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Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread
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Dunno man. Its first hit is quite quick and has good range. I know you can get stung on the second one by people focusing it and dragon punching it....but I always thought it was quite decent.
Imo they should give guile back his overhead kick. Its still in it, but it doesn't count as an overhead....which is retarded. Agree with the flash kicks and his ultra too. Needs a full connect everytime. there are other characters such as Fei Long and Chun li who miss their ultras too. I'd bet my house on all these being fixed for super. Including yours
Guile with a more reliable ultra, Better flash kicks, and a long range overhead is a much better prospect than the current one.
Very few Guile players are using the sweep these days... it's kinda frowned upon as a sign of weakness.
It'd be the smallest of my nit picks though. The Ultra being the biggest.
Rem that overhead is just an overhead in HDR. They'll need to change Guile a bit to make it work (remember his target combo thats already overhead, don't think they'd let him keep two,also make it so Guile can flip kick anywhere). Sirlin said there was problems in development with the range of that kick making it an awesome poke by accident.
I think the target combo is one of Guiles best tools so i don't really want that changed.0 -
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Sweep is awful, and is likely to get Guile eating an Ultra for his trouble currently but I can't see how this would be easy to fix without changing the move entirely.
I'm saying change it completely, it's a useless move in most circumstances as is.Request for an overhead kick seems largely irrelevant as his forward+mp is a good overhead already.
Yarp.Flash kick should own all direct jump in but not stop cross ups on wake up.
I'd be cool with that.Booms, give em more damage but much longer recovery time. There pretty much unpunishable at the moment.
Uh... that's kinda the point of the boom. Otherwise he's a slower Chun Li. You'd be completely changing the character doing this.Ultra should connect better against jumping opponents.
Damn right it should.Make his hitbox wider, a lot of Bison bnb don't work on him or Balrog.
I'll begrudgingly give you that if I can flash kick you out of the skyDictator
1. Fix Pyscho Crusher, its broken as is. Needs faster start up, travel faster, light version should be safe, medium and hard should pass through opponent on block if done close but still be quite unsafe. Probably needs a damage and dizzy buff to make it worth while considering you don't get a great positional advantage and run the risk of cornering yourself.
2. Devils Reverse, change the hitbox of the extension part of the moves so that it crosses up. Also should also have 3 versions, lp version is a short hop, mp travels the same as current, hp goes over opponent to other side. It should also build meter slightly faster than currently.
3. Skull Diver, improved hitbox making it easier to hit opponents and crouching opponents. Side switchable, more dizzy off it.
4. Replace neutral jump medium punch with something useful. One of the worst normals in the game.
5. Slightly improve start up time on c.hp (12 frames is retarded).
6. Slightly faster forward teleport, pretty useless as is, needs 2-3 less recovery frames.
7. Generally speaking his ex.moves are good that you will use them over super. so Super needs to be given a buff to even make it worth consider using it.
8. Ex. Focus attack should crumple opponent for a ultra set up, costs 2 bars of meter and will end scaling the ultra to 50% so it ain't that powerful. I would not mind if Ultra got nerfed slightly in the damage department.
9. Jumping medium kick is an instant overhead.
10. Fake slide.
11. Thailand stage + theme tune+ cape.
Uh... you don't ask for much, do you?
Most charge characters don't pay off with super moves. Something I noticed.0 -
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I would like to see Chuns ultra hit properly when juggling. I hate that stupid bounce out when I slightly misjudge where I am on screen or where my opponent is in the air.
Definitely, I think if everyone's gonna get buffed, giving chun an easy ultra juggle will be more than enough for her.Get rid of that stupid df lk.
Most pointless move in the game. It's so frustrating when you go for a cross under after an air reset, and end up doing a stupid flip when you mess up the distance :mad:Doctor DooM wrote: »Sweep. I don't like ease with which it can be countered. Because it doesn't juggle and it's so easily countered, it's near useless. Perhaps it should juggle like (shock) ex. That would at least make the risk of using it worth it. Reduce the damage of each indiviual kick.
It definitely has it's uses, focus cancel it for a throw mixup, and canceling into ultra if someone focuses the first hit (never actually seen it used, but if you're playing against a focus happy player it might be worth a shot)Doctor DooM wrote: »Most charge characters don't pay off with super moves. Something I noticed.
Chun has the best super in the game imo, ryu's is arguably as good though. Guaranteed chip damage win from half screen is so awesome 0 -
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Im hoping they will give Akuma back his Super fireball, (forgot what its actually called)..
But just thinking it would be so handy to have, and pretty easy to link into such as light Tatsu to super :P Easy does it..
Just having 2 different types of raging demon's is sorta pointless as the super demon is NEVER used! >.< a fireball super would do just fine 0 -
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It definitely has it's uses, focus cancel it for a throw mixup, and canceling into ultra if someone focuses the first hit (never actually seen it used, but if you're playing against a focus happy player it might be worth a shot)
Meanwhile every other character in the cast is using it just to knock people the f%^k down.
This is the thing I keep telling people. It's great that you can, for example, FADC ultra, but if you have to keep your normal game rock solid to exploit the fancy stuff.
The risk/reward ratio (which ultimately, alot of decisions in SF are all about) is currently stacked against Guile on that one.Chun has the best super in the game imo, ryu's is arguably as good though. Guaranteed chip damage win from half screen is so awesome
You're kinda missing the point- Guile's super isn't that bad either.
But using the super deprives you of 4 uses of the ex SBK or ex Boom- these are bread and butter important moves for the two characters.
If a Chun uses a super on me, I'm smiling, because I know she's made herself weak to a boom/ jumpin/ overhead attack.0 -
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FoamyMushroom wrote: »Im hoping they will give Akuma back his Super fireball, (forgot what its actually called)..
But just thinking it would be so handy to have, and pretty easy to link into such as light Tatsu to super :P Easy does it..
Just having 2 different types of raging demon's is sorta pointless as the super demon is NEVER used! >.< a fireball super would do just fine
Messatsu Gouhadou! And you call yourself an Akuma player. Pfft! 0
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