Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread

The Hound

I dont think Guiles gonna be different. Still gonna have a godly zoning game but poor wake like majority of the cast

Placebo

Doctor DooM wrote: »

No problem with it at all.

It sounds like his buffs will far outweigh this very minor nerf.

you dont get it brian, you love that air throw, you love the fact its better than all the other air throws thats why i pointed it out, i mean sure other buffs are great but

doom = sonicboom+airthrow

other buffs = dooms game play changing ? = we shall see.

The Hound

Placebo wrote: »

you dont get it brian, you love that air throw, you love the fact its better than all the other air throws thats why i pointed it out, i mean sure other buffs are great but

doom = sonicboom+airthrow

other buffs = dooms game play changing ? = we shall see.

It went from a 3 frame throw to a 4 frame? thats not really a change, Hes still gona have the range and effect it has now. besides, I'd be worried if doom starts using guiles normals as aa more now

bush

The Hound wrote: »

besides, I'd be worried if doom starts using guiles normals as aa more now

Ye I dont care about air throw, his normals are gdlk. I mean if anyone is getting owned by the lame sonic boom followed by jump air throw they need to cop on.
Its the combination of sonic boom and normals is whats annoying about guile to me. Now he has another gdlk normal, dam.

GorySnake

I can see it now, Inferno 25: "I thought they nerfed that F***ING MOVE!!"

Seriously, 1 extra frame of startup is gonna make little to no difference.

DarkTalant

Tokido and Mago talk Yun and Yang:
http://www.versuscity.net/2010/12/01/the-2d-gods-present-the-twins/

Doctor DooM

Reading Guile's changes again, I have a feeling in me water that they're mistranslating UpsideDownKick for rolling sobat.

GorySnake

Guile:

• Reverse Sobat (close f or b+MK) now completely avoids crouching moves (comment on how it rapes ground game with a little "bow before this buff" smiley) think cr.techs being hit on counterhit (ouch), and linked into c.mp (easier link) xx sonic boom, backfist. Yeah. Nasty. (to be honest I have no idea if it "was" invencible, or if it IS invencible now... take it with a grain of salt.

That combo sounds impossible though.

EDIT:

Finally, Mago explains that on the second hit of Mantis Slash HP, Yang is at +10 on hit, and +6 on block. This allows you to follow up with an EX Focus Cancel into Close Standing MK or either Ultra combo if the second slash hits

SICK

Scavenger XIII

Doctor DooM wrote: »

Reading Guile's changes again, I have a feeling in me water that they're mistranslating UpsideDownKick for rolling sobat.

Would explain the cr.MP link business.

ayjayirl

GorySnake wrote: »

That combo sounds impossible though.

EDIT:



SICK

The only really difficult part is the link from the sobat/ UDK to the cr mp.

I don't know if it already works for sobat but after UDK it's a one framer. I've landed it a few times in a local match, never online.

GorySnake

You wouldnt have charge for the sonic boom after a F+MK though, or most likely will be out of range for the cr.mp with a B+MK

Another Yang Edit:

Yang Combos

4a. Zenpou Tenshin -> Close Standing MP x Senkyuutai HK OR Close Standing MK -> jump cancel Dive Kick MK (whiff) -> Tenshin Senkyuutai/Raishin Mahha Ken

Yang sounds like he's gonna be a beast.

Doctor DooM

GorySnake wrote: »

You wouldnt have charge for the sonic boom after a F+MK though, or most likely will be out of range for the cr.mp with a B+MK

Yeah I do think it's a mistake and they've made the cr mp after UDK better. A comboable low invincible sobat sounds too good to me. And as you say, the sonic boom would be tough to do.

Dreddybajs

f/b. mk hopping over lows would make sense as that's what it's used for in ST, though yeah that combo doesn't sound practical :pac:

Ramza

Shouldn't sobat always have gone over lows anyway, from the get go? As it should...

durr

Doctor DooM

Both sobat and UDK already have a certain amount of low invulnerability. This s talking about an upgrade to it. I already use it to hop over ryus who spam cr mk. An upgrade will make it gdlk.

mackg

fei question

is it necessary to learn the cr.lk cr.lk cr.lp rekka combo for characters st.lp whiffs on or is there an alternative, hard link, online dont even bother

The Hound

mackg wrote: »

fei question

is it necessary to learn the cr.lk cr.lk cr.lp rekka combo for characters st.lp whiffs on or is there an alternative, hard link, online dont even bother

Yes you can chain that link, its tight but easy enough once you get it down. Depend on what situation you use for which combo. St mp or crouch mp to jab is excellent and an easy link

Generic_name01

Behold the end is near. Evil Ryu and Eviler Akuma are real. Guessing they will become playable at some stage... The trailer in the link just confirms them but there is no gameplay of them.

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/dec/02/first-image-evil-ryu-and-oni-akuma-ssf4-ae/

Even if they are just bosses, it feels stupid to neglect rolento who was apparently nearly complete to throw these two in.

chopperbyrne

Shin Akuma is in Super anyway, unless it's a completely different version of Akuma in that trailer. (Can't check in work.)

J.I.M.

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Shin Akuma is in Super anyway, unless it's a completely different version of Akuma in that trailer. (Can't check in work.)

It's the white-haired, "Oni"-Akuma that was shown in the achievement pics earlier. Oh and Evil Ryu is a ginger, apparently.

Placebo

no one needs another variation of a shoto to be honest. Get rid of that evil/violent/omniplex bull****, no need for it.
Also that could just be akuma and ryu, with glares in their eyes.#


genji in for yun looks nice


maybe ryu is just angry

Sairus

Generic_name01 wrote: »

Behold the end is near. Evil Ryu and Eviler Akuma are real.

So ****ing bent.

Fergus_

Ah feck sake. They better not be the 2 new characters, Karin and Alex better be in

Scavenger XIII

lol Capcom.

Doctor DooM

I honestly didn't think we'd see a playable evil Ryu but they were hardly pushing shin Gouken before Super so it looks likely imo.


Bollox. There's no need for another shoto in this game unless they're like gouken (I love the way he twists every shoto move around a bit).

Placebo

perhaps could be BOSS in arcade for 1 player fun [even though games not for that] and wont be included in DLC

either way 2 weeks wait now and it will reveal all !

UberPrinny_Baal

Even if they're just boss characters this is pretty lame.

I've always thought the Ryu/Darkside plotline was weak.

Fergus_

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I honestly didn't think we'd see a playable evil Ryu but they were hardly pushing shin Gouken before Super so it looks likely imo.


Bollox. There's no need for another shoto in this game unless they're like gouken (I love the way he twists every shoto move around a bit).

As does Sakura. Gouken's really fun too

I really hope they aren't the 2 new playable characters because that would suck big time.

Doctor DooM

Placebo wrote: »

perhaps could be BOSS in arcade for 1 player fun [even though games not for that] and wont be included in DLC

either way 2 weeks wait now and it will reveal all !

This is what I am hoping. While I enjoyed playing evil ryu in the alpha series he did feel like a cheap knock off Akuma. Don't need him in Super.

Doctor DooM

UberPrinny_Baal wrote: »

Even if they're just boss characters this is pretty lame.

I've always thought the Ryu/Darkside plotline was weak.

As opposed to the girl who entered the tournament to find a boyfriend, or the guy who broke out of prison to fight because he was bored, or the guy looking for roses like? :P Street Fighter's story is shamed by the competition right now (that being Blaz Blue, which is actually kinda cool and all about time travel and stuff).

Although personally I always preferred the "Bison's a troll and everyone wants to kill him" storyline.