already does okay. Good news. Ideally I would like to see the EX version get some (more?- if current, it's unnoticeable) invun. frames to make it remotely viable to waste a bar on.

EX Overhead Chop (Oroshi) has more invincible frames.

Should increase it's viability as a wake up move, which is great news. Looks like they're doing all the right things to help the bottom rung characters out if Makoto and Hakan are anything to go by!

Scavenger XIII

I just hope Guile gets nerfed just enough to drop him to about upper mid and no more.

Should shake off the usual top tier bandwagon without taking away his viability.

Doctor DooM

Scavenger XIII wrote: »

I just hope Guile gets nerfed just enough to drop him to about upper mid and no more.

Should shake off the usual top tier bandwagon without taking away his viability.

BAH! Back in my day, Guile were bottom tier, and we were happy to walk 150 miles through acid rain and snow storms after getting up at the crack of dawn to play with him using arcade sticks from the 80's with pieces of shattered glass embedded into them!

AND WE WERE HAPPY!

UberPrinny_Baal

Always entertaining to see nerf/buff info being drip-fed to the community through not entirely reliable sources.

Only info I've seen for Deejay is "He has an overhead now!" "That's bullcrap, he doesn't!" :rolleyes:

The Seth nerfs don't make a lot of sense to me, unless it's part of a massive change across the ecosystem of the game (Super's overall damage and dp nerfs) since I don't think a Seth player has ever shaken anything up.

Doctor DooM

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Always entertaining to see nerf/buff info being drip-fed to the community through not entirely reliable sources.

Yeah, I mean, remember when SSFIV was coming out?

There were loads of rumours going round some of which had a basis in reality of testing (DeeJay's ex sobat crumpling, there's videos of it out there).

So a) I'll just deal with whatever comes my way anyways, not like being bottom tier ever put me off before b) There's always DeeJay if they do nerf Guile too hard and c) I won't get worried about anything til a final build is in our hands.

Or not, these changes might take a while to hit Europe

Scavenger XIII

The Seth nerfs don't make a lot of sense to me

[Rant] Maybe they're going for the ASW approach of nerfing the hell out of mid tier. [/Rant]

UberPrinny_Baal

EX Sobat crumpling would have been delicious

PPC

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

The Seth nerfs don't make a lot of sense to me, unless it's part of a massive change across the ecosystem of the game (Super's overall damage and dp nerfs) since I don't think a Seth player has ever shaken anything up.

I think Capcom see Seth as being better and people are relying too much on those moves. They want him to play differently so they're mixing him up.

Most of the changes now probably won't stick. They're just seeing how people react to them now.

Placebo

Doctor DooM wrote: »

BAH! Back in my day, Guile were bottom tier, and we were happy to walk 150 miles through acid rain and snow storms after getting up at the crack of dawn to play with him using arcade sticks from the 80's with pieces of shattered glass embedded into them!

AND WE WERE HAPPY!

over reactionz, by that statement you must be this age